Mixed species enclosures and other changes for Burgers Zoo

[QUOTE="Westcoastperson, post: 1244195, member: 16625"Park: might I suggest instead of a park, a children's zoo? They are very popular in US zoos but I haven't seen them as much in Europe. They highlight extremely immersive exhibits snd animals children know well. For example a meerkat exhibit with tunnels to go eye to eye with the meerkats. Also we need to talk about the elephant in the room (I crack myself up) but seriously the Elephant exhibit do you know for sure that they will put in the effort to get new elphants and are you gonna work on it at all.[/QUOTE]

Well, I guess I'll ask about the elephants because everyone keeps bringing it up. They act as the old folks home for elephants in Europe, they get all the Asian elephants that have grown too old and have been left behind by their herd in other zoos.

As for the childrens zoo, I don't think it's a good idea. the park region has always been a part of burgers zoo and features some animals that couldn't be missed. They have a meerkat enclosure, though I'm not sure if they still have the dome.
 
Westcoastperson said:
Islands: If elephants don't come back to Burgers then they should be replaced with the other islands exhibit so that the two can be one large exhibit instead of two.
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That could be a possibility, but I want to keep the tortoises seperated. And if you have two tortoise walkthrough enclosures right next to each other it would seem weird. I had to fill up the weird, empty space next to the manrove, that was always the plan for islands
 
Westcoastperson said:
Artic: okay the only problem here is the name. The artic is in the North and does include puffins foxes and owls but as you know penguins are southern so I would rename it to like the poles or something like that.
Desert: So the animals you have picked you wouldn't really find in the classic sandy cactus filed desert, that being said make sure you let people know that so add a good amount of small grasses and shrubs to really make it a prairie. For that one space, there are a few options: Mexican Wolf, Armadillo, Fisher (if European zoos have them), Coyote, rabbit species, squirrel species, and if it is really bugging you then the coati from park would work.
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This is true, but I prefer Burger's Arctic over Burger's Poles. As it isn't actually the north pole per se. The wolverine, snowy owl, great grey owl and Arctic fox are all animals that live more in the taiga than the real pole

As for the desert, I was already planning on making it a plains region. As a real sandy, cactusy desert would be near impossible to upkeep outdoors
 
Mr Gharial said:
[QUOTE="Westcoastperson, post: 1244195, member: 16625"Park: might I suggest instead of a park, a children's zoo? They are very popular in US zoos but I haven't seen them as much in Europe. They highlight extremely immersive exhibits snd animals children know well. For example a meerkat exhibit with tunnels to go eye to eye with the meerkats. Also we need to talk about the elephant in the room (I crack myself up) but seriously the Elephant exhibit do you know for sure that they will put in the effort to get new elphants and are you gonna work on it at all.
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Well, I guess I'll ask about the elephants because everyone keeps bringing it up. They act as the old folks home for elephants in Europe, they get all the Asian elephants that have grown too old and have been left behind by their herd in other zoos.

As for the childrens zoo, I don't think it's a good idea. the park region has always been a part of burgers zoo and features some animals that couldn't be missed. They have a meerkat enclosure, though I'm not sure if they still have the dome.[/QUOTE]
I heard about that system for the elephants some comments made it sound like the system was getting discontinued
I meant to just add some exhibits near the playground not to take away other animals from the park, also the meerkat was just an example.
 
Mr Gharial said:
That could be a possibility, but I want to keep the tortoises seperated. And if you have two tortoise walkthrough enclosures right next to each other it would seem weird. I had to fill up the weird, empty space next to the manrove, that was always the plan for islands
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That makes sense it just feels weird on the map because it separates the aviary from the rest of the park area
 
Mr Gharial said:
This is true, but I prefer Burger's Arctic over Burger's Poles. As it isn't actually the north pole per se. The wolverine, snowy owl, great grey owl and Arctic fox are all animals that live more in the taiga than the real pole

As for the desert, I was already planning on making it a plains region. As a real sandy, cactusy desert would be near impossible to upkeep outdoors
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Then maybe something like Burgers Snow or Burgers ice in a way that is similar to bush, it is many animals who live in jungles but don't live in the same areas
Ya that's good cacti probably wouldn't fare well in the cold of the Netherlands so a brushy plains should be good, also forget I said Mexican wolf and armadillo as those would bot fare well in the cold, but the rest should do great.
 
