Australasian Asian Elephant Population 2022

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On that topic, it throws up another reason why this was discounted in that it would leave Burma alone for that period of time (ironic considering her current situation); as well as placing Anjalee in a situation where her options would be to live alongside the matriarchal herd without direct contact or being integrated with them and then removed (disruptive). Two cows sent for breeding may be considered, but sending Burma purely for companionship, definitely not.

Burma, luckily is an elephant who’s unfortunately used to being by herself, and has somewhat adapted to this and does in fact prefer her on space.

Twycross got around this, by sending two cows to Chester together. At least then they weren’t introduced to a herd by themselves.
 
Burma, luckily is an elephant who’s unfortunately used to being by herself, and has somewhat adapted to this and does in fact prefer her on space.

Twycross got around this, by sending two cows to Chester together. At least then they weren’t introduced to a herd by themselves.

Burma is loving having her keeper’s attention all to herself. She enjoyed Anjalee’s company, but they were never close having lacked the matriarchal bond that elephants in a herd would usually have. Ultimately I think the age difference caused a chasm between them as they were otherwise suited personality wise.
 
Burma is loving having her keeper’s attention all to herself. She enjoyed Anjalee’s company, but they were never close having lacked the matriarchal bond that elephants in a herd would usually have. Ultimately I think the age difference caused a chasm between them as they were otherwise suited personality wise.

I feel she’s probably the best cow in this region to be in this situation. Others would not react so well.

Permai at Perth is hopefully doing well, but considering she was incredibly close to Tricia, I’d imagine she’d be grieving much more than Burma. I think it’s vital a decision is made surrounding her very soon. Sending Burma to join her is a no brainer- there’s no reason why it shouldn’t happen.
 
I feel she’s probably the best cow in this region to be in this situation. Others would not react so well.

Permai at Perth is hopefully doing well, but considering she was incredibly close to Tricia, I’d imagine she’d be grieving much more than Burma. I think it’s vital a decision is made surrounding her very soon. Sending Burma to join her is a no brainer- there’s no reason why it shouldn’t happen.

The difference between Burma and Permai is that Burma has previously lived for six years on her own (and coped), while Permai has lived under Tricia’s guidance since she was three years old. She apparently grieved for only a short period for Teduh (versus Tricia who grieved for a year), but being on her own suddenly will have come as a shock.

Hopefully Burma can be sent there in the near future to provide them both with some companionship.
 
Kashin the elephant:

The zoo’s 1970’s timeline shows some interesting news articles on Kashin the elephant. Click the “learn more” button on Kashin’s picture and scroll through the many articles at the bottom of the tab: Timeline

What was most interesting was the note that Kashin had never seen another elephant besides her mother prior to arriving from the Dusit Zoo in 1972. While Ma Schwe was affectionate towards Kashin, Kashin initially wasn’t interested in having Ma Schwe as an aunt.

Ma Schwe and Kashin’s were only four years apart in age and during their almost 10 years years together before Ma Schwe’s death at the age of 18 years, they grew close. Ma Schwe was firmly in charge however and very possessive of her favourite enrichment item (a tyre).

I’d therefore assess Kashin initial indifference towards Burma to be as a result of her lack of socialisation, combined with the fact Burma was an adolescent. Kashin reportedly doted on the three year old Koru when they were introduced and grieved heavily following her death later that year.
 
Kashin’s records:

The elephant database gives very little detail on Kashin’s background other than that she was born at the Dusit Zoo (Thailand) in 1968. She’s listed as the facility’s only birth and no details on parentage are recorded.

Dusit Zoo had a bull named Plai Kaeo (born 1951 in the wild) transfer between the zoo and various palaces over this time period. He left the zoo for the last time in 1976, having been sent there sometime after 1958. He’s a likely candidate for being Kashin’s father as it’s unlikely the zoo would have multiple bulls on site. Click on this link to see a photo of his immense tusks: Plai Kaeo (Phra Savet Adulyadej Phahnon) at Klai Kangwon Palace in Thailand - Elephant Encyclopedia and Database

Various cows can be ruled out as Kashin’s mother due to dates, but I did find something interesting - one of the cows that lived at this zoo was Samorn. She was born 1950 in the wild and was sent to Adelaide Zoo in 1956, after having lived at the Dusit Zoo for a brief time.
 
