Which rhino species should be prioritized in conservation ? (poll)

Which rhino species / subspecies should be prioritized in conservation ?

  • White rhino (Northern subsp)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Javan rhino

    Votes: 11 20.0%

  • Black rhino

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • Sumatran rhino

    Votes: 43 78.2%
  • Total voters
    55
  • Poll closed .
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
If I remember rightly there are some bureaucratic issues with the translocation of Javan rhinos outside of Ujong Kulon National Park.

I don't know much about the issue of the Volcanic activity within that particular National Park but I know that there were worries about tsnumanis at some point.

I do think translocation of animals to other National parks would be a good management strategy in the long-term though.
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Yeah, I agree. That would be a pretty logical solution. Its a shame there are some issues, but more insight into natural disaster predictions on the island would be needed.
 
CheeseChameleon2007 said:
Yeah, I agree. That would be a pretty logical solution. Its a shame there are some issues, but more insight into natural disaster predictions on the island would be needed.
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I think these stochastic events are very unpredictable anyway.

If it is volcanic activity then there is more of a chance of knowing in advance when an eruption could occur but tsunamis as we know can come out of nowhere and leave a trail of devastation behind them.
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
I don't know much about the issue of the Volcanic activity within that particular National Park but I know that there were worries about tsunamis at some point.
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Krakatoa is 30 miles offshore from Ujong Kulon; when the famous eruption occurred the entire peninsula on which the national park is located was scoured clean of life by the blast itself, the tsunamis that followed and the ensuing fall of ash. Another big one literally *could* wipe the Javan Rhinoceros out within a single hour or two.
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
I think these stochastic events are very unpredictable anyway.

If it is volcanic activity then there is more of a chance of knowing in advance when an eruption could occur but tsunamis as we know can come out of nowhere and leave a trail of devastation behind them.
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Yes, I wasn't sure if these Natural disasters were predictable or not, so I didn't say anything as I didn't want to get my facts wrong. So do you think it would be the smartest move to reinstate the rhinos somewhere else?
 
TeaLovingDave said:
Krakatoa is 30 miles offshore from Ujong Kulon; when the famous eruption occurred the entire peninsula on which the national park is located was scoured clean of life by the blast itself, the tsunamis that followed and the ensuing fall of ash. Another big one literally *could* wipe the Javan Rhinoceros out within a single hour or two.
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I know about Krakatoa and roughly that the park is in the same region of the site of the famous eruption but I didn't know that it was still active in volcanic activity.
 
CheeseChameleon2007 said:
Yes, I wasn't sure if these Natural disasters were predictable or not, so I didn't say anything as I didn't want to get my facts wrong. So do you think it would be the smartest move to reinstate the rhinos somewhere else?
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I think it would be a smart idea to translocate some of the rhinos elsewhere to another protected area, yes, but this is Indonesia afterall.

If the levels of bureaucratic intransigence and infighting present in the effort to conserve the Sumatran rhino are anything to go by (I mean specifically within Indonesia and not the issue between that country and Malaysia) then I don't think that this bodes well for the Javan rhino and translocation efforts either.
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
I think it would be a smart idea to translocate some of the rhinos elsewhere to another protected area, yes, but this is Indonesia afterall.

If the levels of bureaucratic intransigence and infighting present in the effort to conserve the Sumatran rhino are anything to go by (I mean specifically within Indonesia and not the issue between that country and Malaysia) then I don't think that this bodes well for the Javan rhino and translocation efforts either.
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Thats a shame, because saving the Javan rhino (or sumatran rhino) would be a pretty cool success story in the future! :p (If it were to come true).
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
I know about Krakatoa and roughly that the park is in the same region of the site of the famous eruption but I didn't know that it was still active in volcanic activity.
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Last mid-size eruption was Dec 2018 (but thankfully the resulting tsunami was not too damaging to the park) and last eruption of any sort was April 2020.
 
