Owls in North America

Was Flaco the only Eurasian Eagle Owl at the Central Park Zoo? If so, I think we can remove Central Park as a holder for that species.
 
Great Argus said:
Something I feel a need to say: I am increasingly finding the regular posts with social media links to be frustrating and spam on these threads than anything else. Many of the links do not take me to the actual post with the bird and I have to dig and find it to have a look.
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The links I post have a picture of the bird in question so I am not sure where this is coming from. If you are referring to when I say it's on a facility's website, then I said already that it is on the website at the bottom of the post, what more do you want?

Great Argus said:
I would also like to say these threads were not originally intended to be a complete catch all - I wanted to cover the AZAs and places like Sylvan Heights, tracking places visited at least occasionally and keeping an eye on rarities. I didn't intend them as catch-alls for every tiny place with a Red-tail or Budgie.
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You made the title "Owls (or any other species here) in North America". I'm glad you are setting some ground rules now but in the future, keep in mind that different people can interpret the title and list in a different way from yours.

Great Argus said:
Already the lists are very hefty to maintain and having every little place thrown at me is not helping my interest in updating these threads. Then too I probably would not mind as much if they were actual visit reports and not the result of keyboard warrioring. When and if I do update the threads again there is a high probability of small places with common species being ignored and being left off for both my interest in doing it and the relatively tiny impact such places have on the overall list.
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I'll keep that in mind but I have a suggestion for you. Like I won't argue about including "small places" (though you have done it in the past, just with trip reports and not someone like me fact-checking online) but if your heart is not in the right place with the lists, have you maybe consider giving someone else the research and having them do it instead of you? Not trying to sound rude, I am just asking a question.
 
Smaggledagle said:
The links I post have a picture of the bird in question so I am not sure where this is coming from.
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Most of the Facebook links are not taking me to the post in question, just to the facility's page. I then had to scroll the photos or posts til I found the right one, which in a few cases took a bit.

Smaggledagle said:
If you are referring to when I say it's on a facility's website, then I said already that it is on the website at the bottom of the post, what more do you want?
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Zoo websites are not always reliable.

Smaggledagle said:
You made the title "Owls (or any other species here) in North America". I'm glad you are setting some ground rules now but in the future, keep in mind that different people can interpret the title and list in a different way from yours.
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I know - and as such I also have the right to edit and exclude as I see fit.

Smaggledagle said:
I'll keep that in mind but I have a suggestion for you. Like I won't argue about including "small places" (though you have done it in the past, just with trip reports and not someone like me fact-checking online)
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I have had no objection to including small places in the past when they were off trip reports or particularly if there is a notable species. There is a point where a line needs to be drawn for sake of both interest and bulk.

Smaggledagle said:
but if your heart is not in the right place with the lists, have you maybe consider giving someone else the research and having them do it instead of you?
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Two points: one, I do like doing the lists, just not when I'm getting swamped in spam that I still have to go check if I choose to include.
Two, I don't think there's anyone qualified who would be interested in taking over, nor am I necessarily interested in moving off the projects.
 
I think there's an issue with social media links not working for everyone for whatever reason. For example they work just fine for me, but I have also heard people have issues with them.
 
Great Argus said:
Two, I don't think there's anyone qualified who would be interested in taking over, nor am I necessarily interested in moving off the projects.
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Not that this has really anything to do with me but I couldn't help but point out how insulting this may be. Other than the fact that it is your list, I don't think this is an appropriate judgement, given that @Smaggledagle has made a list of holders before. "Qualified" is a word that I would probably want to avoid, too, because, if I'm not somehow mistaken, most ZooChat members here are almost entirely anonymous to others. I only say this because I really don't like how unnecessarily aggressive posts to the forum can sometimes feel, not because I want to take over daunting tasks like this. This serves as a reminder to me that I and maybe the rest of the community could try a little harder at fixing this problem.
 
wild boar said:
Not that this has really anything to do with me but I couldn't help but point out how insulting this may be. Other than the fact that it is your list, I don't think this is an appropriate judgement, given that @Smaggledagle has made a list of holders before. "Qualified" is a word that I would probably want to avoid, too, because, if I'm not somehow mistaken, most ZooChat members here are almost entirely anonymous to others. I only say this because I really don't like how unnecessarily aggressive posts to the forum can sometimes feel, not because I want to take over daunting tasks like this. This serves as a reminder to me that I and maybe the rest of the community could try a little harder at fixing this problem.
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As much as I respect you for coming out to my side :p, I don't want to cause even more of a storm. Also, I do kinda get why people like @Great Argus don't want to add random facilities with the same animals over and over again, it gets tedious to add and then check up on each facility to update them for year after year.

