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I take absolutely no pleasure in criticising ZSL, but even a casual zoo visitor can see the direction Whipsnade has taken in recent years -
I totally agree, with both. I've been a member for many years and I'm happy to continue to support them, with their conservation / re-introduction programmes around the world. However I do feel that some of the millions they are spending around the world, after all its both ZSL zoo's that are paying for this with member fee's, gate fees, donations etc that it would be nice if they put some of that back into their UK zoos, and make them more attractive, and ergo that will increase gate fees. As for the old Elephant house, I know its listed, but surely they can do something worth while with it, rather than let it rot ( Last time I looked at it closely I saw it had stalactites hang from the roof)
 
I've always wondered how much get's syphoned off from the 2 ZSL zoos to the charity side of their activities. Although the charity does some great work, get's lots of grants and obviously does a lot of fund raising, you do have to ask with almost 2m visitors a year, how come the 2 sites are in the state they are now. It does seem that Whipsnade is declining more than London, I remember visiting in the late 1980's when you would come across species hidden away off the main paths such as Kori Bustards, Peccaries, the vultures, Cereopsis geese... At least they are doing some redevelopment at London, as much as I loved the old reptile house at least they're building a new one, albeit with a much reduced collection and the Snowdon development at least preserves that amazing structure for the future, all it's been for the last 30 years is a breeding ground for Sacred Ibis, an invasive species. I hope they redevelop the rest of the North Bank, some new aviaries would be great. The old reptile house would make a great new aquarium and as for the Mappins... Sorry, I know this is the Whipsnade thread, the loss of the Sea Lions is a major blow, I remember swimming with the dolphins, but there was an example of ZSL realizing the enclosure was not suitable for dolphins, as well as a change in the law, so I guess the enclosure is going to stand there and rot, like the listed elephant house and the Discovery Centre. ZSL does seem to see itself as the UK version of the WCS, but just without the philanthropic support that organizations in the US seem to attract. The 200th anniversary is coming up soon, it would be so amazing if they could turn things around by then, new developments in turn bring in more visitors, if they can survive Covid they can survive anything, but unlike many of the endangered species they don't have, is survival enough?
 
I believe if London zoo does not have a big change in direction soon its going to reach a point where its never going to climb back from,its frustrating to see this once great collection become what it has today my concern is how much more it can slide down hill before its beyond saving
 
I've always wondered how much get's syphoned off from the 2 ZSL zoos to the charity side of their activities. Although the charity does some great work, get's lots of grants and obviously does a lot of fund raising, you do have to ask with almost 2m visitors a year, how come the 2 sites are in the state they are now. It does seem that Whipsnade is declining more than London, I remember visiting in the late 1980's when you would come across species hidden away off the main paths such as Kori Bustards, Peccaries, the vultures, Cereopsis geese... At least they are doing some redevelopment at London, as much as I loved the old reptile house at least they're building a new one, albeit with a much reduced collection and the Snowdon development at least preserves that amazing structure for the future, all it's been for the last 30 years is a breeding ground for Sacred Ibis, an invasive species. I hope they redevelop the rest of the North Bank, some new aviaries would be great. The old reptile house would make a great new aquarium and as for the Mappins... Sorry, I know this is the Whipsnade thread, the loss of the Sea Lions is a major blow, I remember swimming with the dolphins, but there was an example of ZSL realizing the enclosure was not suitable for dolphins, as well as a change in the law, so I guess the enclosure is going to stand there and rot, like the listed elephant house and the Discovery Centre. ZSL does seem to see itself as the UK version of the WCS, but just without the philanthropic support that organizations in the US seem to attract. The 200th anniversary is coming up soon, it would be so amazing if they could turn things around by then, new developments in turn bring in more visitors, if they can survive Covid they can survive anything, but unlike many of the endangered species they don't have, is survival enough?

