White Tigers

[TinoPup]

Nope! How about you?



"In October 1924 the American Association of Zoological Parks and Aquariums was formed as an affiliate of the American Institute of Park Executives. In 1966, the American Association of Zoological Parks and Aquariums became a professional branch affiliate of the newly formed National Recreation and Park Association, which absorbed the American Institute of Park Executives.

In the fall of 1971, the American Association of Zoological Parks and Aquariums membership voted to become an independent association. On January 19, 1972, it was chartered as the American Association of Zoological Parks and Aquariums with its executive office located in Wheeling, West Virginia, within the Oglebay Park Good Zoo. In 1994, the shorter name American Zoo and Aquarium Association (AZA) was adopted."

:Association of Zoos and Aquariums - Wikipedia

I'm not the one using the statistic

Cool, thanks for backing me up when I say the AZA didn't exist in the 1960s.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

I'm not the one using the statistic

And yet I've seen it countless times on white tiger information sites, which have otherwise contained accurate information.

Cool, thanks for backing me up when I say the AZA didn't exist in the 1960s.

Are you seriously arguing that just because the AZA didn't exist in it's exact modern day form in the '60's, that there was no regulating body for American zoos back then? Because that very obviously isn't true. The AZA's predecessor organization existed back then.

 

[Great Argus]

Why though? Where's the monetary incentive? Another part of the act involves keeping the public fifteen feet back from big cat enclosures, so no offering "up close and personal" encounters for extra cash.

Like I said earlier, so they don't have to figure out acquiring new cats from other sources - easier to just breed them. Tigers and other large cats are still a major draw even if the public is not allowed to interact with them.

Name them.

Tanganyika Wildlife Park is the main one that comes to mind, particularly for smaller Panthera.

 

[Great Argus]

Are you seriously arguing that just because the AZA didn't exist in it's exact modern day form in the '60's, that there was no regulating body for American zoos back then? Because that very obviously isn't true. The AZA's predecessor organization existed back then.

That was not the argument. The AZA as it stands did not exist until '71 - nothing was originally said about no regulating organization. Not that much regulating was done until the AZA anyway afaik.

 

[15399]

Are you seriously arguing that just because the AZA didn't exist in it's exact modern day form in the '60's, that there was no regulating body for American zoos back then? Because that very obviously isn't true. The AZA's predecessor organization existed back then.

Prior to 1974, there wasn't an accrediting body. Yes, zoo associations still existed in some form to allow collaboration between facilities, exchange of ideas and animals, etc., but they wouldn't have had the same oversight function prior to 1974, when the AZA started to accredit zoos. So yes, you are blaming the AZA for stuff they had absolutely no control over and nothing to do with at all.

 

[TinoPup]

And yet I've seen it countless times on white tiger information sites, which have otherwise contained accurate information.



Are you seriously arguing that just because the AZA didn't exist in it's exact modern day form in the '60's, that there was no regulating body for American zoos back then? Because that very obviously isn't true. The AZA's predecessor organization existed back then.

So what? You're quoting a statistic to make a point, when you don't know what the statistic means.

Let me quote myself, twice, for you.

The AZA didn't even exist in the 1960s

the AZA didn't exist in the 1960s.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

Like I said earlier, so they don't have to figure out acquiring new cats from other sources - easier to just breed them. Tigers and other large cats are still a major draw even if the public is not allowed to interact with them.

So they're just breeding to produce replacement stock then. That is a significant improvement over the status quo prior to the passage of the act.

Tanganyika Wildlife Park is the main one that comes to mind, particularly for smaller Panthera.

Tanganyika Wildlife Park is not a roadside zoo. It's not a particularly conventional facility, but it's hardly Joe Exotic's Wynnewood.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

That was not the argument. The AZA as it stands did not exist until '71 - nothing was originally said about no regulating organization.

I was under the impression that TinoPup was arguing that no regulating organization existed pre-AZA, which is why I pointed out that it's predecessor did exist back then.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

So yes, you are blaming the AZA for stuff they had absolutely no control over and nothing to do with at all.

The AZA had oversight of all post-1974 white tiger litters. Hell, Cincinnati's first litter was born in 1974.

 

[PossumRoach]

Tanganyika Wildlife Park is not a roadside zoo. It's not a particularly conventional facility, but it's hardly Joe Exotic's Wynnewood.

@/Great Argus has never used the term “roadside zoo” in this thread once, even when they were referring to privately owned zoos breeding big cats. So I don’t really understand the point of bringing up the semantics of what is or isn’t a roadside zoo.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

@/Great Argus has never used the term “roadside zoo” in this thread once, even when they were referring to privately owned zoos breeding big cats.

I never said that they did.

Edit: It's not very nice to edit your post after someone replies to it you know.

Regardless, the Big Cat Public Safety Act was intended to put a stop to privately-owned facilities where big cats often lived in poor conditions and where typically bred from excessively. Those are the places that get the roadside zoo label slapped onto them.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

So what? You're quoting a statistic to make a point, when you don't know what the statistic means.

While I'd certainly prefer a citation for it, given it's inclusion on 'sites that I would consider reliable and reputable, I'm choosing to trust that it's accurate.

 

[Great Argus]

Tanganyika Wildlife Park is not a roadside zoo. It's not a particularly conventional facility, but it's hardly Joe Exotic's Wynnewood.

Tanganyika routinely supplies low end facilities with cats. Their standards are not great.

I was under the impression that TinoPup was arguing that no regulating organization existed pre-AZA, which is why I pointed out that it's predecessor did exist back then.

That was not my impression nor was it the argument. Also, very little regulation was done before the AZA, nor is the AZA that powerful. Worst the AZA can do is revoke your exclusive club membership.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

Tanganyika routinely supplies low end facilities with cats. Their standards are not great.

I never said that it was a good, let alone great facility. I don't approve of many things that Tanganyika does, I just noted that it's standards are better than the notorious Wynnewood's... Which is an incredibly low bar to clear.

 

[Wisp O' Mist]

That was not my impression nor was it the argument.

And I have already explained to you what my impression was. Since we're discussing why I replied in a certain way to certain things, that's all that matters.

 

[TinoPup]

While I'd certainly prefer a citation for it, given it's inclusion on 'sites that I would consider reliable and reputable, I'm choosing to trust that it's accurate.

Accurate for what is my point. Having 70 tigers live to adulthood is a huge difference from having 10 stillbirths, 30 infant deaths, and 30 live to adulthood.

Noted that you can tell others you were under the wrong impression about something I said (because you were making assumptions), but you can't say anything to me about it.

 

[Great Argus]

I never said that it was a good, let alone great facility. I don't approve of many things that Tanganyika does, I just noted that it's standards are better than the notorious Wynnewood's... Which is an incredibly low bar to clear.

You said it wasn't a roadside, so that certainly elevates it considerably in normal terms used in discussion.

 

[TinoPup]

And I have already explained to you what my impression was. Since we're discussing why I replied in a certain way to certain things, that's all that matters.

So it doesn't matter that you continued to argue with me about what I said, because you were making assumptions or something instead of actually reading what I wrote?

 

[PossumRoach]

I never said that they did.

Then why did you put in the extra effort to explain them that Tanganyika isn’t a roadside zoo? All GA did was to answer your question, which was to tell you a private zoo that supplies other private zoos with big cats.

 

[Evirapo]

Much argument here over "Breeding morph/mutation" as the trend has nothing to do with it