British Isles Cup Redux - League B - Jersey vs Colchester

Jersey vs Colchester - HOOFSTOCK

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TeaLovingDave

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Our first match where two singleton collections face off against one another, and the category at hand is HOOFSTOCK.

Which collection is better, and on what grounds? You decide, folks :)
 
Not sure on either again.... I am going to assume Colchester will snag this one though mostly for size reasons.
 
Coelacanth18 said:
What hoofstock does Jersey even have? I recall that their collection has very few large mammals, and the only ones I can think of are bears and apes.
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I think the only hoofstock that they have currently are Visayan warty pigs.

Over the past couple of decades they seem to have had red river hog, Przewalski's wild horse, Brazilian tapir and barbirusa at various times.

I imagine that they had many more of the smaller ungulates during the 60's and 70's when Durrell first began with species like duiker and peccary etc.

However, I don't think they have ever really been a hoofstock type zoo and as you point out they don't really focus on the large mammals beyond the spectacled bears and great apes (which is much to their advantage and credit in my opinion).
 
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Anyone fancy making a case for Jersey being worth a point or two? :)

It's worth recalling that - as I said in the introductory post - things like historical holdings, conservation work and so forth are all fair game.
 
TeaLovingDave said:
In which case, can you explain how these factors earn them a clean sweep where hoofstock are concerned? Explaining your reasoning might well sway others, if your vote is indeed valid......
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I don't think my vote is valid tbh by these metrics in the strict sense where hoofstock kept exclusively on site at the zoo is concerned. This because of the comment I gave earlier about Jersey's history of lack of hoofstock.

I simply voted for Jersey because there needed to be a counterbalance with all the votes for Colchester and admittedly because of my own bias in favour of them because of their conservation work and commitment.

In that sense Colchester will always win hands down as they have duiker, Phillipine spotted deer, dik-diks, giraffe, rhino, warthog,zebra, pygmy hippo, elephant and Visayan warty pigs (also kept at Jersey).

But if we are also taking into account the metric of conservation then Jersey's longstanding in-situ and ex-situ conservation work with the pygmy hog in India might add something quite significant / substantial in their favour. The Durrell trust are afterall the only holders of the species in captivity, breed them very successfully, have pioneered field studies of these animals in the wild and do reintroduce them etc.

At least in my opinion that is worth a point or two as from what I am aware of Colchester only contributes funding indirectly to in-situ conservation work with hoofstock. I guess Colchester has the quantity but it may be argued that Jersey with the pygmy hog may have the quality.
 
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Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
I simply voted for Jersey because there needed to be a counterbalance with all the votes for Colchester and admittedly because of my own bias in favour of them because of their conservation work and commitment.
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Yeah, tactical voting to "balance out" a one-sided match isn't allowed :p the other things you remark on beyond this point (about the pygmy hog programme) are however valid.

So the question is - going purely on the basis of the pygmy hog programme do you believe Jersey deserves a clean sweep in this vote?
 
TeaLovingDave said:
Yeah, tactical voting to "balance out" a one-sided match isn't allowed :p the other things you remark on beyond this point (about the pygmy hog programme) are however valid.

So the question is - going purely on the basis of the pygmy hog programme do you believe Jersey deserves a clean sweep in this vote?
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Hahaha :p

Well in that case then I think I'll definitely have to go for it based on the pygmy hog programme because it is pretty impressive what they doing out there in India.
 
ZooBinh said:
Interesting, personally I'd use that and give them a 2/1. It's some great work they're doing, but compared to what Colchester has it's just not as strong ;)
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But what Colchester has in what sense ? I mean in their hoofstock on site or their contributions to conservation in-situ efforts ?

Because I think if we go by the conservation metric just what Jersey has managed to achieve with the pygmy hog (In-situ and ex-situ but within species range) is more impressive then all the money that Colchester and most other zoos have poured into contributing to funding protected areas in Africa for rhino and elephant and what not.

Jersey has done something entirely different in my opinion and I feel this is more noteworthy but I know I am rather biased towards favouring them.
 
Bovids are prohibited imports to Jersey (the island) to protect the Jersey cow herd. That leaves Jersey Zoo with what? Hardly a fair match.
 
MRJ said:
Bovids are prohibited imports to Jersey to protect the Jersey cow herd. That leaves Jersey with what? Hardly a fair match.
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Yes, I have to agree, it is a bit weighed against Jersey.

But I don't think Jersey would have ever really gone for many ungulates or hoofstock in general due to size constraints and also Durrell's philosophy.
 
MRJ said:
Bovids are prohibited imports to Jersey (the island) to protect the Jersey cow herd. That leaves Jersey Zoo with what? Hardly a fair match.
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All matches and categories were determined randomly, so they literally couldn't be fairer. Trust me when I say there's matches coming where the shoe is probably going to be on the other foot for both collections ;)
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
But what Colchester has in what sense ? I mean in their hoofstock on site or their contributions to conservation in-situ efforts ?

Because I think if we go by the conservation metric just what Jersey has managed to achieve with the pygmy hog (In-situ and ex-situ but within species range) is more impressive then all the money that Colchester and most other zoos have poured into contributing to funding protected areas in Africa for rhino and elephant and what not.

Jersey has done something entirely different in my opinion and I feel this is more noteworthy but I know I am rather biased towards favouring them.
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While this is a fair match...the odds here are weighed against Jersey. Colchester offers more in terms of species, and with that would probably have them more conservation programs, no matter what those species are. While I personally (with what I know) have a bias towards Jersey, bias has no place in this cup, and should be kept out. Ungulates is just, unfortunately, a weak spot for Jersey. Though as you brought up, the Pygmy Hog program is noteworthy enough for me to fork over a point for Jersey.
 
ZooBinh said:
While this is a fair match...the odds here are weighed against Jersey. Colchester offers more in terms of species, and with that would probably have them more conservation programs, no matter what those species are. While I personally (with what I know) have a bias towards Jersey, bias has no place in this cup, and should be kept out. Ungulates is just, unfortunately, a weak spot for Jersey. Though as you brought up, the Pygmy Hog program is noteworthy enough for me to fork over a point for Jersey.
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Yes, probably right in the diversity of species kept department, but I do tend to prefer quality over quantity and admittedly I'm biased. I guess that even if Colchester had over 50 species of ungulate they would still be nowhere near Jersey in my estimations.

That said, I think I'll change my vote if possible and go with a 2/1 as it does seem that this would be the most realistic option.
 
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