Mixed species exhibit ideas

Batto said:
If you say so. ;)

But, seriously: that's not my intention. And as you can see, it helped some to discover a (for them) new aspect about me and why I have a different approach to this matter.
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But your first and second responses were rude. Yes there are real consequences but the point of this thread is to simply answer peoples questions about mixed exhibits, not to mock them for their questions. You don’t need to give useless commentary just answer their queeste try to help them gain a better understanding of this topic.
 
Westcoastperson said:
But your first and second responses were rude. Yes there are real consequences but the point of this thread is to simply answer peoples questions about mixed exhibits, not to mock them for their questions. You don’t need to give useless commentary just answer their question [sic] try to help them gain a better understanding of this topic.
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Word of advice: please do not try to play the schoolmaster when dealing with me. Just don't; that never ends well.
Otherwise - what @Animals R AMAZING! wrote. The advice to use the search option before asking redundant questions can be most helpful.
 
Batto said:
Word of advice: please do not try to play the schoolmaster when dealing with me. Just don't; that never ends well.
Otherwise - what @Animals R AMAZING! wrote. The advice to use the search option before asking redundant questions can be most helpful.
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I agree with ARA and it has been said before that some mixes can be found through search. What have you done?
Batto said:
If they respect each other's boundaries, sure, but why? Are you planning to pitch a new sitcom idea called "Swan & Deer"?
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How is this response helpful? If your trying to help teach people about the issues with unnecessary mixes I understand but this is no way to do it. I do hope when your doing a presentation with snakes and a person asks if it’s poisonous you don’t reply with “Did Vlad the Impaler kill people with fire?” It does nothing to educate people and causes people to stray away from asking questions. Yes if you can please use the search feature first but if you genuinely don’t know the answer then it is ok to come here for help. And @Batto if you don’t want to reply to people here I’m a civil matter then please don’t.
 
Westcoastperson said:
I agree with ARA and it has been said before that some mixes can be found through search. What have you done?
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Technically Batto implied what I said even before I did, here:
Batto said:
Some of the questions (and answers) reveal more about the knowledge level of their authors than the latter might wish to reveal...

A lot of recent questions could be answered with little effort by using the search option. Among others, there are literally pages of discussions regarding chimps in mixed species exhibits (and why it is a bad idea).

Mixing suids with great apes isn't a good idea, either.
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Westcoastperson said:
How is this response helpful? If your trying to help teach people about the issues with unnecessary mixes I understand but this is no way to do it. I do hope when your doing a presentation with snakes and a person asks if it’s poisonous you don’t reply with “Did Vlad the Impaler kill people with fire?” It does nothing to educate people and causes people to stray away from asking questions. Yes if you can please use the search feature first but if you genuinely don’t know the answer then it is ok to come here for help. And @Batto if you don’t want to reply to people here I’m a civil matter then please don’t.
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I find it ironic that you were initially concerned with Batto being rude when you're being kinda rude here by saying Batto hasn't contributed anything to this thread. I completely trust a lot of things they post on here because they have lots of experience with this sort of thing, definitely much more than most of us on here.

Yes, Batto's posts are not super sweet or anything but they definitely aren't terribly rude or anything. I see nothing wrong with their way of teaching people about these issues, it was simply said in a more humorous manner. In this case, I don't mind Batto's *snarkier* responses as the member who posted the original question is notorious for asking a bunch of questions without doing any research of his own, whatsoever. Batto is simply teaching members like these to actually do something on their own prior to coming to ZC and shooting out questions every 2 seconds.

I don't mean to be rude here either, I promise, and I think we are all on the same side here so let's not make this a big deal :). Moral of the story here (for all members), is to use the resources given to you (aka the entirety of ZC) and do at least a little research on your own before you come here and posts a bunch of questions.
 
Animals R AMAZING! said:
I find it ironic that you were initially concerned with Batto being rude when you're being kinda rude here by saying Batto hasn't contributed anything to this thread. I completely trust a lot of things they post on here because they have lots of experience with this sort of thing, definitely much more than most of us on here.

Yes, Batto's posts are not super sweet or anything but they definitely aren't terribly rude or anything. I see nothing wrong with their way of teaching people about these issues, it was simply said in a more humorous manner. In this case, I don't mind Batto's *snarkier* responses as the member who posted the original question is notorious for asking a bunch of questions without doing any research of his own, whatsoever. Batto is simply teaching members like these to actually do something on their own prior to coming to ZC and shooting out questions every 2 seconds.
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I find it amusing that in a thread about mixed species ideas a bunch of kids and people who don't work in zoos are arguing with a guy who runs a zoo about what will and won't work. His zoo is mostly ectotherms, but that doesn't mean he's lacking in other information.
 