Though I do agree with the aggressive posts. A lot of people here (me included) post passive-aggressive or full-on-aggressive comments on here. It's just a part of the ZooChat experience, but right now a lot of the hostility is unneeded.
 
wild boar said:
Not that this has really anything to do with me
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It didn't, so why did you feel the need to wade into it and bring it up again?

wild boar said:
Other than the fact that it is your list, I don't think this is an appropriate judgement, given that @Smaggledagle has made a list of holders before
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He wasn't offering to take it over, he was making a suggestion?

wild boar said:
Qualified" is a word that I would probably want to avoid, too, because, if I'm not somehow mistaken, most ZooChat members here are almost entirely anonymous to others.
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Qualified is a very valid word I feel - the community encompasses a wide range of ages and backgrounds, and this is plenty visible without knowing everyone personally. That said, you might be surprised how many Zoochatters know each other personally and/or talk quite a bit privately both on and off site.

Smaggledagle said:
Also, I do kinda get why people like @Great Argus don't want to add random facilities with the same animals over and over again, it gets tedious to add and then check up on each facility to update them for year after year.
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Checking up and keeping up with everything is the issue, and it's more than I've got the time to do extensively. Across my threads I monitor approximately 580 species in total - many of which are frequently held bts as ambassador animals or are common in very small places. There is a point I have to draw a line, and I've drawn it at common species in tiny places.

wild boar said:
I only say this because I really don't like how unnecessarily aggressive posts to the forum can sometimes feel, not because I want to take over daunting tasks like this. This serves as a reminder to me that I and maybe the rest of the community could try a little harder at fixing this problem.
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Smaggledagle said:
Though I do agree with the aggressive posts. A lot of people here (me included) post passive-aggressive or full-on-aggressive comments on here. It's just a part of the ZooChat experience, but right now a lot of the hostility is unneeded.
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Ultimately there's going to be some hostility anywhere you go on the internet unfortunately, and there's no shortage of disagreement here on Zoochat either. Although too it's unnecessary to do things like responding to something you had no part in and rekindling the conversation. Equally too there's being self-aware that when you start getting a lot of pushback to consider what you're doing sooner than later. In most cases hostility is provoked, not because people are going around the forum wanting to be mean.
 
Of the barn owls in North American collections, are they all Tyto furcata, or are there also imported Tyto alba? If both are present, I suspect hybridization occurred before the taxonomic split.
 
RatioTile said:
Of the barn owls in North American collections, are they all Tyto furcata, or are there also imported Tyto alba? If both are present, I suspect hybridization occurred before the taxonomic split.
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By and large they are American Barn Owl, however there are a few European as well. No idea on hybridization.
 
Tytonidae

Tyto

Barn Owl (63-64 holders)

African Lion Safari
Akron?
ASDM
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Beardsley
Bergen County
Birmingham
Busch Wildlife Sanctuary
CALM
Cameron Park
Canadian Raptor Conservancy
Carolina Raptor Center
Cascades Raptor Center
Catoctin
Chehaw
Cheyenne Mountain
Cleveland Museum of NH
Columbian Park
Cosley
Edmonton Valley
Elmwood Park
Folsom
Franklin Park
Gabbert Raptor Center
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
Hogle
Honolulu?
Howell Nature Center
International Owl Center
Keystone Safari
Lake Superior
Laura Quinn Wild Bird Sanctuary
Living Treasures Laurel Highlands
Livingston Ripley
Lowcountry
Maine Wildlife Park
Marshy Point Nature Center
Mill Mountain
Nashville
Oatland Island Wildlife Center
Oklahoma City
Orange County
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pioneers Park Nature Center
Pittsburgh
Point Defiance
Randall Museum
Reptile Gardens
Roer’s Zoofari
Roger Williams Park
San Francisco
Saskatoon Forestry Park & Zoo
Save Our Seabirds
The Living Desert
Toronto?
Tracy Aviary
Turtle Bay Exploration Park
Western North Carolina Nature Center
Willowbrook Wildlife Center
Wonders of Wildlife National Museum & Aquarium
World Bird Sanctuary (European)
ZooAmerica
Zoo Knoxville


Philodus

Oriental Bay Owl

Audubon (bts)
 
Strigidae

Megascops

Western Screech-Owl (10-11 holders)

ASDM
CALM
Cascades Raptor Center
Cheyenne Mountain
El Paso
Hogle
Racine
The Living Desert
Tracy Aviary
World Center for Birds of Prey
Zoo Boise?

