Australasian Exotic Mammal Species in Decline

I'm not sure why you think that sloth bear are doing well in Europe and the US. From what I understand both populations are different subspecies, difficult to obtain new blood and only in small numbers. Sun bears are held in more European zoos, although they are far from common. I would think that Asian black bear would be a more logical choice if the region's zoos dump sun bears (I don't think they should). Could tap into the large captive population throughout Asia.
Equally if you think fishing cats are poorly suited to displays, then you'll be disappointed with cloudies. Very secretive and hard to crack breeding unless you get the set-up right (mostly a choice of mates and off-display). Personally can't see why it has to be one or the other.
 
I'm not sure why you think that sloth bear are doing well in Europe and the US. From what I understand both populations are different subspecies, difficult to obtain new blood and only in small numbers. Sun bears are held in more European zoos, although they are far from common. I would think that Asian black bear would be a more logical choice if the region's zoos dump sun bears (I don't think they should). Could tap into the large captive population throughout Asia.
Equally if you think fishing cats are poorly suited to displays, then you'll be disappointed with cloudies. Very secretive and hard to crack breeding unless you get the set-up right (mostly a choice of mates and off-display). Personally can't see why it has to be one or the other.
Is it not part of the problem that a lot of species in out regional zoos are now limited to low numbers like only having 2 lemur species, One Langur species (while phasing out all the others), almost only one bear species (bar 1 panda pair and a trio of polar bears),1 only tiger species and the list goes on.
 
I would think that Asian black bear would be a more logical choice if the region's zoos dump sun bears (I don't think they should).

I partly agree the region should persist with sun bears.

The main reason we've been unsuccessful with this species is a lack of mother raised (socially normal) bears. Wellington Zoo obtained a mother raised breeding pair in 1992 and bred six litters throughout the 1990’s.

The availability of new founders (particularly males) is an issue with regards to the captive population; but you'd think through Asian facilities (where they breed well), there'd be a better supply.
 
I'm not sure why you think that sloth bear are doing well in Europe and the US. From what I understand both populations are different subspecies, difficult to obtain new blood and only in small numbers.

Upon furthe research, the European region seems to focus on the Sri Lankan sloth bear (Melursus ursinus inornatus); while the North American region has a mixture or Sri Lankan and Common sloth bear (Melursus ursinus ursinus), with some sources saying they're not managed at the subspecies level in this region.
 
Excellent info and idea hatching guys..but also the needed level of reality's gravity based on recent trajectory and direction patterns by our zoos.

Am aware that this is 99% unlikely, but like to keep a glimmer of hope and also subscribe to the belief that while the many exciting what-if concepts we all suggest do get a peer-reviewed reality check, still firmly believe in the continuation of voicing them. Just believe our zoos miss a highly exciting well of ideas by not having a look on these forums and considering much of what is suggested.

re: Bears, totally agree that it would be a colossal mistake if Sun Bears ever were completely phased out of our region. Even with the difficulties with breeding them (minus Wellington Zoo's big success with 'cracking the formula' and Perth's '08 success with Maly's birth) the Free the Bears Foundation is still stoically carrying out its angelic deeds in SE Asia which does mean the likelihood of other individual Sun Bears being available for being sent to live in homes at our zoos (along with the noble rescue story that Bopha, Jamran, Mr Hobbs, Otago, Sean, Victoria etc had proudly relayed to the public), obviously in the last fifteen years the FTBF has gone with suitable sanctuaries for their Bears in countries of SE Asia itself especially Cambodia (obviously the sanctuaries were part of the original plan from the mid '90s, just meant the sending of some individuals to zoos here ceased a decade & a half ago). And of course they also work with Asiatic Black Bears (''Moon Bears'') which like Sloth Beara and Spectacled Bears are a species long been exceptionally rare in Australasian zoos..well none at all in face for over 40 years (with Spectacled/Andean Bears not entirely sure they've ever graced our shores).

