We've only got one left in the US, which I think is the only one outside the native range. Any going to Europe would come from South America.
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We've only got one left in the US, which I think is the only one outside the native range. Any going to Europe would come from South America.
Sausagefingers
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Dam!!!!!
LA zoo is the only zoo to ever have them here, they were never established sadly. We're down to the last elderly female.
American species: California Condor, Pronghorn, Red Wolf, and coyote
European species: Chamois, Barbary Macaque, Alpine Ibex, and European Monk seals
California Condor might eventually make it to Europe, but right now the priority is wild reintroductions. Once the population is better bolstered maybe.
Pronghorn will not reach Europe again I expect, they are actually more sensitive to certain environmental factors than one would expect. They cannot even be kept throughout the United States, best success is seen inside their native range. Humidity is the biggest issue to my understanding.
Red Wolf is more of a California Condor situation I believe.
Coyotes I think there might be an import restriction - they are highly adaptable and potentially invasive. If no bans prevent it they could easily be supplied.
There are a couple Chamois left; I think they just weren't popular. Nor are they endangered versus many other wild goats that are.
Far as Barbary Macaque, macaques don't get much love over here besides Japanese. Just no interest again.
We have Nubian Ibex to focus on, we don't need Alpine.
The monk seal is too rare, and indeed barely kept in Europe. Not a good export candidate and should be left in the wild.
Sausagefingers
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Is there a population of any of the following?
Woolly spider monkey
Woolly monkey (non hybrid)
Douc Langar
Probiscus monkey
I agree California condor would be amazing to see over here.
Woolly spider monkey
Woolly monkey (non hybrid)
Douc Langar
Probiscus monkey
I agree California condor would be amazing to see over here.
Woolly spider monkey -- none to my knowledge.
Woolly monkey (non hybrid) -- only a few left.
Douc Langar -- gone, a couple years now.
Probiscus monkey -- gone, several years so at least.
I meant for California Condor and Red Wolf to be exported once they have more stable populations. I didn't know that's why there are so few pronghorns in northern zoos.
I have to disagree with you on the European species (except for the monk seal, the grey seal would have been better). The point of zoos is to educate the public and show off rare species that aren't very well known. Not many people have heard of chamois, or know there are monkeys in Europe, or know about the incredible climbing ability of the Alpine Ibex. Each is special and new to American visitors which is why they would make great ambassadors for European fauna.
That's very possible, and I said such in my original response.
They range quite far North, but apparently are not tolerant of humidity. Very few zoos outside their native range are successfully keeping them currently. There may be other factors as well.
This point is true, however the current trend from the AZA has been more homogenous than diversity unfortunately. We had Chamois but the zoos weren't interested. They're now almost gone.
The Ibexes we have are Nubian, which are endangered. There's no interest for Alpine.
Perhaps to make my point more clear; a lot of the European species are not of interest to the AZA. Some of them would indeed be nice to showcase, but the zoos aren't interested in getting them. Especially when the focus is on an equivalent species, ie Nubian Ibex and Japanese Macaque.
Coyotes are not on restriction. Parc de Sainte Croix has imported some 2/3 years ago and the animals already bred two times.
While these animals are beautiful what is the interest to held them as they are not endangered and take space for other more endangered species ?
While these animals are beautiful what is the interest to held them as they are not endangered and take space for other more endangered species ?
Most of our Coyotes here are rescue centers and non-AZA for that reason. We don't breed them because they're already everywhere. Large canid spaces are better served for Red Wolf, African Wild Dog, Maned Wolf, and Dhole.
Sausagefingers
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Such a shame. One group of doucs here breeding well but only male off spring so far. Probiscus gone too, but was a male group anyway. Most of our Woolly monkeys are hybrids based off of rescued animals.
Drill from US to Europe? Which zoos then?
BTW: This rest better in a separate thread. And I believe more recently cooperation between TAG's and EAZA vis a vis AZA have become more intense and close.
I agree, @Chlidonias @TeaLovingDave maybe split the discussion off to a new thread to avoid further derailing the news thread?
Sausagefingers
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Columbus zoo definitely (2f) and some references to Atlanta zoo (2f) both references are abit longer ago then I thought around 10/12 years ago.
If someone wants to split this off to a new thread it could be an interesting conversation on how the AZA and EAZA could work togather and have.
Afaik there were also (Red?) Uakaris at least at Miami's Monkey Jungle. Must be between 1950s to 1970s. Maybe some of the older (or rather say: more experienced) zoochat members can confirm that. (And no: I do not mix them up with the Red Howlers).
I can't remember which zoo (Smithsonian?) but I remember hearing one decided there was no point keeping coyotes anymore when wild ones came to visit the captive ones almost every day
I've seen them repeatedly in and around the LA Zoo
An update on the Los Angeles Zoos Master Plan!!
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So that puts us about two years behind schedule according to this master plan
http://www.visionplan.lazoo.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/LA_Zoo_Vision_Plan.pdf
This is the recommended phasing on pg 86
There is a graph that says environmental approval was supposed to happen in 2018. So unless they have switched the consultant selection that was supposed to happen in 2019 (making us only 1 year behind), or they plan to fast track city approval, consultant selection, and design of the first are; we will not see anything new until 2027.
@WCP, I think you are right on there regarding further planning and actual redevelopment.