The accounts on pages 24-26 here cover off income and expenditure and it’s clear there is less coming in than going out over time and references to cost cutting etc which would be logical I suppose but all mean both places are less developed - and london as the ‘flagship’ does seem to have more emphasis

https://www.zsl.org/sites/default/files/media/2020-10/ZSL Annual Report 2019-20.pdf

And it’s worth noting the comparatively small capital spend (on new exhibits etc) in comparison to other companies with similar budgets. Essentially there’s little emphasis on ‘growth’.

The details also break out how much goes to charity etc.

As well as finance though it is all about strategy isn’t it and it’s that that is difficult to see at Whipsnade in particular at the moment. What is whipsnade’s vision for the collection? Not sure really.
 
As well as finance though it is all about strategy isn’t it and it’s that that is difficult to see at Whipsnade in particular at the moment. What is whipsnade’s vision for the collection? Not sure really.

I don’t think ZSL knows either!

Maybe it’s time to think of a Bristol Zoo/Wild Place type strategy for London/Whipsnade for the long term. With London bogged down with so many structural/architectural/financial issues (some of its own doing!) how long will it be before it becomes untenable?
 
I don’t think ZSL knows either!

Maybe it’s time to think of a Bristol Zoo/Wild Place type strategy for London/Whipsnade for the long term. With London bogged down with so many structural/architectural/financial issues (some of its own doing!) how long will it be before it becomes untenable?

I am a fairly pro-ZSL person on these forums, but think that a focus on Whipsnade must surely be the future (or at least what I would do).
London seems to be positioning itself as an 'experience' along the lines of other 'attractions' in London (meet the animals, events pitched at young adults, the cheesy show with Josh Widdicombe over Christmas), etc, but this hasn't, so far, rebalanced the organization towards Whipsnade being their major animal collection.

First change I would make, if I was in charge, would be to restart a shuttle bus service to Whipsnade and make a combined ticket available. Just under an hour's drive. Then the bulk of the serious collection and large future developments could take place there.
 
Whipsnade’s Chief Operations Officer has released some of the zoo’s plans for the forthcoming year:

Sulawesi macaques
New reptile/amphibian area plans (2023)
3 new male Cheetah imminent
Future lion plans
More catering options
Have they confirmed if they are bringing in African lions (I’d assume the Katanga ssp, Panthera leo bleyenberghi but krugeri could also be possible) from one of the holders in Europe or the UK?
 
Whipsnade’s Chief Operations Officer has released some of the zoo’s plans for the forthcoming year:

Sulawesi macaques
New reptile/amphibian area plans (2023)
3 new male Cheetah imminent
Future lion plans
More catering options
Nice. Do you have a sourced communque or something?
 
It certainly looks hopeful doesn't it?

In some respects we’ve been here before BUT the reptile house announcement is, personally, something to look forward to. This I believe is the final “third” phase of the old Discovery Centre refurb, and I would imagine some of the stock will be ex London once the current Reptile House closes for good.

Maybe this is what will utilise the old sea lion area…
 
In some respects we’ve been here before BUT the reptile house announcement is, personally, something to look forward to. This I believe is the final “third” phase of the old Discovery Centre refurb, and I would imagine some of the stock will be ex London once the current Reptile House closes for good.

Maybe this is what will utilise the old sea lion area…

I’m fairly sure it’s already announced that the old sea lion house is going to be used to keep some of the birds in-between shows.
 
I think there was some mention of them getting some complementary species for the macaques, when the move was first mooted, as well. Not sure if this is still the plan, though.
 
Whipsnade’s Chief Operations Officer has released some of the zoo’s plans for the forthcoming year:

Sulawesi macaques
New reptile/amphibian area plans (2023)
3 new male Cheetah imminent
Future lion plans
More catering options

All good news, will be nice to see some repopulation that's for sure!

And nice to see confirmation that the Sulawesi crested macaques will be making their way to us as well, I had been a bit concerned that was 'lost'.

and a new home for Sulawesi crested macaques – a glossy-haired, forest-dwelling monkey that will be swinging its way to Whipsnade from London Zoo.
 
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