Truly think Sloth Bears or 'Moon Bears' would be an exciting addition to a few of our zoos, and think for one thing Melbourne should seriously consider once their Eles' have moved to Werribee. I only don't say other examples like Taronga or Perth because feel perhaps their commitment to continue keeping Sun Bears in future is about as fragile as a cornflake under a mack-truck. But wonder if Darling Downs, Altina, Mogo, Hamilton, Launceston or Port Macquarie say would look into being future holders of Sun Bears (and Adelaide again once it's Giant Panda duo are gone) and perhaps Dubbo could be convinced to be a secondary holder of Sloth Bears or 'Moon Bears' along with Melbourne hypothetically..or perhaps even Sydney Zoo, having a different Bear species to Taronga's Mary the Sun Bear would be exciting (but would entail them probably having to part with their Dromedaries for finding an exhibit in their built to capacity site large enough to accommodate a couple of Bears). Or possibly Sydney Zoo and Darling Downs Zoo could 'branch out' in being a holder of a different Bear species like (Syrian) Brown Bears which are still an approved (sun)species on Australia's approved import list and arguably the only Brown Bear sub population that's natural climate justifies new individuals of those Bears coming to reside in Australia.

Was only until less than two decades ago (in Tarongas case 10&half years ago and Canberra's case 4&half) that two Bear species were accommodated for at many of the larger city zoos in our region (oh almost forgot that with Adelaide Zoo they also had Sun Beara still for a number of years along with their two Giant Pandas, same with when they still had Syrian Brown Bears). But obviously now would think perhaps may be something that may only be a case of convincing our zoos to either maintain their Sun Bears or acquire a Bear species like the Sloths or 'Moon' Bears.

Re: Fishing Cats & Clouded Leopards - think it would be excellent if our region could maintain and try to breed both (would require two pairs each per zoo that intended to try breed them, and an off display enclosure too for adequate breeding environments) from 1993-2004 Taronga managed to hold both Clouded Leopards and Fishing Cats at the same time
(even opposite one another for a few months in late '97 in the Jungle Cats Complex/now Tassie Devil & JR the Barton's Echidna Building, the Cloudies' and Fishing Cat complimented one another I thought seeing them in neighbouring proximity as an 8 year old). Think Melbourne maintained both species too for a few years when Nella the Cloudie' moved there (and obviously private-tour only WCCC on the northern outskirts of cross-Hawkesbury Greater Sydney has both species atm, albeit one Fishing Cat, but very impressed with their Clouded Leopard collection atm plus being the sole holders of the species currently, but obviously as a Felid focused facility has helped with them being dual holders of both species at present. Think Taronga and Melbourne should look into holding both species again. Perhaps Mary the Sun Bear could receive a larger exhibit when Pak Boon & Tang Mo depart for Dubbo or Werribee, and perhaps in turn Mary's current exhibit could be set up as a Clouded Leopard exhibit (though would need a high roof and some fencing and the canyon to be filled in, and suspect the heritage people would be resistant as that exhibit is over a century old now, but if the exterior facade of the exhibit is kept intact though).

Sorry long post.
 
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Excellent info and idea hatching guys..but also the needed level of reality's gravity based on recent trajectory and direction patterns by our zoos.

Am aware that this is 99% unlikely, but like to keep a glimmer of hope and also subscribe to the belief that while the many exciting what-if concepts we all suggest do get a peer-reviewed reality check, still firmly believe in the continuation of voicing them. Just believe our zoos miss a highly exciting well of ideas by not having a look on these forums and considering much of what is suggested.

re: Bears, totally agree that it would be a colossal mistake if Sun Bears ever were completely phased out of our region. Even with the difficulties with breeding them (minus Wellington Zoo's big success with 'cracking the formula' and Perth's '08 success with Maly's birth) the Free the Bears Foundation is still stoically carrying out its angelic deeds in SE Asia which does mean the likelihood of other individual Sun Bears being available for being sent to live in homes at our zoos (along with the noble rescue story that Bopha, Jamran, Mr Hobbs, Otago, Sean, Victoria etc had proudly relayed to the public), obviously in the last fifteen years the FTBF has gone with suitable sanctuaries for their Bears in countries of SE Asia itself especially Cambodia (obviously the sanctuaries were part of the original plan from the mid '90s, just meant the sending of some individuals to zoos here ceased a decade & a half ago). And of course they also work with Asiatic Black Bears (''Moon Bears'') which like Sloth Beara and Spectacled Bears are a species long been exceptionally rare in Australasian zoos..well none at all in face for over 40 years (with Spectacled/Andean Bears not entirely sure they've ever graced our shores).