Eastern Screech-Owl (49-50 holders)

3 Palms
Akron
Animal Adventures
Anita Purves Nature Center
Audubon Sharon
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Bear Mountain State Park
Bergen County
Birmingham
Busch Wildlife Sanctuary
Cameron Park
Canadian Raptor Conservancy
Carolina Raptor Center
Cincinnati
Cosley
DWA
Discovery Place Nature
Ellen Trout
Gabbert Raptor Center
Great Plains
Great Plains Nature Center
Flamingo Gardens
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
Houston
Jenkinson’s Aquarium
Lake Superior?
Laura Quinn Wildlife Sanctuary
Lee Simmons
Leesburg Animal Park
Living Treasures
Louisville
Mill Mountain
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Patricia and Philip Frost Museum of Science
Pioneers Park Nature Center
Quarry Hill Nature Center
Sandoway Discovery Center
Sawgrass Nature Center
Scovill
St. Louis
The Zoo in Forest Park
Tracy Aviary
Upper Schuylkill Valley Park
Wildwood
Wildlife Science Center
Willowbrook Wildlife Center
Woodford Cedar Run Wildlife Refuge
Zoo Montana
Zoo Tampa


Ptilopsis

Southern White-faced Owl (3 holders)

Bronx
Metro Richmond
Sacramento


Pulsatrix

Spectacled Owl (27 holders)

African Lion Safari
Bergen County
Birmingham
Brights
Canadian Wildlife Park
Carolina Raptor Center
Dallas
DAK
DWA
Edmonton Valley
Ellen Trout
Fort Worth
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
LA
Lake Superior
Metro Richmond
Phoenix
Safari North Wildlife Park
San Francisco
Sedgwick County
St. Louis
Tanganyika Wildlife Park
Toronto
Tracy Aviary
Tulsa
Woodland Park
World Bird Sanctuary


Bubo

Great Horned Owl (90-91 holders)

ABQ Biopark
African Lion Safari
Alaska
Alaska Wildlife Conservation Center
Alexandria
Animal Adventures
Aquarium of Quebec
ASDM
Audubon Sharon
Austin
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Bear Creek Pioneers Park
Bear Mountain State Park
Beardsley
Binder Park
Birmingham
BC Wildlife Park
Bronx
Busch Wildlife Sanctuary
CALM
Cameron Park
Canadian Raptor Conservancy
Cape May
Carolina Raptor Center
Cascades Raptor Center
Catoctin
Claws & Paws
Cleveland Museum of NH
Cohanzick
Cosley
Dallas
David Traylor
Elmwood Park
Flamingo Gardens
Gabbert Raptor Center
Grizzly & Wolf Discovery Center
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
Hemker
High Desert Museum
Hogle
Holtsville Wildlife and Ecology Center
Hutchinson
Indian Creek
International Owl Center
Irvine Park & Zoo
Jack R. Facente Serpentarium
Lake Superior
Laura Quinn Wild Bird Sanctuary
Lee Simmons
Leesburg Animal Park
Living Treasures Laurel Highlands
Lowcountry
Maine Wildlife Park
MacKenzie Center
Manitowoc Lincoln Park
Marshy Point Nature Center
McCarthy Wildlife Center
Minnesota
Navajo Nation
Oatland Island Wildlife Center
Ochsner Park
Oklahoma City
Palm Beach
Phillips Park
Phoenix
Pine Grove
Prospect Park
Queens
Sacramento
Salmonier Nature Park?
Santa Barbara
Saskatoon Forestry Park & Zoo
Sawgrass Nature Center
Seaside Seabird Sanctuary
SeaWorld Orlando
Squam Lakes Natural Science Center
St. Louis
Staten Island
The Living Desert
Toronto
Tracy Aviary
Turtle Back
Upper Schuylkill Valley Park
Western North Carolina Nature Center
Wildlife Science Center
Wildlife World
Wildwood Zoo
Wildwood Wildlife Park
Woodford Cedar Run Wildlife Refuge
Zollman
Zoo Montana

Eurasian Eagle Owl (45-47 holders)

African Lion Safari
Animal Adventure Park
Aquarium of Quebec
ASDM
Barn Hill Peserve
Birmingham
Boulder Ridge
Brights
Bronx
Busch Gardens Williamsburg
Canadian Raptor Conservancy
Cape May
Cascades Raptor Center
Central Park?
Cincinnati
Claws & Paws
Dallas
DAK
Edmonton Valley
Greenville
Gulf Breeze
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
International Owl Center
Jacksonville?
LA
Lake Superior
Living Treasures Moraine
Luray
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Natural Bridge
Omaha
Riverbanks
Rosamond Gifford
Roscommon
Safari North Wildlife Park
San Diego
San Francisco
Shell Factory & Nature Park
Sylvan Heights Bird Park
Tanganyika Wildlife Park
The Wild Animal Park
Toronto
Virginia Safari Park
Wildlife World
World Bird Sanctuary
Zoo Knoxville

