ZooChat Challenge Europe 2021

CrashMegaraptor said:
It's OK. I just really wanted to take part, is all. But I must reassure you, it wasn't anything illegal...I do legit work there and we've been trying to get the zoo up and running again for when we can officially reopen...something made harder due to all this snow.

I'll post the list again once the zoo officially reopens. I doubt it'll have changed, though.
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It’s not a problem, I’m glad to have a new face in the challenge! Just trying to be as equal to everyone as we possibly can :)
 
Here's to enjoying the lead for a little while... Even with seven no-shows (some of them expected), my home zoo proves to be a points machine once again. I put species in italics where I've seen new subspecies/forms in case I'm not up to speed with ungulate taxonomy.

Berlin zoo (20.02.2021)

4) Asian elephant (Elephas maximus)
5) Sibirian Ibex (Capra sibirica)
6) Himalayan tahr (Hemitragus jemlahicus)
7) Sichuan takin (Budorcas taxicolor)
8) Kafue lechwe (Kobus leche)
9) Blackbuck (Antilope Cervicapra)
10) White-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
11) Visayan spotted deer (Rusa alfredi)
12) Japanese sika deer (Cervus nippon)
13) Chinese water deer (Hydropotes iniermis)
14) European forest reindeer (Rangifer tanardus)
15) Plains bison (Bison bison)
16) European bison (Bison bosanus)
17) Persian fallow deer (Dama mesopotamica)
18) European domesitc water buffalo (Bubalus bubalis)
19) Ankole cattle (Bos taurus)
20) Grant's zebra (Equus quagga)
21) Common eland (Taurotragus oryx)
22) Eastern Bongo (Tragelaphus eurycerus)
23) Red forest duiker (Cephalophus natalensis)
24) Okapi (Okapia johnstonii)
25) Sable antelope (Hippotragus niger)
26) Greater one-horned rhino (Rhinocerus unicornis)
27) Scimitar-horned oryx (Oryx dammah)
28) Vicuna (Vicuna vicuna)
29) Brazilian tapir (Tapirus terrestris)
Alpaca (Vicuna vicuna)
30) Przewalski wild horse (Equus ferus)
Shetland pony (Equus ferus)
31) Blesbok (Damaliscus pygargus)
32) Greater kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros)
33) Springbok (Antodorcas marsupialis)
34) Grevy's zebra (Eqqus grevyi)
35) Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
36) Javan banteng (Bos javanicus)
37) Red forest buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
38) White-lipped peccary (Tayassu pecari)
39) Suwalesi babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis)
40) Bornean bearded pig (Sus barbatus)
41) Lowland anoa (Bubalus depressicornis)
42) Indian gaur (Bos gaurus)
Domestic sheep (Ovis ammon)
43) Lowland nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
44) African pygmy goat (Capra aegagrus)
Domestic cattle (Bos taurus)
45) Miniature donkey (Equus africanus)
46) Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardis)
47) Defasse Waterbuck (Kobus Ellipsiprymus)
48) Western sitatunga (Tragelaphus spekii)
 
Someokapinextdoor said:
Here's to enjoying the lead for a little while... Even with seven no-shows (some of them expected), my home zoo proves to be a points machine once again. I put species in italics where I've seen new subspecies/forms in case I'm not up to speed with ungulate taxonomy.

Berlin zoo (20.02.2021)

