







Using this logic, why aren't some meerkats being phased out in favour of more endangered mongooses?Gaur are being phased out by EAZA in favour of the more endangered (though possibly less attractive) Banteng.
Because most normal folk won't have the foggiest what a banteng or gaur are, but they'll certainly know a meerkat. If they were gone, they'd notice.Using this logic, why aren't some meerkats being phased out in favour of more endangered mongooses?
Books and TV programmes include many obscure animals that could interest children. I suspect that many children know more species of animals than most adults. It seems that some marketing teams don't know much about animals and can't be bothered to produce information to interest visitors in animals they haven't seen before. I doubt there were many visitors who wanted to see all of the 8 meerkat enclosures at Edinburgh Zoo a few years ago.Because most normal folk won't have the foggiest what a banteng or gaur are, but they'll certainly know a meerkat. If they were gone, they'd notice.
It seems strange that zoos seem to want to keep all subspecies of some species but not all species of a genus.The real problem with banteng and gaur is, that EAZA and AZA both want the same species to be kept. This is a perfect example that the RCPs are not working the way they should.
I cannot find the issue of EAZA’s Zooquria issue that brought it up but if I recall correctly, the Small Carnivore TAG (SCTAG) plans to manage meerkats under the new style EEP (which is already listed under the list of ex-situ programs) so meerkats won’t take up space that could be used for endangered small carnivores.Using this logic, why aren't some meerkats being phased out in favour of more endangered mongooses?
I cannot find the issue of EAZA’s Zooquria issue that brought it up but if I recall correctly, the Small Carnivore TAG (SCTAG) plans to manage meerkats under the new style EEP (which is already listed under the list of ex-situ programs) so meerkats won’t take up space that could be used for endangered small carnivores.
What I am trying to say here is that EAZA is probably aware of the dominion of meerkats as much as many of us here, and it and the SCTAG probably wants to change something about it.
What does Zoochat expect?
Over the past weeks nearly 40 people have filled in the small survey I was stalking everyone about. I have analysed the results and it has yielded some interesting results. It is clear that Xoochatters can hit the mark at times, but other predictions were widely off. That is maybe not surprising given that all but 1 reply said that they were either somewhat or very unconfident about their responses.
Mammals
There was quite broad agreement on the trend that zoochatters think mammal diversity is going (Figure 1). 28 people expect a decrease, 2 believe the trend is stable and 8 people think the number of mammal species has increased since 2000. The median expected change is a 13% decrease in the number of mammal species held.
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Figure 1: Overview of expected change of the number of mammal species from 2000-2023
While there were wildly different expectations on trends, there was maybe even more disagreement on how many species have been kept in Europe (Figure 2). The responses varied between 250 and 1500 species kept in 2000 and 170 and 2200 species now. The median response was 800 species kept in 2000, and 723 species kept currently in Europe. (for people with some knowledge of statistics: I use median here as the average instead of mean as the data is far from normally distributed.)
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Figure 2: Expected number of mammal species present in 2000 (yellow) and 2023 (blue), with the median for each year represented by the vertical line (yellowbrown for 2000, skyblue for 2023)
There was quite a bit of agreement on which mammals have increased in popularity since 2000 (Figure 3). Marsupials (9x), rodents (8x) and xenarthrans (7x) were the groups that were expected to have increased in popularity the most. Carnivores, in particular small carnivores, and primates, in particular lemurs and callitrichids, were also mentioned often.
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Figure 3: Wordcloud representing all answers to which mammal groups have gained most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all primates)
When it comes to mammals that have lost popularity since 2000 it were the ungulates (13x), with event-toed ungulates and bovids in particular, and cetaceans (13x) that were generally expected to have done worst (Figure 4). Primates and in particular the old world monkeys were another group that is widely expected to not have done great, whereas primates were by others mentioned as a group that has increased in popularity. Carnivores (6x) are another group zoochatters can’t seem to agree about. Bats (5x), rodents (3x) and elephants (2x) are the other groups that were mentioned more then once.
