She is the only *permanent* display animal. There's rescue centers along the west coast that are open to the public and always have some in.
Which is the better option?
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She is the only *permanent* display animal. There's rescue centers along the west coast that are open to the public and always have some in.
Evirapo
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What's it like? I never heard of this place because I don't live in that state.
Evirapo
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That's painful to look at... They should get better exhibitsI think I can best explain it in three photos I took:
Thank you very much!! I will certainly keep you informedI wish you luck on your trip and you certainly do have a lot of collections on your itinerary!I look forward to hearing how many new species you acquire. Have a good visit!
Thank you! Out of interest which are the couple you havent visited? Also thank you very much for the extensive photos of Zoo Sauvage you added to the gallery as its what made me want to go (their website doesnt give me access for some reason
)Thats a shame, is there anything else I would be missing out on by not being able to go? And also is there any other NY collection that holds any rarities you know of? Im not usually a big fan of museums but I am definitely visiting the AMNH
I presume you were meant to say one of the other two? Sauvage I’d guess?Ecomuseum doesn't have fishers. Maine Wildlife Park and Zoo Sauvage both do, though
Yes I think this sounds like a good idea, Is the national aviary worth the visit?
Honestly dont feel the need to apologise this is extremely helpful for me thank you very much
Roger Williams could possibly be a replacement for Animal Adventures in my itinery? I believe I have seen all but the guan but I am unsure of their rarity? Is there anything else there that may be of interest?
Mainly shorebirds as they seem to have some interesting ones
Yes I am going to see the falls as a short detour on my way to detroit, so I thought I’d just throw it in there really as a bit of an add on!!
Mainly for the native Ohio birds aviary, Ive been lucky enough to have seen both the monkey and the bontebok in San Diego and so they dont draw me as much unless there is anything else of note to see at Cleveland?
Ooohhh, woodrats!!! Thats very interesting thank you I may need to add Elmwood for this!
Funnily enough, they have the three toed
How much are they actually doing? To be honest it may be helpful for my itinery as it is very cramped for time and as long as the woodrats are visible then Im a happy visitor
Its in a relative order but I think the New York collections will all be at the end rather than the start as my flights are both from/to NY but the flight back gives more time to do something in the day
Im lucky enough to have seen wild elephant seals at friends of the elephant seal in Pietras Blancas, so even if the individual at PZ was on exhibit when would be there, it wouldnt take my interest as much
Oh…I think I can best explain it in three photos I took:
That is abysmal!! What on Earth??
Ive been to some pretty poor collections on my travels (namely Dvorec and a few terrible ones in Malta) and that surpasses what Ive seen by *a lot*. At least the animals can physically move around in the exhibits Ive seen!!
Also, huge thank you to both @TinoPup and @Neil chace for your very helpful posts, it is much appreciated
antilio capra
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I don't want to burden you but when you visit can you mark down the snake species?(you don't have to though)
When there look at the top of the waterfall at the main avairy, thats where a lot of the birds rest. They also took off the following species on there website: Boobook owl and blue breasted kingfisher and a species of barbet; so if you do see them please inform.
It would also be nice to know what small avairy species they have as they don't mention it on the website aside from canary.(of course you don't have to do this, but it would be appreciated) As the zoo mimics the rainforest it is just as humid you must be prepared with water and be mindful of what you wear. I hope you enjoy your trip!
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Here is a species list that I think is entirely accurate (myself and one other person both submitted lists): ZootierlisteHomepageRoger Williams could possibly be a replacement for Animal Adventures in my itinery? I believe I have seen all but the guan but I am unsure of their rarity? Is there anything else there that may be of interest?
That makes sense then
Understandable then, the falls are an impressive natural wonder, and around there can be a great place to spot wild birds (namely gulls) as well. Certainly worth the trip!
I figured the native birds might be the reason for Akron! Cleveland has pure American bison, so that could be of interest to you, also Francois' langur (which I see there are only a few European holders of), the US' only golden-bellied mangabeys, northern greater galago, aye-aye, Mueller's gibbon, mongoose lemur, Bolivian grey titi (surprises me this species is absent from Europe), chestnut-naped green imperial pigeon, and gharial.Mainly for the native Ohio birds aviary, Ive been lucky enough to have seen both the monkey and the bontebok in San Diego and so they dont draw me as much unless there is anything else of note to see at Cleveland?
Of course I can, no worries, and thank you very much for the advice too!!