4) Asian elephant (Elephas maximus)
5) Sibirian Ibex (Capra sibirica)
6) Himalayan tahr (Hemitragus jemlahicus)
7) Sichuan takin (Budorcas taxicolor)
8) Kafue lechwe (Kobus leche)
9) Blackbuck (Antilope Cervicapra)
10) White-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
11) Visayan spotted deer (Rusa alfredi)
12) Japanese sika deer (Cervus nippon)
13) Chinese water deer (Hydropotes iniermis)
14) European forest reindeer (Rangifer tanardus)
15) Plains bison (Bison bison)
16) European bison (Bison bosanus)
17) Persian fallow deer (Dama mesopotamica)
18) European domesitc water buffalo (Bubalus bubalis)
19) Ankole cattle (Bos taurus)
20) Grant's zebra (Equus quagga)
21) Common eland (Taurotragus oryx)
22) Eastern Bongo (Tragelaphus eurycerus)
23) Red forest duiker (Cephalophus natalensis)
24) Okapi (Okapia johnstonii)
25) Sable antelope (Hippotragus niger)
26) Greater one-horned rhino (Rhinocerus unicornis)
27) Scimitar-horned oryx (Oryx dammah)
28) Vicuna (Vicuna vicuna)
29) Brazilian tapir (Tapirus terrestris)
Alpaca (Vicuna vicuna)
30) Przewalski wild horse (Equus ferus)
Shetland pony (Equus ferus)
31) Blesbok (Damaliscus pygargus)
32) Greater kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros)
33) Springbok (Antodorcas marsupialis)
34) Grevy's zebra (Eqqus grevyi)
35) Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
36) Javan banteng (Bos javanicus)
37) Red forest buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
38) White-lipped peccary (Tayassu pecari)
39) Suwalesi babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis)
40) Bornean bearded pig (Sus barbatus)
41) Lowland anoa (Bubalus depressicornis)
42) Indian gaur (Bos gaurus)
Domestic sheep (Ovis ammon)
43) Lowland nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
44) African pygmy goat (Capra aegagrus)
Domestic cattle (Bos taurus)
45) Miniature donkey (Equus africanus)
46) Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardis)
47) Defasse Waterbuck (Kobus Ellipsiprymus)
48) Western sitatunga (Tragelaphus spekii)
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I shouldn't really be helping someone with such a substantial lead ;) but if you saw both giraffes at the Zoo then that's two ticks as for this challenge I am counting the proposed split of giraffe into four species. Given that the Zoo has a male reticulated and a male Rothschild's, that is therefore two ticks (Giraffa reticulata and Giraffa camelopardalis)
 
ShonenJake13 said:
I shouldn't really be helping someone with such a substantial lead ;) but if you saw both giraffes at the Zoo then that's two ticks as for this challenge I am counting the proposed split of giraffe into four species. Given that the Zoo has a male reticulated and a male Rothschild's, that is therefore two ticks (Giraffa reticulata and Giraffa camelopardalis)
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ZTL lists both of them as hybrids, I but can confirm that they do look very different from each other. I'm confident that I'll get a "pure" Rothschild very soon, so I'll count that there and replace the animal of unclear ancesty. Same with Reticulated (if I get there which is not clear yet).
 
Someokapinextdoor said:
ZTL lists both of them as hybrids, I but can confirm that they do look very different from each other. I'm confident that I'll get a "pure" Rothschild very soon, so I'll count that there and replace the animal of unclear ancesty. Same with Reticulated (if I get there which is not clear yet).
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In that case, just to be on the safe side and to conform with the rules (in which I said any pure forms of the giraffe species count, but the hybrids don’t), I won’t count your current giraffe tick. So you’re on 47 at the moment :)
 
ShonenJake13 said:
In that case, just to be on the safe side and to conform with the rules (in which I said any pure forms of the giraffe species count, but the hybrids don’t), I won’t count your current giraffe tick. So you’re on 47 at the moment :)
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While I don't agree with that way of counting (It's weird to count domestics with maybe really wild ancestry, but not hybrids that may actually be the same species), so be it. I can't edit my post right now, not sure why, but I'll take it into account for my next update.
 
So here we go. Two no-shows and four species not visible due to the construction going on in the mountain area:

Tierpark Berlin (09.03.2021)

Barbary stag (Cervus elaphus)
48) Vietnamese sika deer (Cervus hortulorum)
49) Barasingha (Rucervus duvacelii)
50) Manitoba elk (Cervus canadensis)
51) Bactrian red deer (Cervus hanglu)
Altai wapiti (Cervus canadensis)
52) Javan rusa (Rusa timorensis)
53) Sambar deer (Rusa unicolor)
54) European Moose (Alces alces)
Caucasian zebu (Bos taurus)
Domestic reindeer (Rangifer tanardus)
55) East African oryx (Oryx beisa)
56) Hartmann's mountain zebra (Equus zebra)
Somali wild ass (Equus africanus)
57) Dromedary (Camelus dromedarius)
58) Bactrian camel (Camelus ferus)
59) Rothschild's giraffe (Giraffa) rothschildi)
60) Southern mountain reedbuck (Redunca fulvorufula)
Ellipsen waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
61) Arabian oryx (Oryx Leucoryx)
62) Addax (Addax nasomaculatus)
63) Mhorr gazelle (Nanger dama)
64) Red river hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
65) Thorold's deer (Cervus albirostris)
66) Burmese brow-antlered deer (Panolia eldii)
67) Bawean deer (Axis kuhlii)
Gayal (Bos gaurus)
68) Rocky mountain goat (Oreamnos americanus)
Cape buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
Mishmi takin (Budorcas taxicolor)
69) Barren ground musk ox (Ovibos moschatus)
Marco polo sheep (Ovus ammon)
70) Bharal (Pseudois nayaur)
71) Tufted deer (Eladphodus cephalophus)
72) Kulan (Equus hemionus)
Golden takin (Budorcas taxicolor)
73) Eastern kiang (Equus kiang)
74) Milu (Elaphurus davidianus)
Asiatic domestic water buffalo (Bubalis bubalis)
75) Guanako (Lama gunaicoe)
76) Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)
77) Chacoan peccary (Catagonus wagneri)
78) Llama (Lama glama)

That was... difficult. I hope I didn't make an error this time...
 