Spotted Eagle Owl (1 holder)

Hawk Creek Wildlife Center

Pharaoh Eagle Owl (1 holder)

Woodland Park

Verreaux’s Eagle Owl (Milky Eagle Owl) (12 holders)

African Lion Safari
Cincinnati
Dallas
DAK
Fort Worth
Jacksonville
Oregon
San Diego Zoo Safari Park
Tracy Aviary
Wildlife World
World Center for Birds of Prey
Zoo Atlanta

Snowy Owl (31-33 holders)

African Lion Safari
Alaska
Assiniboine Park
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Bergen County
Big Bear Alpine
Bronx
Brookfield?
Canadian Raptor Conservancy
Cascades Raptor Center
Dodge Nature Center
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
Howell Nature Center
Indian Creek
John Ball
Lehigh Valley
Lincoln Park
Louisville
Maryland
Minnesota
NEW
Rockton
Roger Williams Park
Salmonier Nature Park?
Seneca Park
Staten Island
The Zoo in Forest Park
Toledo
Trevor
Tulsa
Woodland Park
Zollman
ZooAmerica


Athene

Burrowing Owl (46 holders)

ABQ Biopark
ASDM
Assiniboine Park
Boonshoft Museum of Discovery
Brandywine
BC Wildlife Park
Bronx
Busch Wildlife Sanctuary
CALM
Calgary
Cascades Raptor Center
Charles Paddock
DWA
Edmonton Valley
Elmwood Park
Flamingo Gardens
High Desert Museum
Hogle
Houston
Hutchinson
Lake Superior
Living Coast Discovery Center
Knoxville
Memphis
National?
National Aviary
NEW
North Carolina
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Phoenix
Queens
Sacramento
Salisbury
San Antonio
San Diego
San Diego Zoo Safari Park
San Francisco
Saskatoon Forestry Park & Zoo
Sawgrass Nature Center
St. Louis
Sylvan Heights Bird Park
The Living Desert
Tracy Aviary
ZooAmerica
Zoo Miami


Ciccaba

Chaco Owl

African Lion Safari
Carolina Raptor Center


Strix

Spotted Owl (4 holders)

Mountain View Conservation & Breeding Center
Northwest Trek
Sequoia Park
Wildlife Center of NM

Barred Owl (75-76 holders)

African Lion Safari
Alexandria
Animal Adventures
Aquarium of the Americas
Audubon Sharon
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Bear Creek Pioneer’s Park
Bear Mountain State Park
Beardsley
Binder Park
Birmingham
BC Wildlife Park
Busch Wildlife Sanctuary
Calgary
Cameron Park
Cape May
Carolina Raptor Center
Cascades Raptor Center
Catoctin
Cincinnati
Cleveland Museum of NH
Conservancy of Southwest Florida
David Traylor
Dodge Nature Center
Edmonton Valley
Elmwood Park
Flamingo Gardens
Gabbert Raptor Center
Greenville
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
High Desert Museum
Holtsville Wildlife & Ecology Center
Howell Nature Center
Hutchinson
Indian Creek
Irvine Park & Zoo
Jack R. Facente Serpentarium
Laura Quinn Wild Bird Sanctuary
Lee Simmons
Lehigh Valley
Long Island Aquarium
Lowcountry
Luray
MacKensie Center
Maine Wildlife Park
Marshy Point Nature Center
McCarthy Wildlife Sanctuary
National Aviary
North Carolina
Oatland Island Wildlife Center
Ochsner Park
Palm Beach
Plumpton Park
Popcorn Park
Rosamond Gifford
Saginaw Children’s Zoo
Santa Fe Teaching Zoo
Save Our Seabirds
Sawgrass Nature Center
Shedd Aquarium
Squam Lakes Natural Science Center
St. Louis
The Zoo in Forest Park
Toronto?
Tracy Aviary
Turtle Bay Exploration Park
Upper Schuylkill Valley Park
Westwood Hills Nature Center
Wildlife Science Center
Wildwood Wildlife Park
Willowbrook Wildlife Center
Woodford Cedar Run Wildlife Refuge
World Bird Sanctuary
Zollman
ZooAmerica
Zoo Tampa

Tawny Owl (3 holders)

African Lion Safari
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
World Bird Sanctuary

Ural Owl (2 holders)

African Lion Safari
World Bird Sanctuary

Great Gray Owl (4-5 holders)

Alaska
BC Wildlife Park
Calgary
Canadian Raptor Conservancy
Woodland Park?


