Asian Elephants in Europe 2022

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The Hedgehog said:
@ZCChip do you know the due date of Sundara’s Calf? Sundara is already a prolific breeder. For a Cowe to only be 18 and be pregnant with her 4th Calf is impressive.
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It’s just a guess as she’s their only breeding female as indianRhino said. If they are not planning to breed Sundara anymore, they would have sent Aung Bo away. But he is there for the vaccination trails also so why not?

with only two living calves I wouldn’t call Sundara a prolific breeder. Aung Bo has only three living calves.
 
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ZCChip said:
It’s just a guess as she’s their only breeding female as indianRhino said. If they are not planning to breed Sundara anymore, they would have sent Aung Bo away. But he is there for the vaccination trails also so why not?
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Sundara is their only breeding female too, so if they want to continue to grow the herd, she'll need to be breed from. Aung Bo only has three living offspring as well (all under the age of six), so they'll be wanting to continue breeding from him too rather than replacing him. A replacement might be needed within the next five years or so if they wish to breed from Indali.
 
Jambo said:
Sundara is their only breeding female too, so if they want to continue to grow the herd, she'll need to be breed from. Aung Bo only has three living offspring as well (all under the age of six), so they'll be wanting to continue breeding from him too rather than replacing him. A replacement might be needed within the next five years or so if they wish to breed from Indali.
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Oh, they will want to breed from the younger sisters.
 
ZCChip said:
Oh, they will want to breed from the younger sisters.
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Sundara and her daughters represent an exciting opportunity to restore Chester's herd to what it once was (with multiple reproductive females).

Many of us are hopeful that Indali is immune to the strain of EEHV she contracted and will join Sundara as a second breeding female in a few years; but it's important to be mindful Riva is now in the high risk period for contracting EEHV and it would be complacent to assume she'll survive to breed.

With that in mind, another daughter from Aung Bo and Sundara would be a reassuring contingency should something happen to Sundara or her daughters, though of course we hope it won't. A bull calf is of course a possibility here too.
 
Zoofan15 said:
Sundara and her daughters represent an exciting opportunity to restore Chester's herd to what it once was (with multiple reproductive females).

Many of us are hopeful that Indali is immune to the strain of EEHV she contracted and will join Sundara as a second breeding female in a few years; but it's important to be mindful Riva is now in the high risk period for contracting EEHV and it would be complacent to assume she'll survive to breed.

With that in mind, another daughter from Aung Bo and Sundara would be a reassuring contingency should something happen to Sundara or her daughters, though of course we hope it won't. A bull calf is of course a possibility here too.
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Oh I agree.
Let’s hope the elephant community has a better handle on the virus if Chester has an episode again. Knock on wood.
 
Zoofan15 said:
Sundara and her daughters represent an exciting opportunity to restore Chester's herd to what it once was (with multiple reproductive females).

Many of us are hopeful that Indali is immune to the strain of EEHV she contracted and will join Sundara as a second breeding female in a few years; but it's important to be mindful Riva is now in the high risk period for contracting EEHV and it would be complacent to assume she'll survive to breed.

With that in mind, another daughter from Aung Bo and Sundara would be a reassuring contingency should something happen to Sundara or her daughters, though of course we hope it won't. A bull calf is of course a possibility here too.
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@Zoofan15 from other Asian Elephants that have survived EEHV, I would say Indali’s now immune,or at least has antibodies to fight against it. Many EEHV survivors are now past the danger age and very well. Thease include Jade and Maliha at St Louis Zoo,Scott who was born at Whipsnade and now lives abroad,Doc at an American Zoo and Zinda at Dublin. These are just some survivors who are perfectly fine and out of the danger age.
 
The Hedgehog said:
@Zoofan15 from other Asian Elephants that have survived EEHV, I would say Indali’s now immune,or at least has antibodies to fight against it. Many EEHV survivors are now past the danger age and very well. Thease include Jade and Maliha at St Louis Zoo,Scott who was born at Whipsnade and now lives abroad,Doc at an American Zoo and Zinda at Dublin. These are just some survivors who are perfectly fine and out of the danger age.
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The other poster is talking about the younger sister, Riva Hi Way. She is three years old, I believe.

so if Riva is 3 we can expect another calf later this year or next. 2024 at the latest.
 
