List of species I've seen

Kakapo · 10 Apr 2023

Sicarius said:
This is actually a Pacific emerald dove (Chalcophaps longirostris), not the common one (Chalcophaps indica). I recommend using scientific names besides the English names

Not, you're wrong. This is an emerald dove (Chalcophaps indica). Never existed such a thing as "Chalcophaps longirostris". Chalcophaps indica longirostris it's what you confused with that, and it's one of the 13 subspecies of Chalcophaps indica. The only other species of the genus is Chalcophaps stephani. I don't list subspecies for this thread, only species.

I know that common names are very confusing, and most of the times (except for well known animals) they are just unusable or inexistent, for that's it's what I use primarily scientific names in my daily works. But that's not the idea of the thread. In fact, a part of the reason of the usage of only common names in this thread was precisely to avoid confrontations in different taxonomic points of view.

I'm sorry for you able to be confused by the less confusing taxonomy that can be used, aarvardk250. I can't imagine then how you can feel with the 3834091 times more confusing taxonomies that most zoochatters use, inventing constantly taxa that doesn't exist (or more precisely, following those that invent them).

Kakapo · 10 Apr 2023

FENNEC FOX

Photo by @WhistlingKite24. Taronga zoo, Australia

FERRUGINOUS DUCK

Photo by @Tim May. London Wetland Centre WWT, UK

FIREHEAD TETRA

Photo by @vogelcommando. Zoo Duisburg, Germany

FISCHER'S LOVEBIRD

Photo by @KevinB. Pakawi park, Belgium

FOSSA

Photo by @Ding Lingwei. Bronx zoo, USA

Sicarius · 10 Apr 2023

Kakapo said:
Not, you're wrong. This is an emerald dove (Chalcophaps indica). Never existed such a thing as "Chalcophaps longirostris". Chalcophaps indica longirostris it's what you confused with that, and it's one of the 13 subspecies of Chalcophaps indica. The only other species of the genus is Chalcophaps stephani. I don't list subspecies for this thread, only species.

Interesting, may I ask what source you are using for that statement? The IUCN Red List, Birds of the World, ITIS, etc. all consider Chalcophaps longirostris a full species, split from C. indica years ago. So I seriously question the taxonomic changes you are following. Then there is also the fact that you don't consider subspecies valid enough to mention in this topic. This would mean that you think the red slug (Arion rufus) and Spanish slug (Arion vulgaris) are different enough to mention, while the difference between the species is so small that identification can only be done by dissection and genital comparison. But the ariel toucan (Ramphastos vitellinus ariel) which can be distinguished from the channel-billed toucan (R. v. culminatus) so obviously that a 3-year-old kid can do it, is not important enough?

Chlidonias · 10 Apr 2023

Sicarius said:
Interesting, may I ask what source you are using for that statement? The IUCN Red List, Birds of the World, ITIS, etc. all consider Chalcophaps longirostris a full species, split from C. indica years ago. So I seriously question the taxonomic changes you are following. Then there is also the fact that you don't consider subspecies valid enough to mention in this topic. This would mean that you think the red slug (Arion rufus) and Spanish slug (Arion vulgaris) are different enough to mention, while the difference between the species is so small that identification can only be done by dissection and genital comparison. But the ariel toucan (Ramphastos vitellinus ariel) which can be distinguished from the channel-billed toucan (R. v. culminatus) so obviously that a 3-year-old kid can do it, is not important enough?

Welcome to a taxonomic discussion with Kakapo.