Zoo Duisburg - 29.03.21

01. Domestic Goat (Capra aegagrus hircus)
02. Vicuna (Vicugna vicugna)
03. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga burchellii)
04. Domestic Cattle (Bos taurus)
05. South American Tapir (Tapirus terrestris)
06. Domestic Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)
07. Domestic Sheep (Ovis orientalis)
08. Kirk's dik-dik (Madoqua kirkii)
09. Blue Duiker (Philantomba monticola)
10. Domestic Pig (Sus scrofa)
11. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis reticulata)
12. Bongo (Tragelaphus eurycerus)
13. Red River Hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
14. African Bush Elephant (Loxodonta africana)
15. White-lipped Peccary (Tayassu pecari)
16. Bactrian Camel (Camelus bactrianus)
17. Domestic Donkey (Equus africanus)
18. Reeves's Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi)
19. Square-lipped Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum)
 
Najade said:
Zoo Duisburg - 29.03.21

01. Domestic Goat (Capra aegagrus hircus)
02. Vicuna (Vicugna vicugna)
03. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga burchellii)
04. Domestic Cattle (Bos taurus)
05. South American Tapir (Tapirus terrestris)
06. Domestic Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)
07. Domestic Sheep (Ovis orientalis)
08. Kirk's dik-dik (Madoqua kirkii)
09. Blue Duiker (Philantomba monticola)
10. Domestic Pig (Sus scrofa)
11. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis reticulata)
12. Bongo (Tragelaphus eurycerus)
13. Red River Hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
14. African Bush Elephant (Loxodonta africana)
15. White-lipped Peccary (Tayassu pecari)
16. Bactrian Camel (Camelus bactrianus)
17. Domestic Donkey (Equus africanus)
18. Reeves's Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi)
19. Square-lipped Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum)
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Zoo Duisburg - 01.04.21

20. Pygmy Hippopotamus (Choeropsis/Hexaprotodon liberiensis)
 
Thank you very much for this challenge @ShonenJake13 ! Finally some zoo time, so I can join.

Kristiansand Dyreparken 03/04

01. Common Eland (Taurotragus oryx)
02. Blesbock (Damaliscus pygargus phillipsi )
03. Grant's Zebra (Equus quagga boehmi)
04. Eurasian Elk (Alces alces alces)
05. Common Fallow Deer (Dama dama dama)
06. South American Tapir (Tapirus terrestris)
07. Alpine Ibex (Capra ibex)
08. Bactrian Camel
09. Domestic Pig
10. Domestic Donkey
11. Domestic Horse
12. Domestic Goat
13. Domestic Cattle - Vestland fjord cattle, only one holder in Europe
14. Domestic Sheep - Spaelsau, only one holder in Europe

One sad news concerning this game, I haven't seen posted:
Tallinn zoo lost the last Amur Goral in Europe not long time ago...
 
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Filling the Gaps... Note that I start at one species more than I designated because I apparently forgot how to count between rounds (using number 4 twice)

Tierpark Berlin (11.04.2021)

Wood bison (Bison bosanus)
80) Indian hog deer (Axis porcinus)
81) Southern gerenuk (Litocranius walleri)
 
Mattaki said:
Got a quick visit in to Chester today, sadly bad weather and covid restrictions lead to a lot of no shows including even the elephants...

1. Eastern black rhinoceros (Diceros bicornis)
2. Sitatunga (Tragelaphus spekii)
3. Malayan tapir (Tapirus indicus)
4. Lowland tapir (Tapirus terrestris)
5. Congo forest buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
6. Rothschild's giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis)
7. Red river hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
8. Persian onager (Equus hemionus)
9. Roan antelope (Hippotragus equinus)
10. Grevy's zebra (Equus grevyi)
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Chester Zoo - (13.04.2021)