TeaLovingDave said:
Last mid-size eruption was Dec 2018 (but thankfully the resulting tsunami was not too damaging to the park) and last eruption of any sort was April 2020.
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Found this article (that I sort of half remember having read) about the 2018 tsunami. I think that even if the rhinos have not yet been impacted by any serious stochastic event it would definitely make sense as you've mentioned to translocate animals to other protected areas.

Deadly tsunami leaves Javan rhinos untouched, but peril persists
 
Rayane said:
While Sumatran is the obvious priority, the stable Javan rhino population is confined to one national park, in an area subject to storms. Splitting the populations in at least 2 different places could be a good back up in case of unfortunate events.
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Thankyou for your comment @Rayane !

Yes, I definitely agree with you, but the difficulty in achieving that will invariably be the human element and bureaucracy.
 
CheeseChameleon2007 said:
Thats a shame, because saving the Javan rhino (or sumatran rhino) would be a pretty cool success story in the future! :p (If it were to come true).
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Yes, but sadly (most) governments do not think in such terms regarding conservation issues.

If the Indonesian government thought that way then the Sumatran rhino would not be in the dire straits that it current is and would have been effectively conserved at least three decades ago.
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
The crisis facing rhinos worldwide is often in the forefront of environmental news and global conservation efforts at the moment. Three of the five extant species of rhino are critically endangered and the Northern white rhino subspecies stands on the precipice of extinction.

However, if we look at the ongoing efforts in rhino conservation globally we see drastically different situations unfolding on the ground across their respective ranges and similar differences in funding and levels of success.

Which of these three critically endangered rhino species and a subspecies that is now extinct in the wild should be prioritized by conservation efforts in your opinion and why ?

Please also feel free to write comments regarding the rationale behind why you made the choice.
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The nothern subspecies is lost, the black and even the javen rhino are somewhat stable (with the black rhino having even a big captive population). While the sumatran rhino has the least stable population with little protection
 
GiratinaIsGod said:
The nothern subspecies is lost, the black and even the javen rhino are somewhat stable (with the black rhino having even a big captive population). While the sumatran rhino has the least stable population with little protection
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Thank you for your vote and reply @GiratinaIsGod !

So from what you've written regarding the rhino species / subspecies I assume that you voted for the Sumatran rhino in this poll ?
 
Onychorhynchus coronatus said:
I think it would be a smart idea to translocate some of the rhinos elsewhere to another protected area, yes, but this is Indonesia afterall.

If the levels of bureaucratic intransigence and infighting present in the effort to conserve the Sumatran rhino are anything to go by (I mean specifically within Indonesia and not the issue between that country and Malaysia) then I don't think that this bodes well for the Javan rhino and translocation efforts either.
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The place that could be used for translocation would be Cat Tien National Park in Vietnam. Although there are great risks in the translocation to Vietnam and the protection they would be given at Cat Tien, I believe that with the latest Vietnamese restrictions on wildlife trade, the chances of being poached would somewhat decrease. Also, with the addition of more Rangers and possibly a team just dedicated to the Javan Rhinos at Cat Tien, they could have a second stable population.

Javan Rhinos could be extinct in a flicker because of the natural disasters risks at Ujung Kulon. So, a second population would be essential and wise to have, just to minimize the chances of them going extinct and partially having a backup population.
 
Jungle Man said:
The place that could be used for translocation would be Cat Tien National Park in Vietnam. Although there are great risks in the translocation to Vietnam and the protection they would be given at Cat Tien, I believe that with the latest Vietnamese restrictions on wildlife trade, the chances of being poached would somewhat decrease. Also, with the addition of more Rangers and possibly a team just dedicated to the Javan Rhinos at Cat Tien, they could have a second stable population.

Javan Rhinos could be extinct in a flicker because of the natural disasters risks at Ujung Kulon. So, a second population would be essential and wise to have, just to minimize the chances of them going extinct and partially having a backup population.
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Thank you for those thoughts @Jungle Man that is some smart thinking. :)
 
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