Some interesting info i've found on Melbourne's elephants:

1. Bong Su actually mated with Mek Kapah.

Now this is surprising. An article details Bong Su mating with Mek Kapah but her never falling pregnant. The keepers believed it was due to her being held in 1.1 pair, which was unnatural and may have caused her stress.

Due to this, Melbourne planned to import three female elephants of the same age as Mek Kapah. This article was from 1998, and the reason for the importation of older females was due to the future of elephants in zoos being up in the air. It allowed them to assess keeping elephants in the meantime; as they planned to hold a non breeding herd.

This of course was changed just a few years later as I found an article from 2001, detailing they wanted to import three breeding females with the construction of a new complex.

2. Melbourne considered sending Peggy to Werribee

Apparently, Peggy got into fights with Bong Su as he grew older. It got too severe, and at one point Bong Su pushed Peggy into the moat, almost killing her. From then on, Peggy was separated from the main herd (Bong Su and Mek Kapah) and was confined to a tiny off display pen behind the elephant house. Her welfare was considered, and they were considering a move of her to Werribee to give her adequate space. The concern though was her age. She was in her late 50's, and a move would be incredibly costly as would be the building of a completely new enclosure which would be empty once she died (which would've been sooner rather than later). Before any major decisions could be made, Peggy died in 1988, aged 57.
 
Some interesting info i've found on Melbourne's elephants:

1. Bong Su actually mated with Mek Kapah.

Now this is surprising. An article details Bong Su mating with Mek Kapah but her never falling pregnant. The keepers believed it was due to her being held in 1.1 pair, which was unnatural and may have caused her stress.

Due to this, Melbourne planned to import three female elephants of the same age as Mek Kapah. This article was from 1998, and the reason for the importation of older females was due to the future of elephants in zoos being up in the air. It allowed them to assess keeping elephants in the meantime; as they planned to hold a non breeding herd.

This of course was changed just a few years later as I found an article from 2001, detailing they wanted to import three breeding females with the construction of a new complex.

2. Melbourne considered sending Peggy to Werribee

Apparently, Peggy got into fights with Bong Su as he grew older. It got too severe, and at one point Bong Su pushed Peggy into the moat, almost killing her. From then on, Peggy was separated from the main herd (Bong Su and Mek Kapah) and was confined to a tiny off display pen behind the elephant house. Her welfare was considered, and they were considering a move of her to Werribee to give her adequate space. The concern though was her age. She was in her late 50's, and a move would be incredibly costly as would be the building of a completely new enclosure which would be empty once she died (which would've been sooner rather than later). Before any major decisions could be made, Peggy died in 1988, aged 57.

I’m very surprised to hear of Bong Su mounting Mek Kepah given there was never any natural mating between him and the three cows from Thailand. Dokoon and Num Oi clearly weren’t behavioural non breeders given their success with Luk Chai.

There would have been very little chance of Mek Kepah conceiving given they were housed in a 1.1 pair. I was given a similar answer when I asked about Jamuna (1917-1965) and Rajah (1917-1936), who were housed together at Auckland Zoo from 1930-1936 without producing a calf. Rajah was approximately seven years old upon capture, so it’s reasonable to assume he wasn’t a behavioural non breeders.

Keeping Bong Su with the cows really highlights how far husbandry of this species has come in recent decades. Namely the acknowledgment that bulls must be held separately from the cows, who need to live in reasonable sized matriarchal herds.
 
I’m very surprised to hear of Bong Su mounting Mek Kepah given there was never any natural mating between him and the three cows from Thailand. Dokoon and Num Oi clearly weren’t behavioural non breeders given their success with Luk Chai.

There would have been very little chance of Mek Kepah conceiving given they were housed in a 1.1 pair. I was given a similar answer when I asked about Jamuna (1917-1965) and Rajah (1917-1936), who were housed together at Auckland Zoo from 1930-1936 without producing a calf. Rajah was approximately seven years old upon capture, so it’s reasonable to assume he wasn’t a behavioural non breeders.

Keeping Bong Su with the cows really highlights how far husbandry of this species has come in recent decades. Namely the acknowledgment that bulls must be held separately from the cows, who need to live in reasonable sized matriarchal herds.

I too was incredibly surprised to hear that. That shows that he wasn't a behavioural non breeder; he just didn't mate with the younger thai cows. It may have been as simple as he was only mated with Mek Kapah (who he was close with, and grew up with), and he didn't elect to mate with the thai girls who he didn't really know well. Another theory revolves around his arthritis. He may have been in significant pain on his hind legs when mating.
 