LionTamarin said:
I also wanted to mention that i'm working on a database of mixed species in google docs, and you guys can totally help :)
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So you're going to list out the millions of mixed species habitats that have been done in zoos throughout the world? Good luck. Ungulates alone took up over 100 pages in the AZA Mixed Species Manual... let alone the tons of other mammal, bird, reptile, and amphibian species. Sounds like a very difficult if not impossible task to me but there's no harm in trying, I guess.
 
Animals R AMAZING! said:
So you're going to list out the millions of mixed species habitats that have been done in zoos throughout the world? Good luck. Ungulates alone took up over 100 pages in the AZA Mixed Species Manual... let alone the tons of other mammal, bird, reptile, and amphibian species. Sounds like a very difficult if not impossible task to me but there's no harm in trying, I guess.
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Ok, maybe just a database of animals in US zoos would be more simple.
 
LionTamarin said:
Royal Woods Zoo & Aquarium Species List

Don't mind the name, it's one of my former fantasy zoos that I gave up on.
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Yeah... don't want to discourage you but even US zoo mixes will be pretty difficult and considering you haven't even completed a single species, this might take you a very long time ;)

LionTamarin said:
Eh, I'm not very good with google sheets.
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It's not that difficult and it would look a lot more neat and organized... I would try it out, most of it is rather self-explanatory.
 
LionTamarin said:
I mean, I'd probably rather do a zoo animal database for US zoos. It would be a little easier, but still challenging.
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Challenging is an understatement - without doing any research at all I could probably give you twenty plus pages of mixed exhibits off the top of my head. I've looked at multiple very lengthy mixed species documents, and can say with great certainty that trying to assimilate even just mammals, birds, reptiles, and amphibians would be monumental. Many species of birds and hoofstock are kept with 50-70 or more species across the hundreds of US zoos.
 
LionTamarin said:
I mean, I'd probably rather do a zoo animal database for US zoos. It would be a little easier, but still challenging.
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Okay... so looking at the edits you just made to the doc, I'm guessing you're going to list all holders for every single species.

We've been over this in other threads, it's close to impossible to create a ZTL type of database for US zoos because they're a lot more secretive. And we're not even considering private collections, there is no way you will be able to find complete collection lists of private holders. Even mammals will be difficult, let alone herps and birds... Besides, there are tons of threads on ZC that list holders for certain groups of animals. Great Argus, for example, has created tons of threads like these for numerous bird genera.

Hate to burst your bubble, but all of these "projects" you're trying to do are all way too ambitious, I wish you luck in completing any of these.
 
Animals R AMAZING! said:
Technically Batto implied what I said even before I did, here:


I find it ironic that you were initially concerned with Batto being rude when you're being kinda rude here by saying Batto hasn't contributed anything to this thread. I completely trust a lot of things they post on here because they have lots of experience with this sort of thing, definitely much more than most of us on here.

Yes, Batto's posts are not super sweet or anything but they definitely aren't terribly rude or anything. I see nothing wrong with their way of teaching people about these issues, it was simply said in a more humorous manner. In this case, I don't mind Batto's *snarkier* responses as the member who posted the original question is notorious for asking a bunch of questions without doing any research of his own, whatsoever. Batto is simply teaching members like these to actually do something on their own prior to coming to ZC and shooting out questions every 2 seconds.

I don't mean to be rude here either, I promise, and I think we are all on the same side here so let's not make this a big deal :). Moral of the story here (for all members), is to use the resources given to you (aka the entirety of ZC) and do at least a little research on your own before you come here and posts a bunch of questions.
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I know he mentioned it earlier he just brought it up in the comment and I wanted to reinforce that I agreed. I’m sorry if I come off as rude that’s my mistake but I just find ut so counterproductive to explain things to people like that. I know Batto is a professional and they have shown in the past that they are knowledgeable in the subject and so I openly accept their comments in this thread. The responses that have been given get the point across well but overall discourage people from asking questions. Yes I am with both of you that people need to do their own research before asking a question here but if you look back that is a topic that has come up many times and every time we have treated with respect and dignity so I ask you both do the same.
LionTamarin said:
I mean, I'd probably rather do a zoo animal database for US zoos. It would be a little easier, but still challenging.
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Just creating a rarity list for the South West is daunting, I can give you what I have collected. What I suggest is you copy and paste (with proper credit of course) from the North American species lists. There should be a thread with all of them in either the NA or USA galleries.
 
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