Since when were American zoos on Zootierliste
That is incredible and very helpful! Thank youDo you know if the American bison here in Europe are pure at all? Also what makes them impure, is it cross-subspecies breeding i presume?
cross-breeding with domestic cattle, no idea about European zoos.
Thank you very much!! I will certainly keep you informed
Thank you! Out of interest which are the couple you havent visited? Also thank you very much for the extensive photos of Zoo Sauvage you added to the gallery as its what made me want to go (their website doesnt give me access for some reason
Thats a shame, is there anything else I would be missing out on by not being able to go? And also is there any other NY collection that holds any rarities you know of? Im not usually a big fan of museums but I am definitely visiting the AMNH
I presume you were meant to say one of the other two? Sauvage I’d guess?
Yes I think this sounds like a good idea, Is the national aviary worth the visit?
Honestly dont feel the need to apologise this is extremely helpful for me thank you very much
Roger Williams could possibly be a replacement for Animal Adventures in my itinery? I believe I have seen all but the guan but I am unsure of their rarity? Is there anything else there that may be of interest?
Mainly shorebirds as they seem to have some interesting ones
Yes I am going to see the falls as a short detour on my way to detroit, so I thought I’d just throw it in there really as a bit of an add on!!
Mainly for the native Ohio birds aviary, Ive been lucky enough to have seen both the monkey and the bontebok in San Diego and so they dont draw me as much unless there is anything else of note to see at Cleveland?
Ooohhh, woodrats!!! Thats very interesting thank you I may need to add Elmwood for this!
Funnily enough, they have the three toed
How much are they actually doing? To be honest it may be helpful for my itinery as it is very cramped for time and as long as the woodrats are visible then Im a happy visitor
Its in a relative order but I think the New York collections will all be at the end rather than the start as my flights are both from/to NY but the flight back gives more time to do something in the day
Im lucky enough to have seen wild elephant seals at friends of the elephant seal in Pietras Blancas, so even if the individual at PZ was on exhibit when would be there, it wouldnt take my interest as much
Oh…
That is abysmal!! What on Earth??
Ive been to some pretty poor collections on my travels (namely Dvorec and a few terrible ones in Malta) and that surpasses what Ive seen by *a lot*. At least the animals can physically move around in the exhibits Ive seen!!
Also, huge thank you to both @TinoPup and @Neil chace for your very helpful posts, it is much appreciated
The ones I haven't visited are Prospect Park, Cold Springs Harbor, New York Aquarium (got tickets twice but keeps getting cancelled! This will be the year!), Buttonwood, Granby (was closed when I visited QC), Scales Nature Park, Bird Kingdom, and Detroit.
You're welcome! There should be plenty of photos from all of these places from me in the gallery, lol. A note for Sauvage, I didn't do the Asian hoofstock area as 2/4 of the species are domestics and I was trying to make it to somewhere else as well. I wish I had, and I would gladly go back again.
There's nothing you'd be missing out on that you can't see elsewhere. I would consider dropping Cold Springs, as well. Getting to Long Island is AWFUL in the summer, you're likely going to lose most of your day just to visit this one place.
Sorry, yes, I meant Sauvage!
I finally visited the National Aviary this year and LOVED it. Much of it is walk-through/free-flight, as well. The grasslands area, in particular, has some small, rare species.
For rhode island/boston, think about what you want to combine in days. You can likely do roger williams and buttonwood together, I did stone and franklin park together but you could certainly do stone and the aquarium. I would suggest doing Biomes Aquarium the same day as Mystic, it's small but has a lot of local species if you're interested in fish at all.
On my visit in November there were very few birds in the aviary at Akron, and all were species I'd seen at Columbus a few days before. I believe they mostly put rescues in there, so it could change, I don't know how variable it is as I've only been to Akron the once. Every species Neil mentioned for Cleveland, other than the mangabey and pigeon, is elsewhere on your trip - bison at Bronx, aye-aye, Francois langur and mongoose lemur at Philly, gharial at Bronx, etc. There might be construction going on in the primate area at Cleveland by then, as well.
Right now at Elmwood they're redoing the entrance, turning it into a giant plaza, and adding a vet building. Much of the construction is going to be across the stream/river - they're literally doubling the size! - but the area with the woodrats won't be getting any construction as it's only a few years old
Last I checked the construction is an expansion of the Rainforest- and shouldn't impact Primates, Cats, and Aquatics building (barring the fact some species will inevitably move once it is done).
I thought they were going to be doing more with the PCA building? The rainforest was one of the few things I liked there.