I’m very surprised to hear of Bong Su mounting Mek Kepah given there was never any natural mating between him and the three cows from Thailand. Dokoon and Num Oi clearly weren’t behavioural non breeders given their success with Luk Chai.

There would have been very little chance of Mek Kepah conceiving given they were housed in a 1.1 pair. I was given a similar answer when I asked about Jamuna (1917-1965) and Rajah (1917-1936), who were housed together at Auckland Zoo from 1930-1936 without producing a calf. Rajah was approximately seven years old upon capture, so it’s reasonable to assume he wasn’t a behavioural non breeders.

Keeping Bong Su with the cows really highlights how far husbandry of this species has come in recent decades. Namely the acknowledgment that bulls must be held separately from the cows, who need to live in reasonable sized matriarchal herds.
I saw some tv footage some years ago showing that Bong Su did semi mount Mek Kepah from what I can remember he put his front legs on her back end but that as far as it went, wether he did more than this another time I can't be sure!
 
I saw some tv footage some years ago showing that Bong Su did semi mount Mek Kepah from what I can remember he put his front legs on her back end but that as far as it went, wether he did more than this another time I can't be sure!

That would sound about right. It's not like Bong Su didn't know how to mate whatsoever, he still knew somewhat how, but of course it would've been a learning experience from him as he'd never seen a bull mate a cow before.
 
I saw some tv footage some years ago showing that Bong Su did semi mount Mek Kepah from what I can remember he put his front legs on her back end but that as far as it went, wether he did more than this another time I can't be sure!

I believe Melbourne Zoo were quite hopeful of a successful mating given they undertook a semen analysis of Bong Su around this time, which identified him as a highly fertile bull. I’m glad he was able to pass on his genes following the import of the cows in 2006.

I imagine given the ages of the younger cows (five and six), they would have been keen to avoid Bong Su mounting them; but there’s no reason he couldn’t have been bred with Dokoon.

A number of zoos were keen to claim the first mating of elephants in an Australian zoo. Perth Zoo claimed to achieve this in 2005; while Taronga Western Plains Zoo recorded a mating between their African elephants in 1986.
 
I believe Melbourne Zoo were quite hopeful of a successful mating given they undertook a semen analysis of Bong Su around this time, which identified him as a highly fertile bull. I’m glad he was able to pass on his genes following the import of the cows in 2006.

I imagine given the ages of the younger cows (five and six), they would have been keen to avoid Bong Su mounting them; but there’s no reason he couldn’t have been bred with Dokoon.

A number of zoos were keen to claim the first mating of elephants in an Australian zoo. Perth Zoo claimed to achieve this in 2005; while Taronga Western Plains Zoo recorded a mating between their African elephants in 1986.
It's a real shame TWPZ never bred at least one calf considering they did end up with four cows and two bulls.
 
I imagine given the ages of the younger cows (five and six), they would have been keen to avoid Bong Su mounting them; but there’s no reason he couldn’t have been bred with Dokoon.

Also, Dokkoon was a rather short female at the time for her age. Only half the size of Mek Kapah, despite being 13. She's grown a lot over the last decade, but she initially was quite a small female (a late bloomer) much like Num Oi.

A number of zoos were keen to claim the first mating of elephants in an Australian zoo. Perth Zoo claimed to achieve this in 2005; while Taronga Western Plains Zoo recorded a mating between their African elephants in 1986.

Well, Bong Su apparently mated Mek Kapah in the 90's, so Melbourne may very well have had the first mating of Asian elephants in the region.
 
It's a real shame TWPZ never bred at least one calf considering they did end up with four cows and two bulls.

Even if we consider David a write off due to his health, they still had a proven breeding bull and four young cows. It’s baffling they never saw success with this herd.

1.0 Congo (1958): Arrived 1983, died 2000
0.1 Yum Yum (1969): Arrived 1977, died 2010
0.1 Cuddles (1973): Arrived 1977, died 2017
0.1 Cheri (1974): Arrived 1977, died 2007
0.1 Toto (1968): Arrived 1983, died 1984
 
Even if we consider David a write off due to his health, they still had a proven breeding bull and four young cows. It’s baffling they never saw success with this herd.

