Hmm I see. So the Golden Jackal could just be a mis-id'ed Coyote or Wolf?
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I'd also not inclined to believe that they'd mis-ID with a coyote or wolf. Jackals may not be common im bigger major zoos, but smaller private zoos have access to crazy things...
Black-backed Jackals are somewhat common in the private trade but AFAIK there are no Golden Jackals.
That's what I also figured which was why I was initially confused. If by the minuscule chance they have or had a golden jackal, I'd just go by the fact that that's almost mind-boggling.
This argument again 
I know they have a jackal. I am not certain if it's a golden or not, as I've never come across a photo of it (or photos of most of their animals, really). They've definitely had black-backed in the past, which were listed separately. I don't know if this is one of them or not. I'm not about to pay an entry fee to find out, and I'd hope no one else here would, either. Whatever it is, the animal is fairly old.
I don't consider 8 places common.
I know they have a jackal. I am not certain if it's a golden or not, as I've never come across a photo of it (or photos of most of their animals, really). They've definitely had black-backed in the past, which were listed separately. I don't know if this is one of them or not. I'm not about to pay an entry fee to find out, and I'd hope no one else here would, either. Whatever it is, the animal is fairly old.
I don't consider 8 places common.
Given the average of less than 2 veterinary calls a year, I have a strong suspicion about how that "high turnover" occurs...
Black-backed Jackal might not be too common in PUBLIC collections, but it is decently common in private collections.This argument again
I know they have a jackal. I am not certain if it's a golden or not, as I've never come across a photo of it (or photos of most of their animals, really). They've definitely had black-backed in the past, which were listed separately. I don't know if this is one of them or not. I'm not about to pay an entry fee to find out, and I'd hope no one else here would, either. Whatever it is, the animal is fairly old.
I don't consider 8 places common.
If we know that GW has kept Black-backed Jackal and the USDA report says Golden Jackal (which we have noted is extremely unlikely) than I think it is reasonable to assume that this is referring to a Black-backed Jackal. I honestly do not understand why you trust these reports so much even though they have have been proven wrong time and time again.
No, it isn't. 8 places have black-backed jackal. None of those are AZA.
I'm not going to keep doing this with you over and over and over.
I said private collections, not private zoos.
I'm really not sure that means anything.
I have yet to receive a good explanation, so please do.
Also want to mention the fact that the “golden jackal” could just happen to be a jackal-dog hybrid that may have been mis-IDed/labelled as a golden jackal?
That zoo has been known to mislabel lots of animals, from a wolfdog listed as a Mexican grey wolf and generic tigers listed as “Indochinese” and all that BS...
That zoo has been known to mislabel lots of animals, from a wolfdog listed as a Mexican grey wolf and generic tigers listed as “Indochinese” and all that BS...
Many Tigers labeled as "Indochinese" in the private trade are actually Malayan, so it might not be generic.
Purebred Malayan tigers in private US trade? Where did you hear of this?
I was told of this at some point, I don't remember when or where. It was on this site somewhere, I'll see what I can find.
I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Virtually every private facility will only have generic tigers, and the only Malayans I'm aware of are kept in accredited zoos, and I also highly doubt that any would give animals to a notoriously shady place like GW. Please correct me though if I'm wrong.
I really don't understand how your burden of truth works. You went from asserting that government reports were completely unreliable and not real evidence, to making a declarative statement whose source you can't even remember.
I also second @Azamat Shackleford in that I have never heard this and am highly skeptical that a zoo like this one would be capable of acquiring purebred Malayan tigers - legally, anyway.
And your evidence is?
All hybrids I've ever heard of, both in the wild and in captivity, were golden jackal x dog, not black-backed.
According to people who keep a close eye on the zoo, some animals are completely unaccounted for, with no record of them going elsewhere and no official record of them dying - 5 wolfdogs, 3 foxes, a fisher, a taliger, a night monkey, a NA porcupine, an otter, a kinkajou, and a cockatoo.