ZCChip said:
The other poster is talking about the younger sister, Riva Hi Way. She is three years old, I believe.

so if Riva is 3 we can expect another calf later this year or next. 2024 at the latest.
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Riva is two. It's likely Sundara is either in early stages of pregnancy or will be getting pregnant very soon. A calf would probably be born late 2023 at earliest.
 
Okavango said:
Upali has already reproduced a lot, it is genetically sufficiently present. I think Maurice's physique is not impressive enough for dominant females. Po Chin cannot be introduced to Planckendael, two of the young females are his half-sisters. The same is true for Sibu which has several genetic parents in Planckendael. Thai is interesting but Aung Bo's eldest daughter will mature before Thai's, the priority in the next two years is to move Aung Bo. And I think the plan is to continue breeding Tonsak in Kolmarden as long as Bua is still breeding.
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Upali hasn't many living offspirngs : 1 at Chester (Sundara), 2 in Australia, 5 in Dublin, some of wich will go to the USA and 1 at Le Pal. And his father's legacy isn't really big, so Upali is still a really important bull in my opinion.

Thai is going to be one of the main breeders in Europe I think, because he breeds really well in Zurich and has a big potential. I wouldn't be astonished if Thai moves in several zoos during his lifetime.

Aungo Bo could maybe be sent to a bachelor group for a short time, as he has really well bred in Chester and has a lot of half-brothers and half-sisters. The legacy of Naing Thein is quite big.
 
Regarding a possible pregnancy of Sundara, dont forget that the EEP wants to limit the number of calves at the moment and therefore requires a gap of approx. 6 years between calves.

Regarding the new bull for Planckendael, there are too many options to speculate. The EEP has the good fortune of having many breeding bulls and even more young bulls in the right age to become breeding males from many different bloodlines abailible. Too many for usefull guesses.
 
ZCChip said:
The other poster is talking about the younger sister, Riva Hi Way. She is three years old, I believe.

so if Riva is 3 we can expect another calf later this year or next. 2024 at the latest.
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Yes, I was referring to Riva Hi Way. She turned two years old earlier this year (DOB 26/02/2020), so she is currently in the high risk age bracket for contracting EEHV. Having these two sisters close in age is such an asset to the herd, so I hope she makes it through this nerve wracking time.

Potentially, Sundara could give birth as early as next year. Cows can have birth intervals between surviving calves of just under three years; though as @Yassa mentions, they may opt for a larger gap. This could mean breeding Aung Bo and Sundara in 2024 (calf born 2026); or waiting for a new bull to mate with Sundara and her daughters.
 
Fahim has met the females in Copenhagen. He's only supposed to stay for a few times before going to Lodz, but the fact that he has been introduced to the herd could maybe show that he will stay a bit longer...
 
Gil said:
Fahim has met the females in Copenhagen. He's only supposed to stay for a few times before going to Lodz, but the fact that he has been introduced to the herd could maybe show that he will stay a bit longer...
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maybe breeding is planned?
 
Can anyone tell me if Indali’s now immune to EEHV as if she is could she carry it? I mean could her Calf’s contract it?
 
The Hedgehog said:
Can anyone tell me if Indali’s now immune to EEHV as if she is could she carry it? I mean could her Calf’s contract it?
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She is most likely immune to the strain of EEHV she had when she was younger but she is still not of the danger zone, her could 99.9% contract EEHV as is it present in ALL elephants
 
ZCChip said:
asha at the Oklahoma City zoo had EEHV and has 3 living calves. Her first passed away due to EEHV.
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At the end of the day, Indali's calves will be exposed to the wider herd so they could easily contract it from one of them; if not Indali, who would at least be an asymptomatic carrier.

Being optimistic, research into a vaccine may well have progressed significantly in the next eight or so years before we see Indali with a juvenile aged calf.

In the meantime, Chester are one of the most proactive in the world for checking for early signs of this virus taking hold. This gives me hope Riva and future calves will benefit from early detection as Indali previously did.
 
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