Truly think Sloth Bears or 'Moon Bears' would be an exciting addition to a few of our zoos, and think for one thing Melbourne should seriously consider once their Eles' have moved to Werribee. I only don't say other examples like Taronga or Perth because feel perhaps their commitment to continue keeping Sun Bears in future is about as fragile as a cornflake under a mack-truck. But wonder if Darling Downs, Altina, Mogo, Hamilton, Launceston or Port Macquarie say would look into being future holders of Sun Bears (and Adelaide again once it's Giant Panda duo are gone) and perhaps Dubbo could be convinced to be a secondary holder of Sloth Bears or 'Moon Bears' along with Melbourne hypothetically..or perhaps even Sydney Zoo, having a different Bear species to Taronga's Mary the Sun Bear would be exciting (but would entail them probably having to part with their Dromedaries for finding an exhibit in their built to capacity site large enough to accommodate a couple of Bears). Or possibly Sydney Zoo and Darling Downs Zoo could 'branch out' in being a holder of a different Bear species like (Syrian) Brown Bears which are still an approved (sun)species on Australia's approved import list and arguably the only Brown Bear sub population that's natural climate justifies new individuals of those Bears coming to reside in Australia.

Was only until less than two decades ago (in Tarongas case 10&half years ago and Canberra's case 4&half) that two Bear species were accommodated for at many of the larger city zoos in our region (oh almost forgot that with Adelaide Zoo they also had Sun Beara still for a number of years along with their two Giant Pandas, same with when they still had Syrian Brown Bears). But obviously now would think perhaps may be something that may only be a case of convincing our zoos to either maintain their Sun Bears or acquire a Bear species like the Sloths or 'Moon' Bears.

Re: Fishing Cats & Clouded Leopards - think it would be excellent if our region could maintain and try to breed both (would require two pairs each per zoo that intended to try breed them, and an off display enclosure too for adequate breeding environments) from 1993-2004 Taronga managed to hold both Clouded Leopards and Fishing Cats at the same time
(even opposite one another for a few months in late '97 in the Jungle Cats Complex/now Tassie Devil & JR the Barton's Echidna Building, the Cloudies' and Fishing Cat complimented one another I thought seeing them in neighbouring proximity as an 8 year old). Think Melbourne maintained both species too for a few years when Nella the Cloudie' moved there (and obviously private-tour only WCCC on the northern outskirts of cross-Hawkesbury Greater Sydney has both species atm, albeit one Fishing Cat, but very impressed with their Clouded Leopard collection atm plus being the sole holders of the species currently, but obviously as a Felid focused facility has helped with them being dual holders of both species at present. Think Taronga and Melbourne should look into holding both species again. Perhaps Mary the Sun Bear could receive a larger exhibit when Pak Boon & Tang Mo depart for Dubbo or Werribee, and perhaps in turn Mary's current exhibit could be set up as a Clouded Leopard exhibit (though would need a high roof and some fencing and the canyon to be filled in, and suspect the heritage people would be resistant as that exhibit is over a century old now, but if the exterior facade of the exhibit is kept intact though).

Sorry long post.

Like you say, having multiple holders is vital if a breeding programme is to thrive. Despite the mother raised sun bears being better breeders, there was success in breeding a handful of rescue bears - Otay and the Perth pair for example.

What the region would have benefited from is swapping around the pairs - especially Adelaide and Taronga, where neither bred.

A few zoos have succeeded in keeping them in small groups, so despite their reputation as a city zoo species; I have no doubt small groups would thrive in an open range zoo.

The forums la for breeding is clear (a compatible, viable pair; and privacy for the female). It'd not rocket science and with four or five pairs imported, a thriving population could easily take off.
 
Like you say, having multiple holders is vital if a breeding programme is to thrive. Despite the mother raised sun bears being better breeders, there was success in breeding a handful of rescue bears - Otay and the Perth pair for example.

What the region would have benefited from is swapping around the pairs - especially Adelaide and Taronga, where neither bred.

A few zoos have succeeded in keeping them in small groups, so despite their reputation as a city zoo species; I have no doubt small groups would thrive in an open range zoo.

The forums la for breeding is clear (a compatible, viable pair; and privacy for the female). It'd not rocket science and with four or five pairs imported, a thriving population could easily take off.
It's like a case of history repeating itself, Many populations have started its way in our regions zoos from a tiny founder base. My understanding is that all the past Sitatunga were all descended from 1.2 animals as with Bongos from a handful of their species. Giraffe were another species that were very heavly inbred right from the early days, one could mention a lot of other hoofed stock like Eland, Blackbuck and Barbary sheep also others which started from a small founder base from years ago.
Yes Quarantine restrictions have played a major role with importations one can make the most of this when its is allowed like is has at the current time with the lifting of restrictions on antelope species. The importing of a larger founder base like NZ Nyala imports is the sensible way to go!
 