What were your opinions of Quebec Aquarium by interest? Their website also seems to very much dislike me
And also what were your opinions of Catoctin?Oh dear, Long Island is where I will be picking the RV up from (Bay Shore), so I cant wait for that!
I suppose it’d be rude not to do the aquarium in that case though lol
Biomes sounds very interesting, thank you very much, I will add it with Mystic. I have also found the small Belle Isle Aquarium to pair with Detroit as they have some very interesting species
Ahh lovely!!the area with the woodrats won't be getting any construction as it's only a few years old
Also would you recommend Adventure Aquarium? For some reason it was omitted from my plan and I cant remember why I did so, is there anything of interest to see there? (other than fairy penguins as we have those here in the UK)
What were your opinions of Quebec Aquarium by interest? Their website also seems to very much dislike me
Oh dear, Long Island is where I will be picking the RV up from (Bay Shore), so I cant wait for that!
I suppose it’d be rude not to do the aquarium in that case though lol
Biomes sounds very interesting, thank you very much, I will add it with Mystic. I have also found the small Belle Isle Aquarium to pair with Detroit as they have some very interesting species
Ahh lovely!!
Also would you recommend Adventure Aquarium? For some reason it was omitted from my plan and I cant remember why I did so, is there anything of interest to see there? (other than fairy penguins as we have those here in the UK)
LOVE Quebec Aquarium, one of my favorite places that I've visited! It is a gorgeous location. I paired it with Miller Zoo but that was a bit tight, though they may have longer hours in the summer (my visit was in October). If you don't have time to visit the city, though, do that instead of Miller.
Catoctin is decent for non-AZA. They are continuing to work on improving exhibits each year and have several that should be opening in the next year, replacing some of the worst they currently have. Don't bother with the additional safari ride, it's pricey and they only have a few common species.
You're renting an RV?? You're brave, wow!
Belle Isle is the reason I haven't been to Detroit, actually - I really want to go there and it's only open on certain days, and my trips up that way haven't worked with those days!
Adventure is up to you. The main species would be the great hammerhead, which is an awesome animal to see. It's a bit pricey, though - $40 + $10 parking - so it depends if the cost/spending another day is worth it to see the one shark, essentially.
If you are in an RV and not a regular car, I would STRONGLY recommend looking into public transit options for Central Park Zoo, New York Aquarium, and New England Aquarium. I would not want to have to try and drive (and especially park) an RV through those sections of New York City or through Boston (most of the parking near NEAQ is parking garages with short ceilings too). Philadelphia, Smithsonian, and Bronx are questionable too, but should be a little easier.Oh dear, Long Island is where I will be picking the RV up from (Bay Shore), so I cant wait for that!
I don't think you *can* park an RV in NYC, other than possibly at Bronx (and good luck getting it down the streets). I drove a cargo van (like a Chevy Express, not even one with a raised roof) to Brooklyn a few years ago and ended up needing to park it for longer than planned, and none of the garages will allow even those due to height. You can't at Smithsonian I don't think, unless you can get them to let you use a bus space. At Philly, the garage is bigger than the typical NYC one and only goes up, so maybe? Or call ahead and see if you can use the lot at the far end of the zoo, since that's rarely open?
I'm sure if someone knew what they were doing, and was experienced in driving through NYC it could be done (enough bus tours go through the city, after all), but if you are wanting to have a fun vacation then why bother with the stress of that? Getting to the NYC zoos and to the New England Aquarium are fairly straightforward on public transit depending on where you are coming from, and I'd be surprised if it's difficult to Smithsonian or Philly either. Saves a big hassle and a lot of stress.
Smithsonian is so easy *I've* done it, and I get motion sickness from trains (I haven't done it since the once, mind you, lol). Philly I'm not sure about.
I'm going to warn you that their spotted seals are not always out, and probably usually aren't at all. They rotate which pinnipeds are in the enclosure, but there isn't any sort of schedule.
Do they not have two? When I was there they had access to both their public and off-exhibit spaces, and I had to pass through a few times before being successful seeing them.
Most people would probably say none of the exhibits are outstanding, although I would say Faces of the Rainforest is the single best South American exhibit in the United States of America (I'm sure everyone else would disagree). There aren't any other uncommonly held species though.
I would not recommend seeing visiting this facility and the Stone Zoo on the same day. Getting in and out of Boston can be very difficult and I don't think the zoo is open long enough for you to travel between the two of them.
I have heard terrible things about the Philadelphia subway system, although haven't used it myself.