Kakapo · 10 Apr 2023

The source for that statement is my knowlegde and the fact that there is absolutely no reason for change a taxonomy that was correct in first place. I see you also have a very ill-advised concept of taxonomy. Since ever there are hundreds of thousands of species that can be identified only by genitalia - and in some cases only by male genitalia, such as happens in Sarcophaga flies or Timarcha beetles - while others are striklingly distinctive in appareance. Arion vulgaris is distinguishable externally by Arion rufus, maybe you're confusing with Arion lusitanicus, that's the undistinguishable sister-species of A. vulgaris or at least that's what I learned from a malacologist friend when I first saw A. vulgaris in a trip field with him Giving the fact that one individual of Arion rufus itself can be completely different to another of the same species (ones are red, others brown, other black), you will understand why the appareance - and overall the colour, that's the less important character in taxonomy - it's not the critter that can be used (or at least not exclusively) for distinguish taxa. And that's happen with the various toucan subspecies too, either vitellinus (some with orange breast, others white), tucanus (black or red bill), etc, despite other toucans are still different species but looking almost identical to some morphs of other species (namely Ramphastos brevis with Ramphastos ambiguus swainsonii!). You can have a better understanding of what is taxonomy and how if works if you sneak into the most extreme case: the extremely complex of mimics of the Heliconius butterflies, where every species have severals morphs that are almost identical to other morphs of every other species but completely different to other morphs of same species. And obviously a 3 year old kid also can distinguish a yorskhire terrier from an Arctic wolf, and they're still the same species. I doubt that same kid can distinguish between a Chinese and a Japanese giant salamanders, tough.

Kakapo · 10 Apr 2023

GENTOO PENGUIN

Photo by @Therabu. Pairi Daiza, Belgium

GHARIAL

Photo by @Julio C Castro. Los Angeles zoo & botanical gardens, USA

GHOST CATFISH

Photo by @TinoPup. Downtown Aquarium Denver, USA

GIANT AFRICAN MILLIPEDE

Photo by @ChunkyMunky pengopus. Cincinnati zoo & botanical garden, USA

GOLDEN PHEASANT

Photo by @hmb_zoo. Noah's Ark zoo farm, UK

GOLDEN-EYED STICK INSECT

Photo by @vogelcommando. de Kamaleon, Netherlands

GOULDIAN FINCH

Photo by @KevinB. Vogelpark Avifauna, Netherlands

dillotest0 · 10 Apr 2023

Kakapo said:
there is absolutely no reason for change a taxonomy that was correct in first place.

Well then ...

Kakapo said:
I doubt that same kid can distinguish between a Chinese and a Japanese giant salamanders, tough.

I think at least, a child would be able to see that these two salamanders are different animals. Even if it's something as simple as 'one has the bigger spots and the other has smaller dots' etc.

TeaLovingDave · 10 Apr 2023

Sicarius said:
Interesting, may I ask what source you are using for that statement?

He always claims to be following the scientific and taxonomic rationale he grew up with, but strangely enough rejects anything from the mid-1950s onwards despite being the same age as me, and therefore exposed to all of the scientific and taxonomic developments of the 1980s and 1990s during his youth

strangely enough he usually rejects genetics as having any validity as a means of differentiating taxa, preferring physically-visible differences, but appears to be making the reverse argument above!

It's not an argument you're going to win, so best leave him to it

PossumRoach · 10 Apr 2023

Kakapo said:
I honestly can't understand the sense of the PossumRoach's message. Why it looks not serious for you?

Now I don't know how many zoos you have visited or if the zoos you visited but I find it odd that you have seen some species that are otherwise considered as ABC animals (snow leopard and schimitar horned oryx come to mind) less then 10 times. The thread and the animals you seen for x annount of time would be easier to navigate if the thread had a proper index or just a list of species instead of loads of pictures. The fact that you started this thread in the first of April does not help.

PossumRoach · 10 Apr 2023

I may have not seen it but I am surprised that no one brought up the fact that a picture of a blue-eyed black lemur (Eulemur flavifrons) was used to refer to black lemur (Eulemur macaco.)

Kakapo said:
And obviously a 3 year old kid also can distinguish a yorskhire terrier from an Arctic wolf, and they're still the same species. I doubt that same kid can distinguish between a Chinese and a Japanese giant salamanders, tough.

