Mixed species enclosures and other changes for Burgers Zoo

JurassicMax said:
I also just came across this pocked guide to prairie birds, might be usefull to find some prariebirds for a potential aviary.
https://birdconservancy.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ECO_Pocket_Guide_Prairie_Birds_2018-lores.pdf
But most of these birds aren't in any European zoos according to zootierliste.
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Well, they do have greater prairie chickens in spain so that's good enough for me

Here's the new Safari plan: Safari.png

I'll see if I can translate the specific species list
 

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Westcoastperson said:
Hey Mr Gharial when you put together your presentation your gonna want to have a good amount of detail. Here is my local zoos OFFICIAL plan for their master plan. Keep in mind that this was released by the zoo so yours doesn't need to be as detailed but still needs a similar layout and some of the same details. http://www.visionplan.lazoo.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/LA_Zoo_Vision_Plan.pdf
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I'm probably not making it that long but I will make detailed sketches and I did my research on multi-species enclosures and difficulties with certain animals. Minor details like the underground seperation system for the chamois and the alpine marmots. But also walkthrough enclosures and how safe they are, winter options for outside animals, etc
 
Mr Gharial said:
Well, they do have greater prairie chickens in spain so that's good enough for me

Here's the new Safari plan: View attachment 458119

I'll see if I can translate the specific species list
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I like this plan! You also want to build a multipurpose building for reptiles etc, right? Do you want any smaller reptile species or only the species that you showed on the map?
 
Mr Gharial said:
Well, they do have greater prairie chickens in spain so that's good enough for me

Here's the new Safari plan: View attachment 458119

I'll see if I can translate the specific species list
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I only see three problems: The nile exhibit seems a little small, is the warthog exhibit walkthrough?, and have you added housing for these animals. Now that being said this exhibit looks great, it isn't one explicit path so you can explore but it isn't very confusing, I enjoy the presence of the Aardwolf that isn't something many if any zoos out in America have, and I like the use of an indoor space to exhibit fish and crocs.
 
Mr Gharial said:
I'm probably not making it that long but I will make detailed sketches and I did my research on multi-species enclosures and difficulties with certain animals. Minor details like the underground seperation system for the chamois and the alpine marmots. But also walkthrough enclosures and how safe they are, winter options for outside animals, etc
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If you need any help with the sketches I can draw up some exhibits, also make sure to include a bit more in the map like if there is a rocky outcropping for the lions of trees for the monkeys
 
Westcoastperson said:
I only see three problems: The nile exhibit seems a little small, is the warthog exhibit walkthrough?, and have you added housing for these animals. Now that being said this exhibit looks great, it isn't one explicit path so you can explore but it isn't very confusing, I enjoy the presence of the Aardwolf that isn't something many if any zoos out in America have, and I like the use of an indoor space to exhibit fish and crocs.
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I presume that all these animals have housing but that Mr Gharial hasn't added it on the map ;)
I was also wondering about the size of the building with the nile crocodiles etc, it's hard to tell the size of them on the map.

Wouldn't it be nice if pymgy hippos came back to Burgers? Maybe they could get a part of the savannah enclosure, right next to the vulture aviary?
 
JurassicMax said:
I presume that all these animals have housing but that Mr Gharial hasn't added it on the map ;)
I was also wondering about the size of the building with the nile crocodiles etc, it's hard to tell the size of them on the map.

Wouldn't it be nice if pygmy hippos came back to Burgers? Maybe they could get a part of the savannah enclosure, right next to the vulture aviary?
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Ya, I figured that was the case that he just hadn't added them to the map yet. If pygmy hippos came back to Burgers I feel they would be better suited for Bush as they are found in tropical regions and safari is themed after a savannah.
 
Mr Gharial said:
I'll see if I can translate the specific species list
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Alright, so all the old animals are still there, the beisa oryx has moved into a more deserty enclosure, together with Somali wild asses and Dromedary camels. There's a shared species enclosure with crested porcupines, yellow spotted rock hyraxes, and striped mongooses (Which might seem like a strange mixture, but it's been done multiple times before). The "wading birds" walkthrough includes Cattle egrets, Greater flamingos, African spoonbills, Hamerkops (?) and Helmeted guineafowl. There's a little bridge going over the common warthog, bat-eared fox and gerenuk enclosure. A small rocky enclosure includes klipspringers and kirks's dikdiks. The vulture aviary will include bearded vultures, marabou storks and white backed vultures.