@Zoofan15 @Zorro

I hope the zoos utilise this import green light with hoof stock currently. No need for (or justification for) anymore severely inbred Bongo, *Sitatunga and **Tahrs etc (or another inbred Giraffe legacy sired initially as you both know by the very virile Jan Smuts).

*albeit probably gone permanently from the region with Bongos and Nyalas filling their niche very well (one of few phase out decisions can kind of understand, though personally love Sitatungas, but still think Bongo undoubtedly should take place over of course).

**dwindling to complete-loss-of interest in the species save for Altina.
 
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@Zoofan15 @Zorro

I hope the zoos utilise this import green light with hoof stock currently. No need for (or justification for) anymore severely inbred Bongo, *Sitatunga and **Tahrs etc (or another inbred Giraffe legacy sired initially as you both know by the very virile Jan Smuts).

*albeit probably gone permanently from the region with Bongos and Nyalas filling their niche very well (one of few phase out decisions can kind of understand, though personally love Sitatungas, but still think Bongo undoubtedly should take place over of course).

**dwindling to complete-loss-of interest in the species save for Altina.

The conservation status of the antelope species will play a part in the decision of whether to import. Eastern bongo are critically endangered, so will be given a higher priority than Sitatunga.

Exceptions are made for species that aren't endangered if they can fit in with a collection e.g. Lowland nyala. Unlike more territorial species, even males can be housed within a mixed species Savannah.
 
@Zoofan15 @Zorro

I hope the zoos utilise this import green light with hoof stock currently. No need for (or justification for) anymore severely inbred Bongo, *Sitatunga and **Tahrs etc (or another inbred Giraffe legacy sired initially as you both know by the very virile Jan Smuts).

*albeit probably gone permanently from the region with Bongos and Nyalas filling their niche very well (one of few phase out decisions can kind of understand, though personally love Sitatungas, but still think Bongo undoubtedly should take place over of course).

**dwindling to complete-loss-of interest in the species save for Altina.
Also including the Western plains zoo giving up with the Endangered Onager which were breeding well with no effort to disperse any to other zoos that I am aware of. The Maned Wolfs all at Dubbo were another Endangered species they lost interest in with Altina saving the day and have successfully bred and stocked other regional zoos.
 
@Zoofan15

I 100% agree with the prioritising of Eastern Bongo in our region especially in terms of for exhibit space where a solo antelope species of housed. Nyala are a good fit for the numerous African Savannah setups in many of our zoos (call me crazy but a much better choice than Blackbuck :confused:) and the fact that as you point out that even their males can be intergrated into mixed ungulate exhibits just further seals their perfect fitting for having their numbers and number-of-holders in our region bolstered. Had a big head-nod and smile-of-being-impresses when Sydney Zoo acquired the Nyala(s) for co-habitation with their Sth White Rhino', the great thing too was their Nyala can also move next door with the Giraffes, Zebras and Ostriches if need be.

@Zorro

I would love to see Altina (saving grace and patron saint of Maned Wolves in Australia, but sorry you've already pointed that out) and maybe Monarto get on board with being holders of Persian Onagers. Am personally a huge fan of them and think they should be given the same level of interest that we give Przewalski's Horses/Tanakis, there would be other zoos in our region who would make excellent holders of the species (Orana is another who comes to mind, perhaps even Werribee).

Could be wrong (hope I am in fact) but it seems Persian Onagers are no longer on the approved species import list, but surely they could be again if another zoo or Dubbo WP put in an application for new individuals to be imported.
 
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It's like a case of history repeating itself, Many populations have started its way in our regions zoos from a tiny founder base. My understanding is that all the past Sitatunga were all descended from 1.2 animals as with Bongos from a handful of their species. Giraffe were another species that were very heavly inbred right from the early days, one could mention a lot of other hoofed stock like Eland, Blackbuck and Barbary sheep also others which started from a small founder base from years ago.
Yes Quarantine restrictions have played a major role with importations one can make the most of this when its is allowed like is has at the current time with the lifting of restrictions on antelope species. The importing of a larger founder base like NZ Nyala imports is the sensible way to go!

That's very true and emphasises the need for foresight. Darling Downs Zoo are an example of a zoo thinking ahead by importing a higher number of founders for their zebra herd than what they need in the here and now. Long term, this will assist in creating a sustainable population. It's common sense, but plenty of other zoos have failed to follow it.
 