Don't get me wrong but when there are adults that cannot distinguish leopards from jaguars, bringing up the pattern recognition of chidren to make a point just does not sound helpful.

dillotest0 · 10 Apr 2023

PossumRoach said:
Don't get me wrong but when there are adults that cannot distinguish leopards from jaguars, bringing up the pattern recognition of chidren to make a point just does not sound helpful.

I remember one notorious creationist had a 'method' of sorts to determine 'created kinds'. Basically, bring a toddler on to the stage, and show them four pictures of a wolf, a coyote, a fox, and a banana. Ask the child which of the four things doesn't belong. Obvious result = Wolves, coyotes and foxes = the same kind.
Albeit, it's quite far from the most rigorous method - repeat the same experiment with a hedgehog, a tenrec, an echidna and a watermelon - and the results will likely be similar !!

Kakapo · 11 Apr 2023

That's like claiming swedish people are very easy to distinguish from italian people because swedish are blond with blue eyes and italian have a tan skin and black hair. Putting two images where giant salamanders have a different pattern (and I think not so obviously different from the point of view of a 3 yo kid, despite your claim) doesn't make all members of the species looking alike them. Chinese can be spotted also, and Japanese can be almost plain. This would be a better comparison image:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_cndwTU8AIAbdD.jpg

I knew Dave would appear at some point for tergiversate and invent things against me, as he uses to do every time I say any word, even the most unrelated possible one, in ZooChat. This is the only forum I know where mods/admins can act doing just the same things that they're supposed to confront. In this case the lie is smaller than in other occasions, tough, and just one small detail of what he said is untrue.

I've seen scimitar-horned oryx at Madrid zoo, Barcelona zoo, Prague zoo, Artis royal zoo and Oasys Mini Hollywood. Snow leopard at Jardin des plantes, Liberec zoo, Plzen zoo, Wuppertal zoo and Pairi Daiza. They can be rarer than you can tough. Regional differences may be part of the explanation of this. For example, in North American facilities great blue heron and ringtail can be considered as common zoo animals, while in Europa there are extremely few ringtails and zero blue herons.

Making it as a list would be just the contrary of the purpose of the thread: creating a nice visual guide of photos for visitors getting interested in zoo animals ordered more or less by frequency. Preferally, not interrupted by endless discussions out of matter because some of you prefair to follow strange taxonomic points of view or practice the molecular religion. If you personally prefair a list, I can try to send you the word document where I keep track of all them - but here they're ordered taxonomically and not by frequence. You will have no images in it so you can maybe navigate more easily.

In Spain we celebrate the Holy Innocent day on 28th December, roughly equivalent to the April's Fool day of much of Europe. I don't usually think in 1st April as a special day, my apologizes for that.

Eulemur macaco flavifrons is a subspecies of Eulemur macaco, not a species per se.

Kakapo · 11 Apr 2023

GREAT CURASSOW

Photo by @Maguari. Selwo Safari, Spain

GREATER SULPHUR-CRESTED COCKATOO

Photo by @Parrotsandrew. Flamingo Land, UK

GREEN BIRDMOUTH WRASSE

Photo by @Therabu. Den Blå Planet, Denmark

GREEN BRITTLE STAR

Photo by @Arizona Docent. Wildlife World zoo & aquarium, USA

GREEN WOOD-HOOPOE

Photo by @Newzooboy. London zoo, UK

GUANACO

Photo by @Julio C Castro. Santa Ana zoo at Prentice park, USA

GUIRA CUCKOO

Photo by @KevinB. Planckendael, Belgium

GUNDI

Photo by @gulogulogulo. Lakeland wildlife oasis, UK

Great Argus · 11 Apr 2023

Kakapo said:
For example, in North American facilities great blue heron and ringtail can be considered as common zoo animals, while in Europa there are extremely few ringtails and zero blue herons.

Actually no neither is very common in American zoos but anyways...