Westcoastperson said:
Outback: I just wanted to know what you would be doing
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Right! We didn't really talk about this yet. Well, you enter into an outside grassy area, with free-roaming swamp wallabies, red kangaroos and emus. On the side where you enter there's the outside area for the cassowaries, you enter the outback hall in a seperate greenhouse, the tropical region. The inside enclosure for the cassowaries is here along with free-roaming cuscus's, brush turkeys and sugar gliders. The black swan that shared an enclosure with the wallabies is moved into the forest section. The quoll is right on the transition of tropical rainforest to humid forest. Finally in the back there's a cave with a darker forest enclosure for wombats and koalas.
After that, you go through a door to the arid section. The inside area for the kangaroos, emus and wallabies and the walkthrough bird aviary (With kookaburras and other australian birds that they have in the current voliére at the back of the park) are in the real outback region of red sand and grass. You move on to the more desert-y left side of the hall. There's a dingo enclosure that slowly goes up the ramp to the side and a small ravine with perenties at the bottom (Perentie pit). The cave system takes you through australian reptiles and aborigine rock paintings and murals. Echidnas share the enclosure with blue tongued skinks and shinglebacks, and bearded and frilled dragons are also together later on. There's a dip that will take you to a better viewing point to the perenties, and in the back there's a show on the rainbow serpent every ten minutes, where she tells about australia, probably (haven't figured out the full show yet)
Other reptiles include the lace monitor, Australian brown snake, common death adder and the spiny-tailed monitor. Along with some scorpions and spiders. Alternative to the caves there's also a walkway above the caves where you can just enjoy the scenery and see the dingo's from the other side (though this path isn't on the map, the path on the far left side is just a representation of the caves.
After you exit the hall you'll find the new zealand house, wich houses North island kiwi's, tuataras, and two species of gecko. Along with a small aviary with kakas and kea's

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Wow that is quite detailed thank you. I would suggest checking out the Australian exhibits at the Living Desert and Cinncinati zoo both show how to do a proper kangaroo walkthrough. Now my worry is with the emus and that is don't emmus attack people. They have terrifyingly sharp claws, are like living dinosoars, and have had documented cases of attacking people. So besides the walk through killer bird exhibit (I'm Joking) this area is really cool
 
Mr Gharial said:
I'll put it on the list

I'm finalising the Desert expantion, I currently have the Black tailed prairie dog, Prairie chicken, Wild turkey, Common raccoon, Striped skunk and Virginia opossum. Which of these can go in a walkthrough, and which ones can go together. Striped skunk might be bad for a walkthrough because of spraying risk. But can the rest go together AND in a walkthrough?

All animals do occur in the desert and great plains, I think there's space for two enclosures. One walkthrough and one non-walkthrough
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None of this animals would work in a walk trough (Prairie dogs/praire chicken would only work in a hall, similar hall to Burgers Desert) and from you africa hall Marabu storks and goliath herons shoudn't be keept in walktrough exhibits either, because of their aggrasivness
 
JurassicMax said:
Would a coyote enclosure be possible for the room that you have left in the Prairie area?
I think Westcoastpersons idea is actually achievable.
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Why would you waste space with a species like Coyotes. Zoos should focous on endangered species over all other kind of animal
 
Westcoastperson said:
Wow that is quite detailed thank you. I would suggest checking out the Australian exhibits at the Living Desert and Cinncinati zoo both show how to do a proper kangaroo walkthrough. Now my worry is with the emus and that is don't emmus attack people. They have terrifyingly sharp claws, are like living dinosoars, and have had documented cases of attacking people. So besides the walk through killer bird exhibit (I'm Joking) this area is really cool
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Emus can be keept "semi-walktrough" like my local zoo (Naturzoo Rheine) were they have a seperate enclosure, right next to the path (they are still dicks, tough). Which can be accest by the wallebies, but not left by the Emus
 