11. Asian elephant (Elephas maximus)
12. Visayan warty pig (Sus cebifrons)
13. Banteng (Bos javanicus)
14. Sulawesi babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis)
15. Kirk's dik-dik (Madoqua kirkii)
16. Philippine spotted deer (Rusa alfredi)
17. Okapi (Okapia johnstoni)
18. Bactrian camel (Camelus bactrianus)
19. Indian rhinoceros (Rhinoceros unicornis)
20. Lowland anoa (Bubalus depressicornis)
 
Someokapinextdoor said:
Filling the Gaps... Note that I start at one species more than I designated because I apparently forgot how to count between rounds (using number 4 twice)

Tierpark Berlin (11.04.2021)

Wood bison (Bison bosanus)
80) Indian hog deer (Axis porcinus)
81) Southern gerenuk (Litocranius walleri)
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Someokapinextdoor said:
Filling the Gaps... Note that I start at one species more than I designated because I apparently forgot how to count between rounds (using number 4 twice)

Tierpark Berlin (11.04.2021)

Wood bison (Bison bosanus)
80) Indian hog deer (Axis porcinus)
81) Southern gerenuk (Litocranius walleri)
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You must be desperate to win, since there will be virtually no cross channel movement this year you have probably almost won already!!
This challenge is probably pointless for anyone in the UK. But we can treat it as another UK challenge
 
Well, it’s a late start and a small zoo, but a start nonetheless.
Beale Wildlife Park 13/4/2021
1.Domestic Sheep (Cameroon)
2.Domestic Goat (African Pygmy & Arapawa)
3.Sika Deer
4.Domestic Cattle (Dwarf Zebu)
5.Domestic Pig (Kunekune)
6.Alpaca
7.Domestic Donkey (Abyssinian)
8.Domestic Horse (Shetland Pony)
9.Chapman’s Zebra
 
pipaluk said:
You must be desperate to win, since there will be virtually no cross channel movement this year you have probably almost won already!!
This challenge is probably pointless for anyone in the UK. But we can treat it as another UK challenge
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I'm not sure about that. As things stand here It's improbable that I will be visiting any other zoo than the Berlin's in 2021. In fact, Tierpark is the farthest I've been from my home since January. This would put me at 86 if I get all the no-shows left. Is it really impossible to beat that number within the whole UK?

I apologize if I've made things seem hopeless for others, but in my opinion a ungulate challenge winner should at least be able to beat the tally of Europe's best ungulate city;)
 
Someokapinextdoor said:
I'm not sure about that. As things stand here It's improbable that I will be visiting any other zoo than the Berlin's in 2021. In fact, Tierpark is the farthest I've been from my home since January. This would put me at 86 if I get all the no-shows left. Is it really impossible to beat that number within the whole UK?

I apologize if I've made things seem hopeless for others, but in my opinion a ungulate challenge winner should at least be able to beat the tally of Europe's best ungulate city;)
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Please don't take offence, I was only commenting because you felt the need to add the 2 extra when already so far ahead. I visit between 40 and 55 UK zoos a year usually and am pretty confident you have already beaten me!
 
CrashMegaraptor said:
Question - do zoos count if they're open to members?
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Yes, that would still count as open to the public in my eyes.

And now for a housekeeping post:

pipaluk said:
Please don't take offence, I was only commenting because you felt the need to add the 2 extra when already so far ahead. I visit between 40 and 55 UK zoos a year usually and am pretty confident you have already beaten me!
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Let’s see how this year goes...last year was already such a massive change from what we’d all expected. I’d rather that we don’t all get too negative (whether accidentally or deliberately!) with other participants that have more of an opportunity than some of us. In previous years I’ve been based in the UK and still managed to get around a fair bit even with the little income/spare time I possess, and we’ve had winners before in the past who have only travelled to a handful of countries in their area. Last year’s winner got lucky with the places he could visit during a pandemic, and for the second European challenge which was both waterfowl and gamebirds I visited Walsrode, Slimbridge and Cologne that year solely by chance, which ended up getting me the victory.

I understand the comment wasn’t meant to offend anyone, and I’m not saying you have offended me personally nor am I speaking for our German friend, but let’s please leave any bemoaning of the opportunities other folks get from the spirit of the game. As I said in the very first post in this thread, the main aim with the theme this year is to allow people to actually partake as last year’s theme was mostly indoors. There’s still plenty of spots in the UK that could get you a fair number, and it’s not looking like anyone will be able to leave their native countries much at the moment...so let’s wait and see what this year brings!

In short...this challenge isn’t to win but is more for fun!

Thanks all, looking forward to seeing what everyone (UK or rest of Europe) bring to this challenge! Annoying housekeeping over :)

(I for one am very excited to add my whopping four additions to my total this weekend)
 
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