Single animal enclosures include the lions and cheetahs that were already there, vervet monkeys on two islands with climbing equipment, aardwolves, nile crocodiles along with nile perches and some other larger fishes, spurred tortoises, naked mole rats and somali bush babies
 
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JurassicMax said:
Wouldn't it be nice if pymgy hippos came back to Burgers? Maybe they could get a part of the savannah enclosure, right next to the vulture aviary?
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I always loved the pygmy hippos but they live in central Africa and are tropical animals, Burger's Safari is very specifically based on the east african savannah. I only chose species from that specific region. The nile house (not an official name yet) is meduim sized, if I measure it out on the current map it'll be about the same size as the gorilla viewing house. So it'll be fine for smaller nile crocs, and if they get too big they can be moved to other institutions. (In pierelatte they have a collossal enclosure with over 400 nile crocs in all sorts of different sizes, it's awesome)
 
Here is a map in the style similar to what you should present
BurgersZooSafari(01).jpg This is just how I interpreted the map so I am just giving you the style of how it should look, I'm not actually saying to use the details I have used just make sure there is a detailed map similar to this. So where you want rocks, draw rocks so they can imagine walking through an African Kopje, where there is an aviary draw an aviary so they don't just imagine another exhibit but instead a towering aviary with vultures.
 

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Westcoastperson said:
View attachment 458154 This is just how I interpreted the map so I am just giving you the style of how it should look, I'm not actually saying to use the details I have used just make sure there is a detailed map similar to this.
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I absolutely love this! I was planning on making sketches for the individual enclosures, but I'm definitely going to do this too. I was actually planning to do a lot less trees, as most of eastern Africa is shrubland with, well, shrubs.

The desert enclosure for the oryx and dromedaries will house no trees at all, while a few acacia-like trees will be in the rest of the region, but not as many as you presented.
The porcupine and hyrax enclosure will actually be styled as a cliff in a mountain, with tall rocks surrounding it. Something similar to the old hyrax enclosure in Gaiazoo, or the current bobcat enclosure, except you can fully walk around it.
The warthog enclosure and the wading bird aviary will also be more rocky and dusty, though the warthogs will have thorny bushes on the sides to represent the gerenuk's natural habitat
 
MennoPebesma said:
One question, why don't you let the Helmeted guineafowl stay on the big safari enclosure?
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They usually hide out under the bridge because they're scared of the larger herbivores, I thought an up close and personal experience would be more enjoyable
 
Mr Gharial said:
They usually hide out under the bridge because they're scared of the larger herbivores, I thought an up close and personal experience would be more enjoyable
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Ah oke, then it makes sense.

I don't know how definitive your plans of the Safari part are but maybe you could ad some more bird species in the wading birds aviary. Such as the Eastern grey-crowned crane, Hamerkop and African sacred ibis. Althoug that last one is in the Netherlands on a extinction policy. So you have to keep them in a single-sex group.

Maybe African wild dogs or Hyena's would also be nice for the safari part.

For your general plans for the whole park, are you adding a pinniped species? After the Ringed seals left the park there is no pinniped species anymore.
 
MennoPebesma said:
I don't know how definitive your plans of the Safari part are but maybe you could ad some more bird species in the wading birds aviary. Such as the Eastern grey-crowned crane, Hamerkop and African sacred ibis. Althoug that last one is in the Netherlands on a extinction policy. So you have to keep them in a single-sex group.

Maybe African wild dogs or Hyena's would also be nice for the safari part.

For your general plans for the whole park, are you adding a pinniped species? After the Ringed seals left the park there is no pinniped species anymore.
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If the birds are in Eastern Africa I can add them, but there's no more room for hyena's. I favoured aardwolves over them.

I'm going to make an alternative map for Burger's wad (Based on the national park on the Dutch shoreline) for an alternative to the Arctic region if they can't make that. It will include ringed seals and some other pinnipeds
 
Mr Gharial said:
If the birds are in Eastern Africa I can add them, but there's no more room for hyena's. I favoured aardwolves over them.

I'm going to make an alternative map for Burger's wad (Based on the national park on the Dutch shoreline) for an alternative to the Arctic region if they can't make that. It will include ringed seals and some other pinnipeds
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All the bird species that I mentioned are found in the east of africa. The ibises and hammerheads in the wetlands and the crowned cranes live on the savannas near lakes, ponds and rivers.

I didn't know the aardwolf, nice species!

They have said that creating an Arctic region is practically impossible in the way they would like to have it. Getting ringed seals could be almost impossible. There are not a lot of them in European zoos. For an arctic area could Northern fur seals or Steller sea lions be nice for a pinniped species. For the alternative wadden part, the harbour seal and the grey seal live in the wadden sea. In that part you could also have an aviary for typical wadden sea birds. Such as black-tailed godwits, northern lapwings, pied avocets, eiders etc.
 
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