Mr Gharial said:
Right! We didn't really talk about this yet. Well, you enter into an outside grassy area, with free-roaming swamp wallabies, red kangaroos and emus. On the side where you enter there's the outside area for the cassowaries, you enter the outback hall in a seperate greenhouse, the tropical region. The inside enclosure for the cassowaries is here along with free-roaming cuscus's, brush turkeys and sugar gliders. The black swan that shared an enclosure with the wallabies is moved into the forest section. The quoll is right on the transition of tropical rainforest to humid forest. Finally in the back there's a cave with a darker forest enclosure for wombats and koalas.
After that, you go through a door to the arid section. The inside area for the kangaroos, emus and wallabies and the walkthrough bird aviary (With kookaburras and other australian birds that they have in the current voliére at the back of the park) are in the real outback region of red sand and grass. You move on to the more desert-y left side of the hall. There's a dingo enclosure that slowly goes up the ramp to the side and a small ravine with perenties at the bottom (Perentie pit). The cave system takes you through australian reptiles and aborigine rock paintings and murals. Echidnas share the enclosure with blue tongued skinks and shinglebacks, and bearded and frilled dragons are also together later on. There's a dip that will take you to a better viewing point to the perenties, and in the back there's a show on the rainbow serpent every ten minutes, where she tells about australia, probably (haven't figured out the full show yet)
Other reptiles include the lace monitor, Australian brown snake, common death adder and the spiny-tailed monitor. Along with some scorpions and spiders. Alternative to the caves there's also a walkway above the caves where you can just enjoy the scenery and see the dingo's from the other side (though this path isn't on the map, the path on the far left side is just a representation of the caves.
After you exit the hall you'll find the new zealand house, wich houses North island kiwi's, tuataras, and two species of gecko. Along with a small aviary with kakas and kea's

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Nice!! I agree with Westcoastperson about the Emus. I know that a Dutch zoo keeps them in a walkthrough, ZooParc Overloon, but they do have a very large enclosure. If they are in a smaller enclosure they are ofcourse closer to the guests and could attack them.

You maybe could add the Emus to the Black swan enclosure. They get along fine.

GiratinaIsGod said:
None of this animals would work in a walk trough (Prairie dogs/praire chicken would only work in a hall, similar hall to Burgers Desert) and from you africa hall Marabu storks and goliath herons shoudn't be keept in walktrough exhibits either, because of their aggrasivness
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Prairie chickens i don't kwow about but in the Dutch zoo Wildlands they have the Prairie dogs in a walkthrough enclosure outside. Several dutch zoos also keep the Marabu storks (Rotterdam zoo & Dierenpark Amersfoort) and the Goliath herons (Dierenrijk) in a walkthough aviary. So it is possible.
 
I have a few more questions about some mixed exhibits. I'm doing a 'Freshwaters of the World' exhibit for my aquarium concept and I would like to add some semi-aquatic mammals to some of the exhibits. Would american beavers work with largemouth bass, white crappie, black crappie and american paddlefish? What native Japanese fish would work with asian small-clawed otters? And would capybara with red-bellied piranhas work? I know the Osaka Aquarium cohabs piranhas and capybaras, but idk if that's a good idea.
 
the racoon has spoken said:
Do asian small-clawed otters even live in Japan, also I don't think you could mix really any fish with otters without having the otters eat/predate upon the fish.
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They aren't from Japan? I assumed they were, as the Osaka Aquarium keeps them in their Japan forest exhibit.

Edit: I looked it up, no they aren't found in Japan, will have to move them out of the Japan River tank.
 
MennoPebesma said:
Prairie chickens i don't kwow about but in the Dutch zoo Wildlands they have the Prairie dogs in a walkthrough enclosure outside. Several dutch zoos also keep the Marabu storks (Rotterdam zoo & Dierenpark Amersfoort) and the Goliath herons (Dierenrijk) in a walkthough aviary. So it is possible.
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Indeed most zoos keep prairie dogs outdoor, it works fine.
 
DaLilFishie said:
They aren't from Japan? I assumed they were, as the Osaka Aquarium keeps them in their Japan forest exhibit.

Edit: I looked it up, no they aren't found in Japan, will have to move them out of the Japan River tank.
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The japanese river otter is sadly extinct
 
GiratinaIsGod said:
Why would you waste space with a species like Coyotes. Zoos should focous on endangered species over all other kind of animal
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True, but showing non-endangered animals to the public would also raise more awareness for less endangered wildlife. According to zootierliste there is only one zoo in Europe with coyotes, they could be considered a rarity in European zoos and therefore interesting to show to visitors.
 
JurassicMax said:
True, but showing non-endangered animals to the public would also raise more awareness for less endangered wildlife. According to zootierliste there is only one zoo in Europe with coyotes, they could be considered a rarity in European zoos and therefore interesting to show to visitors.
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In my opinion there are animals that shoud not keept in zoos. Koyotees are good examples. Not endangered (even invasive in parts of North America), no breeding population. Would leech recources needed for other animals. And unlike what you claim. Not even that intersting to the public (just a smal wolf/wild dog). Espically the prestigous
Koninklijke Burgers Zoo would and shoud never do in, when other species could be used to fill this space. (The space would anyways be to smal)
 
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