Are These in Captivity?

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Great Argus said:
Depends on public or private. Ruffed Grouse at a couple places is the only one that comes to mind, after the aforementioned capercaillies at a couple zoos.
Privately there's a couple different native grouse species kept, never seen ptarmigans offered for sale though or exhibited.
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Where is the Ruffed Grouse? Also, are there any American Woodcocks in captivity (besides ones at rescue centers)?
 
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RatioTile said:
Where is the Ruffed Grouse? Also, are there any American Woodcocks in captivity (besides ones at rescue centers)?
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I don't remember exactly where they are. Northeast I think.
I think there's a couple woodcock around too but don't remember where specifically offhand. Columbus maybe.
 
Great Argus said:
I don't remember exactly where they are. Northeast I think.
I think there's a couple woodcock around too but don't remember where specifically offhand. Columbus maybe.
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I'm not sure where in Columbus they'd be, their north american aviary was open on my visit last month and the species wasn't there.
 
ChunkyMunky pengopus said:
Are marsupial moles in captivity? They are listed here but I have found no information about how they are kept, or if they are displayed: Southern marsupial mole - Alice Springs Desert Park
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No, there aren't. They have been kept occasionally through opportunistic collection (i.e. finding one at the surface) but they don't survive long. The longest-lived was one in the late 1800s at about ten weeks, otherwise none have lived more than a month. Most have died from temperature-related issues (e.g. pneumonia) because apparently they need high temperatures.

The well-known photo of one stuffing a gecko into its mouth is of a captive animal kept in the 1970s.
 
Chlidonias said:
No, there aren't. They have been kept occasionally through opportunistic collection (i.e. finding one at the surface) but they don't survive long. The longest-lived was one in the late 1800s at about ten weeks, otherwise none have lived more than a month. Most have died from temperature-related issues (e.g. pneumonia) because apparently they need high temperatures.

The well-known photo of one stuffing a gecko into its mouth is of a captive animal kept in the 1970s.
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Very interesting, thank you for that information!
One further question if I may; are they still kept opportunistically when discovered? Given the short lifespan issues and general rarity it seems unlikely, I didn't see any recent references to them being kept when I was looking around the internet earlier.
 
Great Argus said:
One further question if I may; are they still kept opportunistically when discovered? Given the short lifespan issues and general rarity it seems unlikely, I didn't see any recent references to them being kept when I was looking around the internet earlier.
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They are normally released. However it was suspected that part of the cause for the short lifespans in captive animals was because the collection of an animal was random and there wasn't anywhere prepared to immediately house it properly. Therefore a set-up was installed at Alice Springs - basically some big tubs which could be filled with sand, and with a heating unit on one side to provide a gradient - so that if any were obtained unexpectedly they could be housed, but I'm not sure it was ever actually used. There aren't any plans to try and start a captive population, or even to deliberately capture any individual animals.

The animals probably aren't rare, just rarely seen. Their skins used to be traded in pretty large numbers by the Aborigines - there is an estimate of "several thousands" of skins being traded at markets between 1900 and 1920 on the edge of the Simpson Desert. A European museum collector named Byrne obtained between 40 and 50 animals in the same general area in the late 1800s.
 
Chlidonias said:
They are normally released. However it was suspected that part of the cause for the short lifespans in captive animals was because the collection of an animal was random and there wasn't anywhere prepared to immediately house it properly. Therefore a set-up was installed at Alice Springs - basically some big tubs which could be filled with sand, and with a heating unit on one side to provide a gradient - so that if any were obtained unexpectedly they could be housed, but I'm not sure it was ever actually used. There aren't any plans to try and start a captive population, or even to deliberately capture any individual animals.

The animals probably aren't rare, just rarely seen. Their skins used to be traded in pretty large numbers by the Aborigines - there is an estimate of "several thousands" of skins being traded at markets between 1900 and 1920 on the edge of the Simpson Desert. A European museum collector named Byrne obtained between 40 and 50 animals in the same general area in the late 1800s.
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Thank you! It makes sense there aren't even deliberate captures, you have to be really lucky to even see one.

That seems to be the IUCN's current opinion as well, both species being listed as LC now. They could be super common yet we still hardly even see them and know very little about them!
 
Great Argus said:
I don't believe marsupial moles or pink fairy armadillos are kept in research labs.
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With the pink fairy armadillo it has been kept for up to 8 months in captivity by a researcher called Mariella Superina.

I meant the star nosed mole in research labs but in terms of the marsupial mole it is similar to the pink fairy armadillo in the sense that they do not survive long in captivity so if they ever have been it probably didn't last too long.
 
RatioTile said:
Where is the Ruffed Grouse? Also, are there any American Woodcocks in captivity (besides ones at rescue centers)?
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I know Minnesota and NEW both used to keep Ruffed Grouse, neither does anymore and those might have been the only holders. I don't think Columbus keeps woodcock anymore, either.
 
RatioTile said:
What ptarmigans and grouse species are kept in the US and Canada? I’ve seen Western Capercaillie at the Bronx Zoo and 2 Rock Ptarmigan subspecies at Ueno Zoo when I visited Japan.
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Western Capercallie is kept at a few collections, Greater Prairie-Chicken is at several zoos in Texas plus one in Illinois (and privately).
 
The Cassowary said:
Is the king of Saxony bird of paradise in any collection?

what about the blood pheasant?

Fan-throated lizards?

Hoatzin?
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Hoatzin has been covered many times before on this thread, it is not in captivity outside of sanctuaries in the Amazon because of the difficulty of keeping it alive in captivity because of the particularities of its dietary and nutritional requirements.

I have no idea about the others you've mentioned.
 
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