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Bulu and Senja spent far too many years in traditional style cages in ZSL, to be able to adapt easily to the climbing opportunities in the far more naturalistic enclosure at Paignton. Its similar to Parrots being kept in cages all their lives and losing the ability to fly. I remember Senja in particular was so obese she didn't really move off the ground. For many years that fine grove of willow trees remained unexplored or climbed apart from possibly by Nakal. Only when Mali and Demo arrived did the enclosure really start to get proper usage. For some years after, it became a very good exhibit. But I think that era is in the past now.

@Pertinax I thought that Natalia used the Orangutan enclosure to it’s full potential. I have not been to Paignton for 3/4 years but I remember Natalia loving the public. @Pertinax out of the two sisters who would you say was/is more visible to the public? Finally @Pertinax do you know how old Chinta is, I believe she is elderly so the chances of having children with Wousan are minimal.
 
@Pertinax I thought that Natalia used the Orangutan enclosure to it’s full potential. I have not been to Paignton for 3/4 years but I remember Natalia loving the public. @Pertinax out of the two sisters who would you say was/is more visible to the public? Finally @Pertinax do you know how old Chinta is, I believe she is elderly so the chances of having children with Wousan are minimal.

I have not been to Paignton Zoo for several years so cannot answer your first question. Have a look in an Orangutan studbook (online) where you would be able to trace Chinta's relatives/ancestry as well as her exact age. But she is certainly not too old to breed again, as females will continue into quite an advanced age.
 
I have not been to Paignton Zoo for several years so cannot answer your first question. Have a look in an Orangutan studbook (online) where you would be able to trace Chinta's relatives/ancestry as well as her exact age. But she is certainly not too old to breed again, as females will continue into quite an advanced age.
Chinta was born on 16 February 1990.
 
Chinta was born on 16 February 1990.
@Gigit being 31 makes the chances of her mating with Wousan slimmer. @Gigit can you answer my other question please?
@Pertinax I thought that Natalia used the Orangutan enclosure to it’s full potential. I have not been to Paignton for 3/4 years but I remember Natalia loving the public. @Pertinax out of the two sisters who would you say was/is more visible to the public? Finally @Pertinax do you know how old Chinta is, I believe she is elderly so the chances of having children with Wousan are minimal.
Is Natalia more public friendly than Tatau?
 
Some of the indoor houses opened today. Reptile Tropics (Tropical Trails) looked pretty much the same but with residents in different places and, I think, fewer birds. Apparently Emerald tree skinks are still to arrive. The Desert House (Arid Lands) had far fewer budgies than when I was last in there. As far as I could tell, other birds were the same as before. With social distancing and people behind you, you feel you can't hang around in one spot for long in these houses. Amphibian Ark promises Lake Titicaca water frogs, Luvistan newts, and Laos warty frogs still to come. Residents there have moved round but they often do.

Croc Swamp - I am by no means a croc expert, but I'm sure two crocs labelled as Cuban were gharials. There appeared to be gharials in three areas. Another croc labelled as Cuban could have been, and then there was the saltwater croc in her usual area. @gentle lemur, who I was pleased to bump into, will probably be able to clarify.

At last, we could drink our coffee indoors after providing all our contact details. Visitors will probably feel more satisfied that they've had their money's worth now.
 
Some of the indoor houses opened today. Reptile Tropics (Tropical Trails) looked pretty much the same but with residents in different places and, I think, fewer birds. Apparently Emerald tree skinks are still to arrive. The Desert House (Arid Lands) had far fewer budgies than when I was last in there. As far as I could tell, other birds were the same as before. With social distancing and people behind you, you feel you can't hang around in one spot for long in these houses. Amphibian Ark promises Lake Titicaca water frogs, Luvistan newts, and Laos warty frogs still to come. Residents there have moved round but they often do.

Croc Swamp - I am by no means a croc expert, but I'm sure two crocs labelled as Cuban were gharials. There appeared to be gharials in three areas. Another croc labelled as Cuban could have been, and then there was the saltwater croc in her usual area. @gentle lemur, who I was pleased to bump into, will probably be able to clarify.

At last, we could drink our coffee indoors after providing all our contact details. Visitors will probably feel more satisfied that they've had their money's worth now.

@Gigit has the Ape House reopened, if not do you know when it will?
 