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Figure 4: Wordcloud representing all answers to which mammal groups have lost the most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all primates)
Birds
Similarly to mammals there was quite strong agreement with most people thinking the number of bird species in European zoos has declined (Figure 5), with 30 people expecting a decrease, 5 no change and 3 people expecting an increase. The median expected decrease was 13%, though there were 16 people who expected a decrease of at least 20%.
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Figure 5: Overview of expected change of the number of bird species from 2000-2023
While there were wildly different expectations on trends, there was maybe even more disagreement on how many species have been kept in Europe (Figure 6). The responses varied between 430 and 3000 species kept in 2000 and 280 and 3000 species now. The median response was 1500 species kept in 2000, and 1200 species kept currently in Europe.
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Figure 6: Expected number of bird species present in 2000 (yellow) and 2023 (blue), with the median for each year represented by the vertical line (yellowbrown for 2000, skyblue for 2023)
It appears that it was more difficult to pick bird groups that had increased or decreased compared to the mammals, given that there were less answers filled in and there was more variation within those answers (Figure 7). There is however one clear expected winner with the Parrots (mentioned 9x), with penguins (6x), doves (4x), pelecaniformes (4x), hornbills (3x) and owls (3x) following. Passerines (2x), ratites (2x) and galliformes (2x) also got multiple mentions.
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Figure 7: Wordcloud representing all answers to which bird groups have gained most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all passerines)
When picking birds gaining in popularity was hard, even less responses for birds losing popularity came in (Figure 8). With passerines (9x) there is however a clear front runner, parrots (4x) came second and the shore birds/ Charadriiformes (3x), hummingbirds (3x), parrots (3x) and galliformes (3x) came third. Only toucan were mentioned twice and an array of species ranging from gannets to hornbills and sunbirds were mentioned once.
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Figure 8: Wordcloud representing all answers to which bird groups have lost the most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all passerines)
Summarizing
While there is quite a bit of variation in the answers it is clear that overall Zoochatters expect that species richness of both mammals and birds has decreased, with a median of 13% since 2000. How many species are and have been present is something there wasn’t strong agreement on and nobody nailed the test, though some people came close with their species richness estimates for either birds or mammals. There seems to be a bit more certainty about which mammal groups are responsible for the trends, whereas with birds there seems even more uncertainty. But in both mammals and birds some groups were mentioned both as increasing and as decreasing in popularity. I am not going to give away any answers now, you shall have to find out along the way.
This means all the preparations are done and we can start with the real work: the species accounts. I will soon start with our prickly friends from down under, though less down under than in the past![]()
Only a survey of ZooChat members could possibly have expected so many of the answers to an open ended question to be "Xenarthrans".What does Zoochat expect?
Over the past weeks nearly 40 people have filled in the small survey I was stalking everyone about. I have analysed the results and it has yielded some interesting results. It is clear that Xoochatters can hit the mark at times, but other predictions were widely off. That is maybe not surprising given that all but 1 reply said that they were either somewhat or very unconfident about their responses.
Mammals
There was quite broad agreement on the trend that zoochatters think mammal diversity is going (Figure 1). 28 people expect a decrease, 2 believe the trend is stable and 8 people think the number of mammal species has increased since 2000. The median expected change is a 13% decrease in the number of mammal species held.
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Figure 1: Overview of expected change of the number of mammal species from 2000-2023
While there were wildly different expectations on trends, there was maybe even more disagreement on how many species have been kept in Europe (Figure 2). The responses varied between 250 and 1500 species kept in 2000 and 170 and 2200 species now. The median response was 800 species kept in 2000, and 723 species kept currently in Europe. (for people with some knowledge of statistics: I use median here as the average instead of mean as the data is far from normally distributed.)
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Figure 2: Expected number of mammal species present in 2000 (yellow) and 2023 (blue), with the median for each year represented by the vertical line (yellowbrown for 2000, skyblue for 2023)
There was quite a bit of agreement on which mammals have increased in popularity since 2000 (Figure 3). Marsupials (9x), rodents (8x) and xenarthrans (7x) were the groups that were expected to have increased in popularity the most. Carnivores, in particular small carnivores, and primates, in particular lemurs and callitrichids, were also mentioned often.