1.0 Congo (1958): Arrived 1983, died 2000
0.1 Yum Yum (1969): Arrived 1977, died 2010
0.1 Cuddles (1973): Arrived 1977, died 2017
0.1 Cheri (1974): Arrived 1977, died 2007
0.1 Toto (1968): Arrived 1983, died 1984
I believe they were taking advice from elephant keepers at the Toronto zoo who had success with their 1M 8F. herd which appeared not to of helped much.
 
I believe they were taking advice from elephant keepers at the Toronto zoo who had success with their 1M 8F. herd which appeared not to of helped much.

As of 1986, the extent of the zoo’s efforts was to monitor the interactions between the fence line and allow the bull in with the cows if interest was particularly high. They hoped to chart this behaviour in an attempt to predict the female’s ovulation cycle.

Apparently only one mating had been observed at that point, so perhaps some of the cows were behavioural non breeders given the bull was proven and mated one of the cows. Had there been success with this herd and a succession within the herd created, I’d anticipate the current regional population would be looking very different right now.
 
As of 1986, the extent of the zoo’s efforts was to monitor the interactions between the fence line and allow the bull in with the cows if interest was particularly high. They hoped to chart this behaviour in an attempt to predict the female’s ovulation cycle.

Apparently only one mating had been observed at that point, so perhaps some of the cows were behavioural non breeders given the bull was proven and mated one of the cows. Had there been success with this herd and a succession within the herd created, I’d anticipate the current regional population would be looking very different right now.
It would be interesting to know if Congo had any breeding history before he was exported from the USA I remember they were stating he was the largest captive African elephant bull in any zoo at the time.
 
It would be interesting to know if Congo had any breeding history before he was exported from the USA I remember they were stating he was the largest captive African elephant bull in any zoo at the time.

Congo sired three offspring to two different cows prior to his export:

1.0 Unnamed (1980-1980) Stillborn
1.0 Diamond (1980-1994) Castrated, died at 14 years
1.0 Unnamed (1982-1982) Died at two days

He was clearly a successful breeder and yes, I’ve also heard there was much hype around his size.
 
Just to address two points mentioned in this thread (animals not breeding when housed in pairs, and small cows avoiding large bulls); both of these statements are stretches at best, and one is completely incorrect.

In regards to small cows avoiding large bulls, this is quite the opposite actually, particularly with wild animals. Generally only the largest, most dominant, physically imposing bulls will be successfully breeding the cows, and this includes the little 8-10 year old cows conceiving their first pregnancies (which bear in mind, are physically very similar to captive cows around the 5-7 year age mark). This also stands true in captivity and has been proven numerous times (mainly there are significant age differences, but one or two cases are just massive size differences as well), examples being 26 year old Ankhor breeding his 3.5 year old daughter and producing a calf, massive 15000+ pound bull Radza breeding 8 year old Ma Ya Yee and producing a calf, 23 year old Nikolai breeding his 4.5 year old daughter, who is half bornean, to produce a calf, large 14 year old bull Thai breeding 4 year old Omysha and producing a calf, 30+ year old motek breeding his 5 year old daughter and producing a pregnancy, etc...and those are just the ones that produced calves. Lots and lots of young cows will allow the resident mature bull to mount and copulate with them, even if it doesn't result in successful pregnancy. Of course a young cow who has never seen a large bull before might initially be cautious of seeing one for the first time, but even if that's the case, they're usually the first ones to start opening up to them (in cases where the adult cows are scared as well), or come around very quickly (in situations where the older cows are fine with bulls)

Also as for elephants not breeding when housed in pairs, this is utter hogwash, especially without context. Two calves pulled from their mothers at 2 years of age and housed together for the rest of their lives? Sure, there's a chance they might not breed, especially if its a more sensitive male with a more belligerent female; but there's just as much a chance they could become an incredibly prolific breeding pair. Assuming there isn't another more dominant bull suppressing them, and they know what to do, most bulls are more than happy to breed a cycling cow regardless if she is that bulls only other companion or not. Of course if you have a bull raised in a poor social environment he might never figure out how to breed a cow, but regardless if he is housed as part of a pair, or with a whole herd of proven cows, he still won't breed any of them.

Although its not particularly common in this day and age, breeding pairs can be and are successful, for instance Assam and Angele at Budapest who have produced three calves together, and Mac and Zuze at Kobe who have produced 4 calves together. There's a few others where its been a young pair housed with a single older cow, and in those cases you know they older cow hasn't contributed anything, its purely the two youngsters who figured things out on their own.
 
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