New York trip planning help

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Hi all, I should be visiting New York next year and im getting some early planning out of the way in regards to zoos. I would consider myself a relatively fast walker, and i usually do a few zoos in a day on my trips. I also target rare or unique species which are less common in zoos and so a few decisions will be made on that, but i would still like to visit as many as i can in the time i am there.

i have allocated 3 days for zoos on my trip and this is my shortlist of zoos:
Bronx (which i am 100% visiting)
Central Park
Queens
Prospect Park
New York Aquarium
Bergen County (only if the brocket is still alive)
Turtle back (Only if the pangolin is still alive, unless there are any other rarities here)

Bearing in mind that I am definitely visiting Bronx, this gives me 2 days to fit in as many zoos as possible. I will have access to a car so travel shouldnt be an issue, what combinations would be most effective? and do queens or prospect park have any species that would be considered a rarity for a european?? Likewise, is the pangolin or the brocket still alive at turtle back and bergen county respectively?? and finally are there any other collections of interest that i am missing out on??
Many thanks
 
You can easily do Bergen and Turtle Back in a day, or the two Brooklyn facilities in a day, Bergen still has brocket (and they're always easy to see when I go). Turtle Back doesn't have pangolin.
 
Hi all, I should be visiting New York next year and im getting some early planning out of the way in regards to zoos. I would consider myself a relatively fast walker, and i usually do a few zoos in a day on my trips. I also target rare or unique species which are less common in zoos and so a few decisions will be made on that, but i would still like to visit as many as i can in the time i am there.

i have allocated 3 days for zoos on my trip and this is my shortlist of zoos:
Bronx (which i am 100% visiting)
Central Park
Queens
Prospect Park
New York Aquarium
Bergen County (only if the brocket is still alive)
Turtle back (Only if the pangolin is still alive, unless there are any other rarities here)

Bearing in mind that I am definitely visiting Bronx, this gives me 2 days to fit in as many zoos as possible. I will have access to a car so travel shouldnt be an issue, what combinations would be most effective? and do queens or prospect park have any species that would be considered a rarity for a european?? Likewise, is the pangolin or the brocket still alive at turtle back and bergen county respectively?? and finally are there any other collections of interest that i am missing out on??
Many thanks
Turtle Back does not have a pangolin (I don't think they ever exhibited one), but there are still two brocket deer at Bergen County. I had more time than you, but on a recent trip to New York City I combined the following zoos to one day:
- New York Aquarium and Prospect Park Zoo
- Queens Zoo and Staten Island Zoo
- Bergen County Zoo and Turtle Back Zoo

I also visited Bronx Zoo over 1.5 days, and also visited Central Park Zoo on its own day.

Here's a short blurb on my impression of each non-Bronx zoo:
- Bergen County Zoo is small and doesn't have the same "feel" of some of the other zoos, without the historic feel of the NYC collections or the modern feel of Turtle Back. I don't know 100% what's rare in Europe, but I suspect Red Wolf, Baird's Tapir, and Goeldi's Monkey would be notable to you.

- Turtle Back Zoo was one I didn't go into with high expectations, but was blown away with. A lot of high quality exhibits, and the sea turtle rehab exhibit is very unique. There's also an excellent Savanna area with six Masai Giraffes (which I don't think are common in Europe). Turtle Back isn't really the kind of zoo to be rarity-heavy, however, and outside of the reptile house there wasn't much that isn't commonly seen.

- New York Aquarium was another one I was very impressed with, especially due to the Shark exhibit. I highly recommend it, and this is as someone who isn't often impressed by aquariums.

- Prospect Park Zoo is a neat little zoo, and while I certainly enjoyed it, I also view it as a very skippable Zoo if need be. The highlight for me was their large troop of hamadryas baboons, however I suspect you'd find some of their smaller species to be unique rarities.

- Central Park Zoo was a facility I was pleasantly surprised with. While still small, it's a step above any of the other small WCS zoos, in particular they have a really nice, impressive waterfowl aviary as part of their Children's Zoo, and the Tropics building is impressive due to its large collection of free-ranging Starlings (multiple different species). If you were to do one non-Bronx WCS Zoo, this is the one I'd recommend.