Some of the indoor houses opened today. Reptile Tropics (Tropical Trails) looked pretty much the same but with residents in different places and, I think, fewer birds. Apparently Emerald tree skinks are still to arrive. The Desert House (Arid Lands) had far fewer budgies than when I was last in there. As far as I could tell, other birds were the same as before. With social distancing and people behind you, you feel you can't hang around in one spot for long in these houses. Amphibian Ark promises Lake Titicaca water frogs, Luvistan newts, and Laos warty frogs still to come. Residents there have moved round but they often do.
Croc Swamp - I am by no means a croc expert, but I'm sure two crocs labelled as Cuban were gharials. There appeared to be gharials in three areas. Another croc labelled as Cuban could have been, and then there was the saltwater croc in her usual area. @gentle lemur, who I was pleased to bump into, will probably be able to clarify.
It was my first visit since last August as I was frustrated by there being so little to see with so many houses closed. Obviously there have been many changes since then, which have already been reported here, but I was eager to see the newly named indoor areas. My first comment is that much of the labelling has yet to catch up. Reptile Tropics and the Desert House have new names on the website, but not on the buildings themselves; the labels for the reptile exhibits are OK, but the ones for amphibians and crocs are dodgy.
The waterfall at the entrance of Reptile Tropics was turned off and the aquarium, which previously held blind cave fish, was boarded up. The first vivarium holds a blue tree monitor and the second Nguru spiny dwarf chameleons (although I only saw one, after several minutes of searching). The pool enclosure has the Vietnamese box turtles and their previous enclosure, near the Emergency Exit, had been combined with the small crocodile exhibit and now holds the old mangrove monitor. The enclosure opposite for the red-footed tortoises has been enlarged by combining it with the one that held the Home's hingebacks, which were not on show. Other species on show were the leaf-tailed gecko, monkey-tailed skink, Vietnamese mossy frog, Guiana dragon & yellow-spotted Amazon turtle (their tank seemed to be leaking badly), red-tailed rat snake, Amazon tree boa & yellow banded dart frog, Annam leaf turtle, Philippine water monitor, lesser Antillean iguana, Boyd's forest dragon and Fea's frog. The species that were on show last year, but were not on show today, include Parson's chameleon, south-east Asian box turtle, Mexican beaded lizard, mangrove snake and Utila spiny-tailed iguana. There were noticeably fewer birds than before. It took me a while to realise that I hadn't seen any Java sparrows or speckled mouse birds, which were the most numerous previously - I think some birds may have been shy of seeing visitors again after so long. The aviary in the corner seemed to be under repair.
I saw some of the familiar birds in the little lobby between the buildings plus a nice pair of Mauritius pink pigeons. The Desert House was little changed, it was nice to see several cavies again and I noticed a Wonga pigeon building a nest.
@Gigit has already reported on the Amphibian Ark, it seems that they are waiting for new exhibits for some of the species she mentioned - two small corrections, Lauristan newts and Laos warty newts. Quick photos of the tanks at the back of the service area showed labels for fire-bellied newts and Kaiser spotted newts, so we can look forward to some exhibits for Caudata eventually. I did see two strange small green frogs in one of the dart frog tanks, but they had no label and the condensation on the glass prevented me from getting a clear photo.
Finally the crocs, I saw only one adult Cuban croc in the pool near the entrance, the two smaller Tomistoma were opposite. I think the Komodo dragon has grown a bit, as has the small Cuban croc, which was previously in Reptile Tropics and is now in the waterlily pool, but I didn't see the alligator snappers. The old Tomistoma and the salty were in their familiar pools.
 
How Reptile Tropics/Tropical Trails was repaired and restocked over the last year:
Tropical Trails & Tribulations • Paignton Zoo Blog
I don’t think any birds were lost during the two roof episodes, so they must have downsized the tropical collection in number quite significantly. Some species were beginning to dominate the space before closure, but I wonder if the number of actual species has reduced? I’m buoyed by the Bongo arrival and the Newts from Newquay and hope that this week marks the beginning of a new chapter for the zoo.
 
I may have to withdraw my comments above about the orang islands providing plenty of natural foraging. Today, two people were re-enacting a scenario from Borneo and strimming the large island of anything that didn't have a sturdy stem. They were making their way towards the blackberry bushes that used to provide hours of enrichment for Mali and Tatty, but I didn't stay long enough to see if they attacked them too. Another couple were watching and said it was the most interesting thing they'd seen all morning, apart from a glimpse of a tiger. Not the zoo's fault, of course, that the weather was foul so few animals were around and that you have to book your visit in advance without the aid of a crystal ball. But, my word, it is hard to be optimistic there at the moment.
 
Annual Pass holders have been invited to complete a short survey:
three words to describe the Wild Planet Trust; three words to describe the zoo; reason for purchasing an annual pass; what the term 'annual pass' means to you; does 'annual pass' accurately reflect your reason for purchasing it.
It perhaps suggests some changes ahead for passes. We used to be called 'members' and old habits die hard with some people. But when asked if we are members on the way in, we make life easier by nodding rather than saying 'no'.
 
Annual Pass holders have been invited to complete a short survey:
three words to describe the Wild Planet Trust; three words to describe the zoo; reason for purchasing an annual pass; what the term 'annual pass' means to you; does 'annual pass' accurately reflect your reason for purchasing it.
It perhaps suggests some changes ahead for passes. We used to be called 'members' and old habits die hard with some people. But when asked if we are members on the way in, we make life easier by nodding rather than saying 'no'.
My feelings exactly. I filled out the survey and made it clear I want to feel like a member/stakeholder as opposed to a ‘pass holder’. I hope there is not another million dollar re-branding about to take place!!
 
My feelings exactly. I filled out the survey and made it clear I want to feel like a member/stakeholder as opposed to a ‘pass holder’. I hope there is not another million dollar re-branding about to take place!!
I do hope not!
 
Went today, mainly to see the indoor areas. I’m not sure how I feel, a combination of sadness, hope, but predominantly a kind of underwhelming frustration at how many species have gone, and, in such numbers!
Positives: A pair of Spotted Laughing Thrush in the ex owl (original Mauritius Kestrel) aviary near Oriental Storks.
The Cotton Top Tamarins have moved to the Gorilla Island (Allen’s Swamp Monkey) house.
 
Went today, mainly to see the indoor areas. I’m not sure how I feel, a combination of sadness, hope, but predominantly a kind of underwhelming frustration at how many species have gone, and, in such numbers!
Positives: A pair of Spotted Laughing Thrush in the ex owl (original Mauritius Kestrel) aviary near Oriental Storks.
The Cotton Top Tamarins have moved to the Gorilla Island (Allen’s Swamp Monkey) house.
....also, the Bug House & Amphibian Ark areas are looking even better with really good mixed species exhibits. I really like (and something I’ve been calling for) the signage on the reptile & amphib empty tanks/vivs which gives specific information about which species are arriving and why it is empty. We need the mammal dept to follow suit!
The tropical house had a small pair of parrots (Lory or Caique?) - see pic. I saw Bali Starlings, Fruit Doves, Nicobar Pigeons, Orange L Thrushes & Alexandrine (?) Parakeets - there was no updated signage, but it felt weird with so few birds.
 

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