What is the worst state for zoos? U.S.A edition.

I mean, I guess it wouldn't be wrong for me to say that a full blown African Savannah exhibit like in many zoos wouldn't be suitable for a zoo in very cold place to be built.
If you mean "lots of African megafauna species and specimens" by "full blown African Savannah exhibit" (complex), then not to the extent in, say, San Diego. However, there are "darn good" exhibits displaying African Savannah species in zoos located in places that can, at least for Indonesian standards, be quite cold, depending on the season.
 
Then you should ask, say, @Pleistohorse and others who have actually been to "darn good" Alaska Zoo and other zoos in Alaska before falling for a fallacy of composition.


I mean, I guess it wouldn't be wrong for me to say that a full blown African Savannah exhibit like in many zoos wouldn't be suitable for a zoo in very cold place to be built.

Yep. Maggie, the African Elephant, and Annabelle, the Asian Elephant, before her, were not really suited for life in Alaska. The Alaska Zoo went to great expense to try and accommodate Maggie’s needs at the end, but really couldn’t. I was part of the police escort that led Maggie to the airport where a USAF cargo aircraft flew her down to California. The last I saw Maggie was a few days before she left the Alaska Zoo. She, no kidding, trumpeted as she was being loaded into the aircraft...and true story, I took my step-daughter to the zoo when she was about five (she always called it “going to see Maggie”) and I caught her trying to hide a peanut...a single peanut...in her pocket. I made her leave it in the car and when we saw Maggie that day, the Elephant extended her trunk towards the kids viewing her and my daughter turned around and gave me the most withering look! I do wish that the facility Maggie retired too allowed some sort of visitation. Especially for Alaskans who remember Maggie. My kid is probably among youngest of those who really do and she is now twenty.

I believe the Alaska Zoo does have some reptiles behind the scenes that they use for school visits. Probably with a tropical species. The popularity of the traveling Reptile Zoo that visits Alaska every August makes me wonder if the Alaska Zoo wouldn’t want to invest in a high quality Reptile House type exhibit...the chance of losing power and heat midwinter (or the expense of heating anyway) I guess needs to be considered.

That’s said, I’ll take advantage of the fact you all didn’t say “exclusively tropical” and throw you a curve ball...Alaska has one animal where the bulk of the world population does indeed live in the tropics...the Alpaca in montane, yet tropical Peru! Then we have the Amur Tiger, which probably really should be counted with all the other mainland “subspecies” and in that case the bulk of the wild population lives in the tropics.

Then we have:

Black-tail Deer (a subspecies of the Mule Deer), which as a species can be found in southernmost Baja California, the tropics, and has been introduced to Hawaii.

Coyote (well documented to be on the verge of entering South America from Panama).

Red Fox (tropical Arabia, India, and the Upper Nile Valley in southern Egypt and northern Sudan...to say nothing of Australia...where the species enters the tropics from the south!)

The Great Horned Owl and the Peregrine Falcon.

Grey Wolves (the Arabian and Indian Wolves of course range into the tropics...and in North America the species once existed as far south as Mexico City). So did Brown Bears....

Black Bears (still inhabit the mountains of Mexico and range right down to the Tropic of Cancer...heck, were there a land bridge...or even a continuous island chain...between Florida and Cuba the Black Bear would cross right down into the tropical Caribbean). So would the River Otter....

So not too bad a representation by Tropical or Sub-tropical animals at The Alaska Zoo (which is a much loved institution here in Anchorage and the surrounding communities).
 
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Animal Ark. There's also a group working on bringing an AZA zoo to Vegas.
There have been reports on here for years (as long as I've been on ZooChat) that a major zoo will open in Las Vegas. It hasn't happened and honestly I don't see it happening. Nevada (outside Reno) does have Animal Ark - which I visited for a cheetah run and found hugely disappointing (mostly due to staff attitude) - and the seemingly substandard Sierra Safari Zoo (I think that's the name) not far from there.
 
Rhode Island I was considering but it’s actually a fine state full of zoos.

Hey guy from Rhode Island here, it really isn't.

We had 2 zoos before, Slater Park, but that closed in the 1990s so as of right now the state has a full zoo, some small aquariums, and an exotic animal farm out on Block Island.

But if you were to say that Rhode Island is the best place to live near a zoo, especially since there are like 6-8 different zoos that are about an hours drive from the nation's capital, I would agree with you.
 
There have been reports on here for years (as long as I've been on ZooChat) that a major zoo will open in Las Vegas. It hasn't happened and honestly I don't see it happening. Nevada (outside Reno) does have Animal Ark - which I visited for a cheetah run and found hugely disappointing (mostly due to staff attitude) - and the seemingly substandard Sierra Safari Zoo (I think that's the name) not far from there.

