Mixed species enclosures and other changes for Burgers Zoo

MennoPebesma said:
They have said that creating an Arctic region is practically impossible in the way they would like to have it. Getting ringed seals could be almost impossible. There are not a lot of them in European zoos. For an arctic area could Northern fur seals or Steller sea lions be nice for a pinniped species. For the alternative wadden part, the harbour seal and the grey seal live in the wadden sea. In that part you could also have an aviary for typical wadden sea birds. Such as black-tailed godwits, northern lapwings, pied avocets, eiders etc.
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I'm really keen on the Arctic hall, and I'm going to figure out how to forego these problems. There won't be pinnipeds in the Arctic hall though. For the wadden I'm going to indeed make a seabird aviary, maybe even a few. Eurasian spoonbills and Eurasian oystercatchers are definitely on the list, along with other wadden-birds. The seal feedings will probably attract seagulls so those won't have to be added. The only thing I'm worried about is that apart from spoonbills and seals, there aren't many animals in the wadden that can be easily incorperated. For now I'm still rolling with the Arctic, and I'll keep the wadden as a plan B
 
Wait a second, wasn't one of the problems with the arctic that it was too open and difficult to recreate? The wadden are even flatter and open, so that would still have a similar problem
 
Mr Gharial said:
Wait a second, wasn't one of the problems with the arctic that it was too open and difficult to recreate? The wadden are even flatter and open, so that would still have a similar problem
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Yes it was, along with the natural lighting. A lot of other zoos already have a sort of wadden area which look good, so I don't see the problem why a wadden (or artic area) area can't be made in Burgers.
 
Mr Gharial said:
I'm really keen on the Arctic hall, and I'm going to figure out how to forego these problems. There won't be pinnipeds in the Arctic hall though. For the wadden I'm going to indeed make a seabird aviary, maybe even a few. Eurasian spoonbills and Eurasian oystercatchers are definitely on the list, along with other wadden-birds. The seal feedings will probably attract seagulls so those won't have to be added. The only thing I'm worried about is that apart from spoonbills and seals, there aren't many animals in the wadden that can be easily incorperated. For now I'm still rolling with the Arctic, and I'll keep the wadden as a plan B
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How would you envision an arctic hall? From the species on your map I can see penguin, puffin, wolverine and snowy owl, would these all be inside of the hall?
Will there be actual ice and snow, or do you plan on something like the penguin enclosure in the Oceanium in Diergaarde Blijdorp?
 
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Lemur02 said:
How would you envision an arctic hall? From the species on your map I can see penguin, puffin, wolverine and snowy owl, would these all be inside of the hall?
Will there be actual ice and snow, or do you plan on something like the penguin enclosure in the Oceanium in Diergaarde Blijdorp?
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It will be similar to Blijdorp indeed, around 10 degrees. Ice shavings will be dropped every now and then (Maybe once every week) so it differs. I posted a map with all the species earlier on, but you'll have to look around for that.
The hall will be devided into Arctic and Antarctic. So there's a basalt pillar region for the puffins, a pale rock coast for penguins, and an arctic forest for the owls, foxes, hares and wolverine. There's also an ice cave with fish, jellyfish and crustaceans, along with underwater viewing for the penguins and puffins
 
Mr Gharial said:
Wait a second, wasn't one of the problems with the arctic that it was too open and difficult to recreate? The wadden are even flatter and open, so that would still have a similar problem
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Yes, but a wadden section can be made outside. Some animals of the arctic have to be held at a lower temperature and have to be held inside.

A couple of months ago Burgers' Zoo made a video about why they don't have an arctic part. It's in Dutch but i believe you are Dutch as well.
 
MennoPebesma said:
Yes, but a wadden section can be made outside. Some animals of the arctic have to be held at a lower temperature and have to be held inside.

A couple of months ago Burgers' Zoo made a video about why they don't have an arctic part. It's in Dutch but i believe you are Dutch as well.
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Yes, I've seen it (And yes, I am Dutch), I've already had this discussion before. I'll figure out a way to best isolate the temperature and I already have a plan to fix the lighting. They say that the Arctic area is wide and open and that would be hard to replicate, but that's why I chose for Basalt pillars and Arctic forest. Only the penguin enclosure will have a more flat open style with an ice wall at the back
 
Mr Gharial said:
Yes, I've seen it (And yes, I am Dutch), I've already had this discussion before. I'll figure out a way to best isolate the temperature and I already have a plan to fix the lighting. They say that the Arctic area is wide and open and that would be hard to replicate, but that's why I chose for Basalt pillars and Arctic forest. Only the penguin enclosure will have a more flat open style with an ice wall at the back
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About your ideas about the Safari part. Are you drasticly reducingvthe size of the cheetah and lion enclosures ? There size was one of its biggest strengths ?
 
