Animallover360
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Does the Cincinnati Zoo have Bornean Elephants, or Sumatran Elephants?
Which Asian Elephant Subspecies should be represented more in Zoos
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Mai Thai
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Neither they have Malayan and Indian elephants. Sabu and Jati and Malayan and Mai Thai and Schottzie are Indian.
Animallover360
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I didn’t know that. Thank you for the information
The more I think about it and come back to this thread and looking at the status updates for both Sumatran and Bornean elephants I do think that there is validity in extending and expanding the ex situ conservation breeding for both subspecific taxa in zoos in range countries as well as one overseas region.
To my knowledge there are only 0.3 Bornean elephants overseas: F Sayang (Pairi Daizi, Belgium), F Phoebe (Portland) and F Mayang (Hannover, Germany). Lok Kawi Wildlife Park is the only in situ location and hardly breeding its Borneans .... for now. The wild population has been steadily decreasing over the last 2 decades and in particularly since 2012/13 illegal poaching and poisoning in their last strongholds has increased significantly. The population now should be around 1,400. and still going down and with unabated indiscriminate killings and poisonings.
For Sumatran elephants, the figures are a little less disturbing, but equally with a population at between 2,000 - 2,500 elephants, a steep decline of what once was. There is a significant population in Indonesian zoos (close on 100) and another 350-380 across some Elephant Training Centers and commercial parks and tourism locations. Overseas, there is at least a breeding group at Madrid Zoo (assembled from erstwhile Tierpark Berlin FF and a M imported by Pairi Daizi/Halle. Australia Zoo currently has 0.4 on loan from the Taman Safari group (males for breeding should come in in due course). Now with those kind of figures, it too requires an overseas program.
The management of mainland Indian-Sri Lanka and Malayan-IndoChina elephant is already being practised overseas. It is likely the European EEP/EAZA will start propping up SSP/AZA with captive born elephants from Europe. Further, the elder elephants from both the European and North American populations will start to die off over time .... Hence, my continued plea for another subspecific breeding program overseas in either North America (less likely ...) and Europe (with outreach to S.E. Asia with Singapore / Taipeh and others ...) for Bornean / Sumatran elephants. It sure would not be a huge investment to set up one Bornean breeding herd and 2-3 Sumatran groups here ..... would it not?
To my knowledge there are only 0.3 Bornean elephants overseas: F Sayang (Pairi Daizi, Belgium), F Phoebe (Portland) and F Mayang (Hannover, Germany). Lok Kawi Wildlife Park is the only in situ location and hardly breeding its Borneans .... for now. The wild population has been steadily decreasing over the last 2 decades and in particularly since 2012/13 illegal poaching and poisoning in their last strongholds has increased significantly. The population now should be around 1,400. and still going down and with unabated indiscriminate killings and poisonings.
For Sumatran elephants, the figures are a little less disturbing, but equally with a population at between 2,000 - 2,500 elephants, a steep decline of what once was. There is a significant population in Indonesian zoos (close on 100) and another 350-380 across some Elephant Training Centers and commercial parks and tourism locations. Overseas, there is at least a breeding group at Madrid Zoo (assembled from erstwhile Tierpark Berlin FF and a M imported by Pairi Daizi/Halle. Australia Zoo currently has 0.4 on loan from the Taman Safari group (males for breeding should come in in due course). Now with those kind of figures, it too requires an overseas program.
The management of mainland Indian-Sri Lanka and Malayan-IndoChina elephant is already being practised overseas. It is likely the European EEP/EAZA will start propping up SSP/AZA with captive born elephants from Europe. Further, the elder elephants from both the European and North American populations will start to die off over time .... Hence, my continued plea for another subspecific breeding program overseas in either North America (less likely ...) and Europe (with outreach to S.E. Asia with Singapore / Taipeh and others ...) for Bornean / Sumatran elephants. It sure would not be a huge investment to set up one Bornean breeding herd and 2-3 Sumatran groups here ..... would it not?
Mai Thai
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The Singapore Zoo has two female Sumatran Elephants aslo.
Yes, I did.I think you mean Chendra, Phoebe is at Columbus and is of the Indian subspecies
Two Sumatran cows at Singapore are Aprila and Intan and came from Tasman Safari. Export say another 1.2 to Singapore and we have another breeding group of pure Sumatrans.
Sphenisciologist
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I’m not sure which subspecies my zoo has, but I believe we have Indian.
Anyway, I think Bornean elephants because they are the cutest and child-like looking. They also have the least representation of the subspecies.
Anyway, I think Bornean elephants because they are the cutest and child-like looking. They also have the least representation of the subspecies.
Mai Thai
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What is the name of your zoo? Then I can confirm the subspecies.
Sphenisciologist
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Saint Louis Zoo.
Mai Thai
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Yes you were correct, the Saint Louis Zoo is home to the Indian Subspecies.