I don't know much about it, but they do have a zoo society now and are actively doing fundraisers - Log into Facebook
 
I don't know much about it, but they do have a zoo society now and are actively doing fundraisers - Log into Facebook
Interesting. However the Las Vegas Zoological Society was started in 2013 - that's over seven years ago - and as far as I can tell have made no tangible progress. Do they even have a site location? Since I know nothing about them I could be and hope to be proven wrong, but I will remain skeptical until I see a notice of construction. And their goal is to build a one hundred acre AZA accredited facility? That's a tall order to start with and unless they get a millionaire to back them, I don't see it happening any time soon. Again I will be happy to be proven wrong and I certainly wish them the best.
 
Interesting. However the Las Vegas Zoological Society was started in 2013 - that's over seven years ago - and as far as I can tell have made no tangible progress. Do they even have a site location? Since I know nothing about them I could be and hope to be proven wrong, but I will remain skeptical until I see a notice of construction. And their goal is to build a one hundred acre AZA accredited facility? That's a tall order to start with and unless they get a millionaire to back them, I don't see it happening any time soon. Again I will be happy to be proven wrong and I certainly wish them the best.

I only know what's on that page, which I discovered a month ago. I would assume they have, or are planning to get, some local big-time backers. You could always join the society and find out ;) They've been selling shirts with a logo on them, so I'd hope they have something tangible if they're doing that much!
 
...You could always join the society and find out ;) ...
Considering how much I HATE Las Vegas, that is definitely not going to happen. :p (I refer of course to the one in Nevada; no offense to the fine folks in Las Vegas, New Mexico, which I am sure is a charming small town).
 
Considering how much I HATE Las Vegas, that is definitely not going to happen. :p (I refer of course to the one in Nevada; no offense to the fine folks in Las Vegas, New Mexico, which I am sure is a charming small town).

I can't say I disagree, it's the only trip I've ever come home early from :P
 
Considering how much I HATE Las Vegas, that is definitely not going to happen. :p (I refer of course to the one in Nevada; no offense to the fine folks in Las Vegas, New Mexico, which I am sure is a charming small town).

I guess the bright lights and casinos (and the lack of zoos) didn't really grab your attention right?
 
Another facility in New Hampshire is the Living Shores Aquarium. It is in Glenn, NH. It just opened last year. From what I have heard, it is not a very good facility for animal care. It is very small, and the aquarium needs better animal care. I have heard that an Asian Small Clawed Otter has lost a limb due to improper fencing/separation of the otters, and I heard that a pufferfish was in the lionfish exhibit, and the lionfish, well, did what a lionfish does... it ate the pufferfish.
 
exhibit, and the lionfish, well, did what a lionfish does... it ate the pufferfish

Really this is a risk pretty much all aquariums take, mixing potentially predatory species with prey. And sporadic predation is not unheard of by any means, plenty of YouTube videos with sharks or rays capturing tankmates. I wouldn't say occasional predation makes an aquarium bad necessarily; generally they strive to prevent it but in some cases its just part of maintaining the exhibit. (Monterey Bay's open ocean exhibit for example, with the large sardine school sharing space with tuna, dolphinfish, pelagic stingrays, and sharks.) It does sound in this case the puffer was probably small enough it shouldn't have been mixed, but puffers are generally rather safe mixes due to toxins.
 
Really this is a risk pretty much all aquariums take, mixing potentially predatory species with prey. And sporadic predation is not unheard of by any means, plenty of YouTube videos with sharks or rays capturing tankmates. I wouldn't say occasional predation makes an aquarium bad necessarily; generally they strive to prevent it but in some cases its just part of maintaining the exhibit. (Monterey Bay's open ocean exhibit for example, with the large sardine school sharing space with tuna, dolphinfish, pelagic stingrays, and sharks.) It does sound in this case the puffer was probably small enough it shouldn't have been mixed, but puffers are generally rather safe mixes due to toxins.
On the lion fish situation, I’m not 100 percent sure if it’s true because I got the information from a friend. The otter situation, there was an article online and there has been animal rights groups protesting at the aquarium when it first opened.
 
Another facility in New Hampshire is the Living Shores Aquarium. It is in Glenn, NH. It just opened last year. From what I have heard, it is not a very good facility for animal care. It is very small, and the aquarium needs better animal care. I have heard that an Asian Small Clawed Otter has lost a limb due to improper fencing/separation of the otters, and I heard that a pufferfish was in the lionfish exhibit, and the lionfish, well, did what a lionfish does... it ate the pufferfish.
This is the place that opened a few years ago, right?
 
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