Giant Panda Future in America

Zoo adventures said:
Bamboo cannot be grown in other countries. China is getting a lot of money from these animals,s
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Spike said:
That makes sense now
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It may make sense to you, but it's still completely untrue :p plenty of places outside China have the correct conditions to grow the "correct" bamboo species and/or cultivars.... and some zoological collections do indeed produce their own bamboo for their giant pandas.
 
Zoo adventures said:
Bamboo cannot be grown in other countries. China is getting a lot of money from these animals,s
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Bamboo can be grown anywhere in the right conditions. The Edinburgh pandas for example have bamboo grown in the Netherlands and I believe also Sweden as well as Scotland of course, there is literally a place in Aberdeen where they grow it.
 
GeeZee said:
Bamboo can be grown anywhere in the right conditions. The Edinburgh pandas for example have bamboo grown in the Netherlands and I believe also Sweden as well as Scotland of course, there is literally a place in Aberdeen where they grow it.
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French producers grow bamboo too for the Beauval's Pandas.
We aren't in the time of the Pandas of Vincennes that were fed with bamboo imported from China by airplane !
So it is theoretically possible to grow edible bamboo in North America (but not probably under all types of climates, I would exclude most of Canada and the arid zones of the Southwest).
 
Haliaeetus said:
So it is theoretically possible to grow edible bamboo in North America (but not probably under all types of climates, I would exclude most of Canada and the arid zones of the Southwest).
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San Diego grew theirs on site afaik, I think possibly Atlanta did too. Bamboo certainly grows quite well in many areas along the Pacific Coast, I've seen bamboo groves in many areas.
 
Yeah I know for the Bronx's red pandas, the bamboo around the Asia entrance is trimmed for their feeding. Bamboo seems to grow well anywhere so I imagine it's just a matter of seeing what bamboo is best for them and what can thrive in the local climate.
 
Smithsonian Zoo's giant pandas are going back to China, they are still on the plane right now. Now zoo Atlanta is the last in the US to have giant panda.
 
The three giant pandas arrived safely in China, the male cub will go to mating when he reaches 7 or 8 years old. The two other pandas are too old.
 
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From the article above:
Xi:
“We are ready to continue our cooperation with the United States on panda conservation, and do our best to meet the wishes of the Californians so as to deepen the friendly ties between our two peoples,” Xi said Wednesday during a dinner speech with business leaders.
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The AP:
Xi did not share additional details on when or where pandas might be provided but appeared to suggest the next pair of pandas are most likely to come to California, probably San Diego.
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Maybe Oakland will finally get them! LOL, yeah, probably San Diego. :)
 
AnActualFan said:
More pandas will be coming to the US, China’s president signals

Looks like San Diego is getting giant pandas back.
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Although I admire your optimism, at the same time this is a naïve reading of the situation when you look at Chinese diplomatic history. Xi (who is usually associated with Winnie the Pooh, rather than Pandas) can and will say what he likes to generate positive press coverage. Pandas will not be coming back to the United States anytime soon, and that article is full of assumptions taken at face value. It also states 'probably San Diego' providing no evidence that there is anything in the pipeline.

SwampDonkey said:
From the article above:
Xi:

The AP:


Maybe Oakland will finally get them! LOL, yeah, probably San Diego. :)
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Nobody is getting them.
 
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Xi also said, according to the article:
“I was told that many American people, especially children, were really reluctant to say goodbye to the pandas, and went to the zoo to see them off,” Xi said in his speech. He added that he learned the San Diego Zoo and people in California “very much look forward to welcoming pandas back.”
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Cat-Man said:
Although I admire your optimism, at the same time this is a naïve reading of the situation when you look at Chinese diplomatic history. Xi (who is usually associated with Winnie the Pooh, rather than Pandas) can and will say what he likes to generate positive press coverage. Pandas will not be coming back to the United States anytime soon, and that article is full of assumptions taken at face value. It also states 'probably San Diego' providing no evidence that there is anything in the pipeline.
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You very well may be correct, but to be fair, the article really does imply they will be back sooner than later, and Xi seems to be implying that.

Nobody is getting them.
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That's quite a certain statement when the most current development (this story) is stating otherwise. The real truth is we (on this forum) have no idea what conversations are going on behind the scenes with US zoos and China. No one is going to put out any information until there are concrete agreements in place. For all we know San Diego is in end stage negotiations.

We just don't know, so certain statements in either direction are misplaced.
 
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SwampDonkey said:
You very well may be correct, but to be fair, the article really does imply they will be back sooner than later, and Xi seems to be implying that.


That's quite a certain statement when the most current development (this story) is stating otherwise. The real truth is we (on this forum) have no idea what conversations are going on behind the scenes with US zoos and China. No one is going to put out any information until there are concrete agreements in place. For all we know San Diego is in end stage negotiations.

We just don't know, so certain statements in either direction are misplaced.
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Thanks for saying this Swamp Donkey (great name by the way).
There is a ton of guess work and minimal knowledge of what is really happening among most of us inc me.. Panda diplomacy is a real thing but at same time not all pandas in US were owned by same branches of the Chinese government. I believe the National and San Diego pandas came from the Wolong center, Atlanta's pandas came from Cheng Du (sp?) center and Memphis.... I don't remember. These government groups maybe didn't always work well together. Why didn't Atlanta offspring get paired with San Diego/National offspring. Crazy huh. But that could totally happen in other countries inc US if USFWS was not playing nice with a state govt, USDA etc.
Let's hope for pandas but let's stop guessing when none of us know diddly about the reality!
 
Torgos said:
Thanks for saying this Swamp Donkey (great name by the way).
There is a ton of guess work and minimal knowledge of what is really happening among most of us inc me.. Panda diplomacy is a real thing but at same time not all pandas in US were owned by same branches of the Chinese government. I believe the National and San Diego pandas came from the Wolong center, Atlanta's pandas came from Cheng Du (sp?) center and Memphis.... I don't remember. These government groups maybe didn't always work well together. Why didn't Atlanta offspring get paired with San Diego/National offspring. Crazy huh. But that could totally happen in other countries inc US if USFWS was not playing nice with a state govt, USDA etc.
Let's hope for pandas but let's stop guessing when none of us know diddly about the reality!
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All offspring were required to go back to China. They came from different centers but were all owned by the same government.
 
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