Glaucidium

Ferruginous Pygmy-Owl (1 holder)

Phoenix


Asio

Long-eared Owl (4 holders)

Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
BC Wildlife Park
Tracy Aviary
ZooAmerica

Short-eared Owl (4 holders)

Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Lee Simmons
Woodford Cedar Run Wildlife Refuge
World Bird Sanctuary


Surnia

Northern Hawk-Owl (1 holder)

World Bird Sanctuary


Aegolius

Northern Saw-whet Owl (9-10 holders)

Audubon Sharon
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary
Cascades Raptor Center
Gabbert Raptor Center
Grizzly & Wolf Discovery Center
Hawk Creek Wildlife Center
Quarry Hill Nature Center
Woodland Park?
World Bird Sanctuary
Zollmann


Ninox

Boobook sp

African Lion Safari
 
Ochsner Park keeps Snowy Owl.

Ba Beach no longer keeps Long-eared Owl.

Any idea which facilities keep New World Barn Owls and which keep the Old World ones?
 
birdsandbats said:
Any idea which facilities keep New World Barn Owls and which keep the Old World ones?
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Far as I'm aware the majority of them hold American - World Bird Sanctuary holds European, and there are likely a few others. There are some older indications of European birds at a couple places, but I am not sure of any other European holders at present though.
Cornell has yet to separate the Barn Owls out, but I anticipate a split as the IUCN status is missing per typical pending fashion. If anyone has information re European Barn Owls being kept here please share, it would be helpful in sorting out the split for the thread.
 
Great Argus said:
Barn Owl (63-64 holders)
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Add: Lehigh Valley Zoo and Six Flags Wild Safari.
Great Argus said:
Eastern Screech-Owl (49-50 holders)
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Add: Peace River Wildlife Center, Lehigh Valley Zoo, and Smithsonian National Zoo
Great Argus said:
Great Horned Owl (90-91 holders)
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Add: Peace River Wildlife Center and ZooTampa
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Burrowing Owl (46 holders)
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Add: Peace River Wildlife Center
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Barred Owl (75-76 holders)
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Add: Peace River Wildlife Center and Smithsonian National Zoo
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Long-eared Owl (4 holders)
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Remove: ZooAmerica
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Short-eared Owl (4 holders)
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Remove: Woodford Cedar Run Wildlife Refuge
 
Wish I'd gotten to posting the species list last week so you could include it in your updates: Living Coast Discovery Center (San Diego) also has Barn Owl, Long-eared Owl, Great Horned Owl, and Western Screech-owl.

There's at least one small nature center in SoCal that has Long-eared Owl also (Placerita Canyon); up to you whether to include it or not, it's a very small place but since few facilities display LEO it could be worth listing?
 
Great Argus said:
Barn Owl (63-64 holders)
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Also Stone Zoo and Utica Zoo.
Great Argus said:
Eastern Screech-Owl (49-50 holders)
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Also Boston Museum of Science and Franklin Park Zoo.
Great Argus said:
Southern White-faced Owl (3 holders)

Bronx
Metro Richmond
Sacramento
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Also Prospect Park Zoo.
Great Argus said:
Eurasian Eagle Owl (45-47 holders)
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Also Southwicks Zoo and Animal Adventures.
Great Argus said:
Verreaux’s Eagle Owl (Milky Eagle Owl) (12 holders)

African Lion Safari
Cincinnati
Dallas
DAK
Fort Worth
Jacksonville
Oregon
San Diego Zoo Safari Park
Tracy Aviary
Wildlife World
World Center for Birds of Prey
Zoo Atlanta
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Also Natural Encounters, Inc. if you want to count it, temporarily at Roger Williams Park Zoo.
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Snowy Owl (31-33 holders)
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Unfortunately no longer kept at Roger Williams Park Zoo.

I'd also just like to end this post by giving a HUGE thank you to @Great Argus for compiling so many great lists documenting the status of birds in North American zoos! Your work is greatly appreciated.
 
Neil chace said:
I'd also just like to end this post by giving a HUGE thank you to @Great Argus for compiling so many great lists documenting the status of birds in North American zoos! Your work is greatly appreciated.
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You're welcome, I'm glad you appreciate them! :)
Likewise thanks to everyone who contributes to the threads, it's a massive help to keeping these lists rolling!
 
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