- Queens Zoo is one I don't recommend. Out of all the zoos on my trip, it was the least memorable, and there wasn't much that was really notable. The Andean Bear exhibit is excellent, and their large historic aviary is impressive, albeit understocked. Species wise, it is very mammal centric and there's not much super notable (although how common are pronghorn or thick-billed parrots in Europe?) The collection is entirely species from the Americas, so that could be up your alley if this is your first time at US Zoos.

- Staten Island Zoo I highly recommend, and I'm surprised you didn't list it as part of your shortlist. Their historic reptile house is excellent, with a very large collection of Venomous snakes- including one of the largest rattlesnake collections in the country. The zoo also has a klipspringer, which might be of interest to you.

If I was to suggest an itinerary, my suggestions for two days would be:
- NY Aquarium and Central Park Zoo utilizing public transportation
- Turtle Back Zoo and Staten Island Zoo utilizing your car.

That being said, I'm not as interested in rarities as you, so am basing this perhaps more heavy on exhibit quality than you would like.
 
I lived in New York City on and off for a couple years, and I would basically agree with all of Neil’s comments. The Bronx Zoo and New York Aquarium are the best two “zoos” in the area. While Prospect Park and Queens are nice, they are also probably skippable for a trip like this.

One place I do want to give a shout-out to is the American Museum of Natural History, which is one of the premier natural history museums in the country (certainly better than the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History in DC, in my opinion). Some of the taxidermy exhibits at the American Museum of Natural History are unbelievable, with murals that are particularly beautifully painted. There are also some rare species here, including taxidermy Tuataras, taxidermy Proboscis Monkeys, and taxidermy Sumatran Rhinos. There is also a new insectarium, which is small but it does have an impressive and innovative leaf cutter ant exhibit. Because the live animal attractions here are quite limited, I can understand skipping the museum since you are only going for a short trip. But I would feel wrong if it wasn’t even considered, as the place is one of the premier museums in the nation and the amount of rare mounts and beautiful dioramas is quite impressive.
 
Hi there! New Yorker and WCS volunteer here. All of the WCS parks are very small except Bronx Zoo. I volunteer at Prospect Park Zoo, and out of the 5 WCS parks, it certainly offers the most unique and rare collection of animals. It’s one of the only places to see dingos in the country, and also offers sand cats, Pallas’ cats, wreathed hornbills, five species of primate, the rare and elusive tufted deer, as well as Styan’s red pandas, the less common of the two subspecies housed in US zoos.

To me personally, Central Park is my least favorite of them all. It mostly has a very basic animal collection and is small and a pain to get to as someone who lives on the far outskirts of Queens. I find its exhibits to be the most dated in the system and it’s the one I visit least.

Staten Island is older, but is a little hidden gem. It is home to the only cassowary in the northeast and is the only zoo in NYC with binturongs. I particularly like their viewing of their fossa, Zoe, as opposed to Bronx Zoo where it can very hard to see their fossa. Staten Island also has emperor tamarins and a very nice Amur leopard exhibit that is home to one leopard in particular named Liski who is one of the most beautiful leopards I’ve ever seen.

Bronx Zoo is the Crown Jewel, it’s absolutely massive though and takes a lot of time to see it all. I’ll let it speak for itself!

Lastly, Bergen County may be the most charming little zoo you will ever visit. Its quaint little village feel and the train that runs around its perimeter are so endearing. And, if I were you, I wouldn’t pass up the opportunity to see brocket deer. Who knows if they will ever show up in American zoos again once the two there and the ones at Phoenix are gone.

Enjoy your trip and feel free reach out if you have any questions!
 
There should still be a brown-mantled tamarin at the Jenkinson's Aquarium. That facility is a bit further out but might be worth the drive becauae there are only a few holders in Europe.
 