@Zoofan15

I 100% agree with the prioritising of Eastern Bongo in our region especially in terms of for exhibit space where a solo antelope species of housed. Nyala are a good fit for the numerous African Savannah setups in many of our zoos (call me crazy but a much better choice than Blackbuck :confused:) and the fact that as you point out that even their males can be intergrated into mixed ungulate exhibits just further seals their perfect fitting for having their numbers and number-of-holders in our region bolstered. Had a big head-nod and smile-of-being-impresses when Sydney Zoo acquired the Nyala(s) for co-habitation with their Sth White Rhino', the great thing too was their Nyala can also move next door with the Giraffes, Zebras and Ostriches if need be.

@Zorro

I would love to see Altina (saving grace and patron saint of Maned Wolves in Australia, but sorry you've already pointed that out) and maybe Monarto get on board with being holders of Persian Onagers. Am personally a huge fan of them and think they should be given the same level of interest that we give Przewalski's Horses/Tanakis, there would be other zoos in our region who would make excellent holders of the species (Orana is another who comes to mind, perhaps even Werribee).

Could be wrong (hope I am in fact) but it seems Persian Onagers are no longer on the approved species import list, but surely they could be again if another zoo or Dubbo WP put in an application for new individuals to be imported.

I agree. I would assume the suitability to the mixed species exhibit is similarly why Indian antelope are so rampant across Savannah exhibits.

The only downside re. Lowland nyala is that bulls can't be housed together if cows are present; but this can be addressed as you suggest by housing a bachelor herd with the giraffe and a breeding herd with the rhino (or vice versa).
 
@Zoofan15

That excellent idea about how Sydney Zoo could technically host two male Nyalas but keep one with the Sth White Rhino and the other with the Giraffes,Zebras,Ostriches is your superb idea my friend, not mine. You just educated me about male Nyala interaction patterns with one another in terms of female presence (makes sense with some typical male interactions in the animal kingdom..including humans sometimes unfortunately lol, but you just educated me about it).

All I thought of was that Syd' Zoo could revolve the Nyalas if they ever had any reason to need to keep the Sth White Rhino without sharing with another species at some point for whatever reason (main example that comes to mind is: though a city zoo with a limited sized exhibit, could still imagine Syd' Zoo would want to add a couple of females White Rhinos at some point i.e follow Perth Zoos formula from 23 years ago to hopefully produce a calf or two for a visitation drawcard..and then send the females to an open range zoo a few years later. Thought maybe if that was the case if a calf was born they might need to remove the Nyalas for a time in case the dam or sire gets over protective of the calf and acts aggressively if the Nyala comes too close).

So am really excited by your idea though (your idea not mine just to reiterate) with Nyala grouping arrangement. It would work well having two males because the second male could sire to the next generation of potential calves (lol nearly wrote foals but remembered at last second that's a term for deer babies not antelope aywk).
 
@Zoofan15

That excellent idea about how Sydney Zoo could technically host two male Nyalas but keep one with the Sth White Rhino and the other with the Giraffes,Zebras,Ostriches is your superb idea my friend, not mine. You just educated me about male Nyala interaction patterns with one another in terms of female presence (makes sense with some typical male interactions in the animal kingdom..including humans sometimes unfortunately lol, but you just educated me about it).

All I thought of was that Syd' Zoo could revolve the Nyalas if they ever had any reason to need to keep the Sth White Rhino without sharing with another species at some point for whatever reason (main example that comes to mind is: though a city zoo with a limited sized exhibit, could still imagine Syd' Zoo would want to add a couple of females White Rhinos at some point i.e follow Perth Zoos formula from 23 years ago to hopefully produce a calf or two for a visitation drawcard..and then send the females to an open range zoo a few years later. Thought maybe if that was the case if a calf was born they might need to remove the Nyalas for a time in case the dam or sire gets over protective of the calf and acts aggressively if the Nyala comes too close).

So am really excited by your idea though (your idea not mine just to reiterate) with Nyala grouping arrangement. It would work well having two males because the second male could sire to the next generation of potential calves (lol nearly wrote foals but remembered at last second that's a term for deer babies not antelope aywk).
I thought it was mentioned that SZ acquired 4 male Nyala?
 