JurassicMax said:
They could get 'their' ringed seal back from Ecomare, but that still leaves you with one individual and moving them around from zoo to zoo isn't that practical.
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Don't know if it's true but according to zootierliste Burgers' Zoo had two different species and because of that also hybrid animals.
 
Mr Gharial said:
It will be similar to Blijdorp indeed, around 10 degrees. Ice shavings will be dropped every now and then (Maybe once every week) so it differs. I posted a map with all the species earlier on, but you'll have to look around for that.
The hall will be devided into Arctic and Antarctic. So there's a basalt pillar region for the puffins, a pale rock coast for penguins, and an arctic forest for the owls, foxes, hares and wolverine. There's also an ice cave with fish, jellyfish and crustaceans, along with underwater viewing for the penguins and puffins
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For your penguin exhibit, the most diverse penguin exhibit here in America is at Seaworld San Diego. They also have some of the best breeding records in the country I believe. They make such a realistic enclosure by having a machine that builds a glacier that they shave down and then use hoses to blow out into the exhibit. With the puffins that bassalt pillar idea is really cool but don't forget they need brooding boxes so you will need to put holes in the walls of the exhibit.For your overall antarctic exhbit I would look at what Sea World Orlando has done with their Wid Artic exhibit and the Penguin Conservation Center at the Detroit Zoo. To prevent light Both are indoors and only use a few windows to bring light into the space. They have arced ceilings to keep the bottom of the exhibits cooler. Also, just the style of these exhibits rock work seem similar to what you want.
 
GiratinaIsGod said:
About your ideas about the Safari part. Are you drasticly reducingvthe size of the cheetah and lion enclosures ? There size was one of its biggest strengths ?
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No, I'm sizing up the whole safari region, the enclosures do get a little smaller, but they are rockier and have more height differences
 
Mr Gharial said:
No, I'm sizing up the whole safari region, the enclosures do get a little smaller, but they are rockier and have more height differences
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Ok so would how would you redo them? would you give it a more arid feel. For the lion enclosure would you make it less of a forest and more of a Kopje
 
Westcoastperson said:
For your penguin exhibit, the most diverse penguin exhibit here in America is at Seaworld San Diego. They also have some of the best breeding records in the country I believe. They make such a realistic enclosure by having a machine that builds a glacier that they shave down and then use hoses to blow out into the exhibit. With the puffins that bassalt pillar idea is really cool but don't forget they need brooding boxes so you will need to put holes in the walls of the exhibit.For your overall antarctic exhbit I would look at what Sea World Orlando has done with their Wid Artic exhibit and the Penguin Conservation Center at the Detroit Zoo. To prevent light Both are indoors and only use a few windows to bring light into the space. They have arced ceilings to keep the bottom of the exhibits cooler. Also, just the style of these exhibits rock work seem similar to what you want.
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The seaworld san diego penguin enclosure looks awesome, and similar to what I'm planning. I'm not sure if i can include a glacier builder as I'm assuming that takes up quite some energy. But spewing out ice shavings is also part of the plan.
The puffins will have a small grass area with holes and tunnels to brooding boxes.
 
Westcoastperson said:
Ok so would how would you redo them? would you give it a more arid feel. For the lion enclosure would you make it less of a forest and more of a Kopje
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Definitely, I hate the current lion and cheetah enclosure. It will all be arid rocky plains that looks like actual east africa
 
Mr Gharial said:
Definitely, I hate the current lion and cheetah enclosure. It will all be arid rocky plains that looks like actual east africa
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Good when I first saw those exhibits I was confused by how they were just forest I would keep the forest background for some of the exhibits to keep a defined perimeter.
 
Mr Gharial said:
I think I'll create mud walls and rocks with bushes behind it, the scots pines there will blend in with the acacia bushes
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I realy disagree with you here. The lions and espicially the cheetahs would lose more than they would gain in living conditions. And big living trees are way to valuble to be removed in a Zoo. With most zoos not even dreaming of that privilage.
 
Mr Gharial said:
The seaworld san diego penguin enclosure looks awesome, and similar to what I'm planning. I'm not sure if i can include a glacier builder as I'm assuming that takes up quite some energy.
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You could chose to install solar panels on the roof to supply the needed energy as well as a green roof (more environmentally friendly), but this is only achievable when no skylights are used.
 
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