- Turtle Back Zoo was one I didn't go into with high expectations, but was blown away with. A lot of high quality exhibits, and the sea turtle rehab exhibit is very unique. There's also an excellent Savanna area with six Masai Giraffes (which I don't think are common in Europe). Turtle Back isn't really the kind of zoo to be rarity-heavy, however, and outside of the reptile house there wasn't much that isn't commonly seen.
TBZ also has (or had) bontebok which isn’t kept in Europe.
 
I volunteer at Prospect Park Zoo, and out of the 5 WCS parks, it certainly offers the most unique and rare collection of animals
Really? I would "certainly" say that Bronx Zoo has a more "unique and rare" collection. Bronx has multiple species they are the only place in the country to keep, and especially among herps, birds, and ungulates they have a lot of very seldom-seen species. Of course partially this is due to size, since Bronx obviously has a much larger collection, but I still don't think it's fair to say Prospect Park has a collection more unique and rare than Bronx. Central Park also has a number of seldom-seen species as well, especially in terms of their waterfowl aviary. I would definitely not consider their collection "basic" either, unless you are looking strictly at their (small) collection of Mammals.
 
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- Queens Zoo is one I don't recommend. Out of all the zoos on my trip, it was the least memorable, and there wasn't much that was really notable. The Andean Bear exhibit is excellent, and their large historic aviary is impressive, albeit understocked. Species wise, it is very mammal centric and there's not much super notable (although how common are pronghorn or thick-billed parrots in Europe?) The collection is entirely species from the Americas, so that could be up your alley if this is your first time at US Zoos..
There are no pronghorns listed on ZTL. ZTL lists 5 collections with thick-billed parrots in Europe.
 
One place I do want to give a shout-out to is the American Museum of Natural History, which is one of the premier natural history museums in the country...
I would go further and say the American Museum of Natural History is probably the premier natural history museum in the world. The Akeley Hall of African Mammals is, without doubt, the finest museum gallery I've ever seen.

Anybody seriously interested in zoology should visit this museum whilst in New York.
 
Yes, they do still have bontebok. I didn't realize it isn't kept in Europe though, interesting.

In North America the Bontebok are more specifically the Nominate species of Bontebok (which are generally confusingly also referred to as bontebok) while in Europe we have the phillipsi subspecies of Bontebok which is called the Blesbok ;). So really we have the same species, just different subspecies.
 
Turtle Back does not have a pangolin (I don't think they ever exhibited one), but there are still two brocket deer at Bergen County. I had more time than you, but on a recent trip to New York City I combined the following zoos to one day:
- New York Aquarium and Prospect Park Zoo
- Queens Zoo and Staten Island Zoo
- Bergen County Zoo and Turtle Back Zoo

I also visited Bronx Zoo over 1.5 days, and also visited Central Park Zoo on its own day.

Here's a short blurb on my impression of each non-Bronx zoo:
- Bergen County Zoo is small and doesn't have the same "feel" of some of the other zoos, without the historic feel of the NYC collections or the modern feel of Turtle Back. I don't know 100% what's rare in Europe, but I suspect Red Wolf, Baird's Tapir, and Goeldi's Monkey would be notable to you.

- Turtle Back Zoo was one I didn't go into with high expectations, but was blown away with. A lot of high quality exhibits, and the sea turtle rehab exhibit is very unique. There's also an excellent Savanna area with six Masai Giraffes (which I don't think are common in Europe). Turtle Back isn't really the kind of zoo to be rarity-heavy, however, and outside of the reptile house there wasn't much that isn't commonly seen.

- New York Aquarium was another one I was very impressed with, especially due to the Shark exhibit. I highly recommend it, and this is as someone who isn't often impressed by aquariums.

- Prospect Park Zoo is a neat little zoo, and while I certainly enjoyed it, I also view it as a very skippable Zoo if need be. The highlight for me was their large troop of hamadryas baboons, however I suspect you'd find some of their smaller species to be unique rarities.

- Central Park Zoo was a facility I was pleasantly surprised with. While still small, it's a step above any of the other small WCS zoos, in particular they have a really nice, impressive waterfowl aviary as part of their Children's Zoo, and the Tropics building is impressive due to its large collection of free-ranging Starlings (multiple different species). If you were to do one non-Bronx WCS Zoo, this is the one I'd recommend.