@Zoofan15

That excellent idea about how Sydney Zoo could technically host two male Nyalas but keep one with the Sth White Rhino and the other with the Giraffes,Zebras,Ostriches is your superb idea my friend, not mine. You just educated me about male Nyala interaction patterns with one another in terms of female presence (makes sense with some typical male interactions in the animal kingdom..including humans sometimes unfortunately lol, but you just educated me about it).

All I thought of was that Syd' Zoo could revolve the Nyalas if they ever had any reason to need to keep the Sth White Rhino without sharing with another species at some point for whatever reason (main example that comes to mind is: though a city zoo with a limited sized exhibit, could still imagine Syd' Zoo would want to add a couple of females White Rhinos at some point i.e follow Perth Zoos formula from 23 years ago to hopefully produce a calf or two for a visitation drawcard..and then send the females to an open range zoo a few years later. Thought maybe if that was the case if a calf was born they might need to remove the Nyalas for a time in case the dam or sire gets over protective of the calf and acts aggressively if the Nyala comes too close).

So am really excited by your idea though (your idea not mine just to reiterate) with Nyala grouping arrangement. It would work well having two males because the second male could sire to the next generation of potential calves (lol nearly wrote foals but remembered at last second that's a term for deer babies not antelope aywk).

Sydney Zoo’s rhinoceros exhibit isn’t huge, but neither is Perth’s or Auckland’s and both have successfully bred this species. I’m of the opinion a 1.1 pairing could work best as it has done at Auckland Zoo - with Zambezi and Jamila welcoming two daughters in as many years.

The nyala were on exhibit with Jamila and her calves on my last visit and to my knowledge, there’s been no aggression from Jamila. Hopefully Sydney Zoo could replicate this - irregardless of whether they want to breed nyala. Male nyala are in great surplus, so Sydney Zoo would probably best serve the region by remaining non breeding.
 
@Zorro

oh yeah I just thought perhaps if housed with Giraffes, Zebras etc given the larger size of that exhibit, it would be a good to potentially keep female Nyalas too and have calves born.

@Zoofan15 But having just learnt bull Nyalas are in surplus then non breeding at Sydney Zoo would be better. I didn't actually realise that a 1.1 pair of White Rhinos in our region had successfully bred, go Auckland. Had assumed based on Perth importing 0.2 that a couple of females were required to stimulate potential breeding patterns in a male. In that case 1.1 would most certainly be best approach for Sydney Zoo regarding their limited sized Rhino exhibit.
 
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It's like a case of history repeating itself, Many populations have started its way in our regions zoos from a tiny founder base. My understanding is that all the past Sitatunga were all descended from 1.2 animals as with Bongos from a handful of their species. Giraffe were another species that were very heavly inbred right from the early days, one could mention a lot of other hoofed stock like Eland, Blackbuck and Barbary sheep also others which started from a small founder base from years ago.
It should also be pointed out that many captive ungulates seem to do 'okay' being highly inbred (although it isn't the preferred option). Explains why some species have been bred back from the brink and that Australia has been able to hold on to the few species that still exist. It's only when zoos have castrated too many males that have lead to their disappearance (sable, sitatunga, nilgai). Not necessarily the case with all species. Gazelles are a classic example where it hasn't been successful (although blackbuck don't seem to be badly affected).
 
Is it not part of the problem that a lot of species in out regional zoos are now limited to low numbers like only having 2 lemur species, One Langur species (while phasing out all the others), almost only one bear species (bar 1 panda pair and a trio of polar bears),1 only tiger species and the list goes on.
It is a problem, but not sure that this has anything to do with point I was making. The region's zoos are showing scant interest in species that were designated as the preferred option (fishing cat and sun bear), both of which are charismatic SE Asian rainforest species. It's not as if additional stock cannot be sourced from abroad to supplement existing individuals. Of course there is nothing wrong with adding additional species to the list, if enough zoos are interested.
 
I know there’s some people who resent the “point of difference” concept, as to state the obvious, it means less participants in a breeding programme which soon becomes unsustainable long term.

On the whole, we can see examples of zoos recognising this problem and taking steps to ensure the import of a large number of founders held across multiple facilities (e.g. Lowland nyala); but that in turn draws criticism from those bored of seeing the same species at every zoo.

With the larger species, it’s clear zoos are going to agree a focus species/subspecies and commit to it (e.g. Sumatran tiger); but with smaller species, there’s no reason a number of species can’t be supported throughout the region. As @tetrapod says above with regards to Fishing cat and Clouded leopard - why not both?
 
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