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Figure 3: Wordcloud representing all answers to which mammal groups have gained most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all primates)
When it comes to mammals that have lost popularity since 2000 it were the ungulates (13x), with event-toed ungulates and bovids in particular, and cetaceans (13x) that were generally expected to have done worst (Figure 4). Primates and in particular the old world monkeys were another group that is widely expected to not have done great, whereas primates were by others mentioned as a group that has increased in popularity. Carnivores (6x) are another group zoochatters can’t seem to agree about. Bats (5x), rodents (3x) and elephants (2x) are the other groups that were mentioned more then once.
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Figure 4: Wordcloud representing all answers to which mammal groups have lost the most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all primates)
Birds
Similarly to mammals there was quite strong agreement with most people thinking the number of bird species in European zoos has declined (Figure 5), with 30 people expecting a decrease, 5 no change and 3 people expecting an increase. The median expected decrease was 13%, though there were 16 people who expected a decrease of at least 20%.
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Figure 5: Overview of expected change of the number of bird species from 2000-2023
While there were wildly different expectations on trends, there was maybe even more disagreement on how many species have been kept in Europe (Figure 6). The responses varied between 430 and 3000 species kept in 2000 and 280 and 3000 species now. The median response was 1500 species kept in 2000, and 1200 species kept currently in Europe.
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Figure 6: Expected number of bird species present in 2000 (yellow) and 2023 (blue), with the median for each year represented by the vertical line (yellowbrown for 2000, skyblue for 2023)
It appears that it was more difficult to pick bird groups that had increased or decreased compared to the mammals, given that there were less answers filled in and there was more variation within those answers (Figure 7). There is however one clear expected winner with the Parrots (mentioned 9x), with penguins (6x), doves (4x), pelecaniformes (4x), hornbills (3x) and owls (3x) following. Passerines (2x), ratites (2x) and galliformes (2x) also got multiple mentions.
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Figure 7: Wordcloud representing all answers to which bird groups have gained most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all passerines)
When picking birds gaining in popularity was hard, even less responses for birds losing popularity came in (Figure 8). With passerines (9x) there is however a clear front runner, parrots (4x) came second and the shore birds/ Charadriiformes (3x), hummingbirds (3x), parrots (3x) and galliformes (3x) came third. Only toucan were mentioned twice and an array of species ranging from gannets to hornbills and sunbirds were mentioned once.
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Figure 8: Wordcloud representing all answers to which bird groups have lost the most popularity this century. The larger the font size, the more mentions. Groups with the same colour represent the same taxonomic group (e.g. all passerines)
Summarizing
While there is quite a bit of variation in the answers it is clear that overall Zoochatters expect that species richness of both mammals and birds has decreased, with a median of 13% since 2000. How many species are and have been present is something there wasn’t strong agreement on and nobody nailed the test, though some people came close with their species richness estimates for either birds or mammals. There seems to be a bit more certainty about which mammal groups are responsible for the trends, whereas with birds there seems even more uncertainty. But in both mammals and birds some groups were mentioned both as increasing and as decreasing in popularity. I am not going to give away any answers now, you shall have to find out along the way.
This means all the preparations are done and we can start with the real work: the species accounts. I will soon start with our prickly friends from down under, though less down under than in the past![]()
While there were wildly different expectations on trends, there was maybe even more disagreement on how many species have been kept in Europe (Figure 2). The responses varied between 250 and 1500 species kept in 2000 and 170 and 2200 species now.
While there were wildly different expectations on trends, there was maybe even more disagreement on how many species have been kept in Europe (Figure 6). The responses varied between 430 and 3000 species kept in 2000 and 280 and 3000 species now. The median response was 1500 species kept in 2000, and 1200 species kept currently in Europe.
A rather wider range of responses than I expected - and I certainly didn't expect anyone to think around one-third of all extant mammal species are present in European collections today!
@lintworm , out of curiosity did you fill in the form before your research and if so, how did you fare?
For example, the remaining animals in Dierenpark Planckendael, Mechelen, and Paignton Zoo are both approximately 50 years old
And both are wild-born, at that - I'm not sure whether any of the other remaining Australian animals in Europe (at Frankfurt and Duisburg) were among the tiny number successfully born and reared *in* a European collection , but if they are the odds are good they'll be around for some decades yet given the first such birth took place as recently as 1995.