North American Asian and African Elephant Populations: Discussion and Speculation
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Should be an exciting year then. Announcements, births ect. still to come.
less than 24 hours later it’s confirmed Mlilo had her second calf after you posted this. My can things change quickly.
And there should still be some more on the way.
theres 4 additional calves due this year (Jayei, Zahara, and 2 unknown) and 2 due next year (Renee and Nadirah) minimum.
Might be good to keep an eye on the girls at Sedgewick and Tampa going forward.
They're the strongest chance for the other two pregnancies imo.
Might be good to keep an eye on the girls at Sedgewick and Tampa going forward.
I’m starting to wonder more with Batir if she’s pregnant or not as well. Sometimes I’ve noticed whenever a zoo moves a bull the birth of an elephant shortly follows afterward. It makes me wonder if Artie being moved to TES was to make way for a potential calf. I guess it’s sort of a gut feeling I have to and while realistically the chances of that are 0 to none, it’s a waiting game from here.
That's not necessarily the case. I tend to find it, the opposite. The zoo tends to move a bull when there's a lack of breeding, and end up obtaining a new one.
Since Batir's 21, she's pushing the limits. Hopefully she is pregnant.
but there are examples of this. Bowie an Asian elephant was moved in November 2022 from the Fort Worth Zoo to the Oklahoma City Zoo. Flash forward 3 months later and Belle had her first calf. Mabu usually when he’s moved he’s usually gotten a female pregnant prior to his transfer. Again I do find it very unlikely Batir is pregnant but you never know. And Louie could’ve potentially learned something from Callee at Omaha too, he would’ve been around for the matings of Claire, Kiki and Lolly.
Polar bear fan
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I mean Nyah was born ten years ago… And it’d make sense for them to try and breed from her as she and Zahara are the only options for the herd’s future after Nyah and Kalina’s deaths.
Honestly I was surprised when it was revealed Zahara was pregnant and not Ivory.
I feel like though Indianapolis would’ve announced Ivory’s pregnancy like they just did with her daughter Zahara in my opinion. Maybe she’s not far enough along yet that the zoo feels comfortable in announcing her pregnancy…?
Mr.Ivory
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I believe that would be the case if she is pregnant
If she is pregnant that’d be great news for the elephant population. We need every cow breeding that we can get. Speaking of cows breeding, an updated version on African Elephant Pregnancies.
Confirmed 2023 African Elephants Dams or African Elephants Due in 2023.
1.) 19 year old Mlilo (WILD X WILD) gave birth to a male calf on February 26th, 2023 at the Dallas Zoo. The sire is 19 year old African Elephant Tendjai (WILD X WILD) who is a first time father.
2.) 13 year old Lolly (WILD X WILD) gave birth to a male calf on March 2nd 2023 at the Omaha Zoo. The sire is 22 year old African Elephant Callee (Jackson X Savannah) who’s also the father of 2 other calves at the Omaha Zoo.
3.) 29 year old African Elephant Jayei (WILD X WILD) at the Omaha Zoo is pregnant and is due in late summer to early fall of 2023. The sire is 22 year old African Elephant Callee (Jackson X Savannah), who’s also sired one calf with Lolly, one calf with Claire, and one calf with Kiki.
4.) 16 year old African Elephant Zahara (Ali X Ivory) is pregnant with her first calf at the Indianapolis Zoo and the sire is either experienced father 22 African Elephant Callee (Jackson X Savannah) at the Omaha Zoo or 14 year old African Elephant Titan (WILD X Simunye) at the Sedgwick County Zoo.
Confirmed African Elephants due in 2024
1.) 43 year old African Elephant Renee (WILD X WILD) is pregnant with her 3rd calf at the Toledo Zoo. Sire is unknown and Renee is due in spring 2024.
2.) 17 year old African Elephant Nadirah (Jackson X Donna), is pregnant with her first calf at Disneys Animal Kingdom. Sire is 41 year old Maclean (WILD X WILD) who’s sired 3 other calves and Nadirah is due in Spring 2024.
Possible African Elephants Pregnant due in 2023 or 2024
1.) 41 year old Ivory (WILD X WILD) at the Indianapolis Zoo.
2.) 33 year old Litsemba (WILD X WILD) at the Reid Park Zoo.
3.) Any of the females at the Sedgwick County Zoo aside from Stephanie.
4.) 32 year old Matjeka (WILD X WILD) and 31 year old Mbali (WILD X WILD) at ZooTampa.
5.) 12 year old Omma (Wild X Jayei) at the Omaha Zoo.
6.) 21 year old Batir (Willie X Tonga) at the North California Zoo…?
7.) Maybe 38 year old Mikki (WILD X WILD) at the Louisville Zoo…?
Unlikely Pregnant
1.) any of the females at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park.
2.) any of the females at the Pittsburgh Zoo and PPG aquarium along with at the ICC.
3.) 19 year old female Zahara (WILD X WILD) at the Dallas Zoo.
4.) 29 year old Nolwazi (WILD X WILD) and 15 year old Amahle (WILD X Nolwazi) at the Fresno Chaffee Zoo.
5.) 37 year old Christie (WILD X WILD) and 13 year old Zuri (Jackson X Christie) at the Hogle Zoo.
Breast development usually begins to occur much later in pregnancy (at least after the first year). So considering Zahara’s due in October (7 months away), I think Ivory would be due around the same time, or maybe a little later. If so, it would make sense for the zoo to announce both, so I’m not entirely sure.
In some cases, females do have much larger and noticeable breasts despite them not being pregnant.
Polar bear fan
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That’s true, the way I see they’re either just waiting to announce at 15 months again or considering she’s had 3 calves they may just be more obvious due to wear and tear.
Yes older and more experienced females tend to have more noticeable breasts, so that may very well be the case.
Also it’s important to remember that she is an older female (now 41) and hasn’t given birth in more than a decade. The chances of her being pregnant are thus, quite low.
Mr.Ivory
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I have noticed that as well the older a female is and the more calves she's had the larger her breasts are, and if Ivory is indeed pregnant then she may be in the early stages of her pregnancy if she is pregnant.
Well, if I learned anything about all of this is that even with all of this speculating and theories we have we don’t know for sure. Everybody thought Renee would never have a calf again after Lucas, that didn’t age well in a good way. AND Renee is older than Ivory.
That’s possible. We can only hope she is in the early stages of pregnancy. It would have to be through AI though; like Zahara’s calf.
Renee’s only two years older than Ivory, so not that much older.
Her pregnancy also made sense as Toledo would be looking to build their herd; and so would probably be hoping for a female here to carry on Renee’s line at Toledo.
Not what I heard. Fellow zoochat member @PSO said it was highly unlikely shortly after Lucas died that Toledo would ever have another calf and now nearly 2 years later after Lucas death Renee is pregnant. My point is that we don’t always know everything nor is it our business too.