Animals that don't fit the theme of their exhibits

NATY

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In one of my local zoos, the River Safari, there's a huge Yangtze River area. Chinese alligators were once part of it but very recently, they got moved to the main zoo and now there's a false gharial living there, which doesn't live anywhere near China.

I also know lots of American zoos have Amur leopards in African sections (Ik Amur leopards are critically endangered so they're more important to have in captivity but I was surprised that African leopards are almost completely absent from zoos)
 
Maybe this thread can be used for animals that don't fit the theme other than geographically, and the other for geographically only. For example, a non-poisonous animal in a poisonous animal area (this happened in Faunia for example, with many tropical reef fishes in the Venom section), or a non-endangered species in a thematic area about endangered species. Or even, wild animal species in petting farms.

By the way, I would don't consider the leopard as incorrect geographically. They're just common leopards anyway, so the species matches correctly in an African themed area.
 
They're just common leopards anyway, so the species matches correctly in an African themed area.

Oh no, not this again. Amur leopards are a completely different subspecies to the leopards that live in Africa - there are major morphological differences between African and Amur leopards and so by definition it is geographically incorrect to house a leopard from Far-Eastern Russia with animals from Sub-Saharan Africa.
 
To add to that, recent genetic research suggests that the African and Asian leopard populations could potentially be species of their own, though the subject itself is very messy (as with how taxonomy is)

More likely that IUCN will lump the Asian ssp. together like with tigers to please Russia and China. Having said that I wouldn’t be in favour of a Asian-African split unless a proper case for it is put forward though it is a tricky subject for sure. The Sunda-Mainland cloudie split has somewhat set the ball rolling throughout the Pantherinae…
 
Oh no, not this again. Amur leopards are a completely different subspecies to the leopards that live in Africa - there are major morphological differences between African and Amur leopards and so by definition it is geographically incorrect to house a leopard from Far-Eastern Russia with animals from Sub-Saharan Africa.

If they were not different they don't would be subspecies. Obviosly nothing in my previous reply changes. They're just common leopards anyway so they match perfectly in an African themed exhibit. By definition is incorrect to being so obnoxiously obsessed by subspecies of big cats (and not by any other animals) as for being so tricky thinking in if they match or not a geographical area. Just the zillions tons of zoochatters that mention if a tiger is Siberian or Sumatran or Bengal or whatever made me sick, especially when they use the words "generic tiger". It's tiger, just tiger, and it's just common leopard. Or if you want to give importance to a so banal taxon as are subspecies, then at least be concordat and do it equally for all other animals - something that even zootierliste fails to do, as they often don't indicate subspecies for small animals like herptiles or rodents. Having an Amur leopard in Africa section should not strike you more than a Moroccan or a Japanese great cormorant in an European exhibit, or a Poland common European praying mantis in a mediterranean-themed exhibit.
 
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Obviosly nothing in my previous reply changes. They're just common leopards anyway so they match perfectly in an African themed exhibit. By definition is incorrect to being so obnoxiously obsessed by subspecies of big cats (and not by any other animals) as for being so tricky thinking in if they match or not a geographical area.

As I’ve had to deal with this kind of argument more than once I’ll just regurgitate what I’ve said before:

Species and subspecies are separate for a reason. Because they have evolved, for hundreds of thousands of years, to develop different characteristics to adapt to the habitats they find themselves in. An African leopard would not survive for long in the Russian winter, and vice versa for example.

If you breed animals of a different species or even subspecies together you are, by definition, completely undoing the evolutionary process that has been undertaken by those species or subspecies. So yes, it is important that we respect this evolutionary process.

While parts of this perhaps aren’t directly relevant, I’m sure you can understand that an Amur leopard is not the same thing as an African leopard and that breeding them together undoes so much evolutionary progress.

Just the zillions tons of zoochatters that mention if a tiger is Siberian or Sumatran or Bengal or whatever made me sick, especially when they use the words "generic tiger". It's tiger, just tiger, and it's just common leopard. Or if you want to give importance to a so banal taxon as are subspecies, then at least be concordat and do it equally for all other animals - something that even zootierliste fails to do, as they often don't indicate subspecies for small animals like herptiles or rodents.

Whether a taxon is banal to you or not is irrelevant. And I do think it should be equal for other animals. The problem with indicating ssp for rodents and herptiles is that there has been less research into them and so suggested ssp are rarely backed up with studies. This means that generally rodents and herptiles have far fewer legitimate ssp than mammals and birds even though of course there are a few examples.

Having an Amur leopard in Africa section should not strike you more than a Moroccan or a Japanese great cormorant in an European exhibit, or a Poland common European praying mantis in a mediterranean-themed exhibit.

It’s not the same. With the cormorants, the biomes in which the different subspecies live are quite similar and the same goes for the mantis. Amur leopards live in the freezing Russian forest, African leopards live in Sub-Saharan Africa. Taxonomically your examples are more or less similar (even though as noted above there is potential for two separate P.pardus species) but morpholgically and geographically nothing alike. A Moroccan cormorant could easily survive in Europe, a Japanese cormorant would do just fine too I’d suspect. A Polish praying mantis could easily survive in Italy or Southern France. But there is no way an African leopard would persist in Far-Eastern Russia.
 
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