- Queens Zoo is one I don't recommend. Out of all the zoos on my trip, it was the least memorable, and there wasn't much that was really notable. The Andean Bear exhibit is excellent, and their large historic aviary is impressive, albeit understocked. Species wise, it is very mammal centric and there's not much super notable (although how common are pronghorn or thick-billed parrots in Europe?) The collection is entirely species from the Americas, so that could be up your alley if this is your first time at US Zoos.

- Staten Island Zoo I highly recommend, and I'm surprised you didn't list it as part of your shortlist. Their historic reptile house is excellent, with a very large collection of Venomous snakes- including one of the largest rattlesnake collections in the country. The zoo also has a klipspringer, which might be of interest to you.

If I was to suggest an itinerary, my suggestions for two days would be:
- NY Aquarium and Central Park Zoo utilizing public transportation
- Turtle Back Zoo and Staten Island Zoo utilizing your car.

That being said, I'm not as interested in rarities as you, so am basing this perhaps more heavy on exhibit quality than you would like.
Goeldi's monkey is quite the opposite of a rarity in Europe :D

Pronghorn are completely absent outside of North America, I'd definitely visit Queens just to see it.
 
Really? I would "certainly" say that Bronx Zoo has a more "unique and rare" collection. Bronx has multiple species they are the only place in the country to keep, and especially among herps, birds, and ungulates they have a lot of very seldom-seen species. Of course partially this is due to size, since Bronx obviously has a much larger collection, but I still don't think it's fair to say Prospect Park has a collection more unique and rare than Bronx. Central Park also has a number of seldom-seen species as well, especially in terms of their waterfowl aviary. I would definitely not consider their collection "basic" either, unless you are looking strictly at their (small) collection of Mammals.
I just feel like there are so many unique species at Prospect for its size and that for a fraction of the time and price of going to Bronx, it's definitely worth the trip.
 
Goeldi's monkey is quite the opposite of a rarity in Europe :D

Pronghorn are completely absent outside of North America, I'd definitely visit Queens just to see it.
We aware, I have been to Queens Zoo at least twice a month for the past two years and have never seen the pronghorn. I've seen them on occasion in a back meadow that is very difficult to see from the elk viewing hut, but that's it.
 
Really? I would "certainly" say that Bronx Zoo has a more "unique and rare" collection. Bronx has multiple species they are the only place in the country to keep, and especially among herps, birds, and ungulates they have a lot of very seldom-seen species. Of course partially this is due to size, since Bronx obviously has a much larger collection, but I still don't think it's fair to say Prospect Park has a collection more unique and rare than Bronx. Central Park also has a number of seldom-seen species as well, especially in terms of their waterfowl aviary. I would definitely not consider their collection "basic" either, unless you are looking strictly at their (small) collection of Mammals.

If we're talking species that would be new from a European perspective, Bronx has by far the most and it isn't close. Then maybe Queens, then Central Park, then Prospect Park. Queens has a bunch of species either not at all present or very rare in Europe due to the focus on native species. CPZ has if I remember correctly quite a choice avian collection. Prospect Park has virtually nothing that wouldn't be considered common in Europe apart from the styani red pandas which can likely be seen elsewhere.

As for Turtle Back, the only species I can seem to find that qualify as at least somewhat rare in Europe would be Bobcat, American black bear and Hellbender. Not sure it's worth the hassle getting there.
 
As for Turtle Back, the only species I can seem to find that qualify as at least somewhat rare in Europe would be Bobcat, American black bear and Hellbender. Not sure it's worth the hassle getting there.
Turtleback also has or had tentacled snake Cooper’s hawk if they count as rarities. Having seen how large the OP’s list if visited zoos are I’d assume they already seen the species you mentioned (plus tentacled snake.)
 
ZTL says there are tentacled snakes at Chester Zoo and 3 other ZTL collections but doesn't list any Cooper's hawks in ZTL collections
 
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