Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary - February 2 2024
20. Red Fox Vulpes vulpes
21. Gray Fox Urocyon cinereoargenteus
Zoochat Challenge North America 2024
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20. Red Fox Vulpes vulpes
21. Gray Fox Urocyon cinereoargenteus
DesertTortoise
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Wonders of Wildlife National Museum and Aquarium (January 26, 2024)
22. American black bear (Ursus americanus)
23. Barn owl (Tyto alba)
24. American alligator (Alligator mississippiensis)
25. Orinoco crocodile (Crocodylus intermedius)
26. Zebra shark (Stegostoma tigrinum)
27. Blacknose shark (Carcharhinus acronotus)
28. Nurse shark (Ginglymostoma cirratum)
29. Epaulette shark (Hemiscyllium ocellatum)
Kansas City Zoo and Aquarium (February 3, 2024)
30. White-spotted bamboo shark (Chiloscyllium plagiosum)
31. Swell shark (Cephaloscyllium ventriosum)
32. Fennec fox (Vulpes zerda)
33. Bat-eared fox (Otocyon megalotis)
34. African wild dog (Lycaon pictus)
35. Sand cat (Felis margarita)
36. Leopard (Panthera pardus)
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Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden (Cincinnati, OH) - 03 February, 2024:
Felidae:
70. Black-footed cat (Felis nigripes)
71. Fishing cat (Prionailurus viverrinus)
72. Pallas’ cat (Otocolobus manul)
Hyaenidae:
73. Aardwolf (Proteles cristata)
Canidae:
74. African painted dog (Lycaon pictus)
75. Grey fox (Urocyon cineroargenteus)
Strigiformes:
76. Eurasian eagle-owl (Bubo bubo)
Crocodilia:
77. American alligator (Alligator mississippiensis)
78. American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus)
Sorry for the absence during a busy time of updates. Just wanted to let everyone know that scores have been tabulated up to this point (including the post you just made @Kudu21).
A couple errors to address:
You counted 12. twice in your first post, so you are at 22 and your next update should start at 23.
While arguably these are legitimate species, IUCN has been slow on all the croc reclassification that has happened in the last decade or two and does not recognize these. For West African Crocodile, there is also the fact that a research paper found a large portion of "niloticus" in US zoos are actually suchus, so there's no clear distinction between the two in captivity here anyway.
I'll still count the Hall's as New Guinea Crocodile (novaeguineae), but I'm gonna lump your suchus under your earlier niloticus. This will put you at 76.
Same rule applies for anyone else going forward also. Dwarf Croc is another species that should be counted as a single type, not multiple.
A couple errors to address:
You counted 12. twice in your first post, so you are at 22 and your next update should start at 23.
While arguably these are legitimate species, IUCN has been slow on all the croc reclassification that has happened in the last decade or two and does not recognize these. For West African Crocodile, there is also the fact that a research paper found a large portion of "niloticus" in US zoos are actually suchus, so there's no clear distinction between the two in captivity here anyway.
I'll still count the Hall's as New Guinea Crocodile (novaeguineae), but I'm gonna lump your suchus under your earlier niloticus. This will put you at 76.
Same rule applies for anyone else going forward also. Dwarf Croc is another species that should be counted as a single type, not multiple.
While I won't argue the rules, I do want to point out that the Gator farm (in partnership with UF) is one of the leaders in genetic research of crocodilians. While being toured this came up in conversation. The genetic testing on their two pairs came up with purity of suchus, and why they have been actively trying to breed them. My biggest question was whether the O. osborni was mixed or pure I was told pure. Again, 99.9% of facilities that would tell me that about their crocs, even senior staff, I'd still have my reservation about it, but given it's the gator farm I do believe them
@PSO Oh I had no doubts about St. Augustine legitimately having suchus, I'd trust them on their identifications in a heartbeat for the reasons you just said. The issue relates to the last part of what you said, about having reservations trusting a lot of other facilities to make that distinction. It's easier for me to give everyone a blanket ruling (i.e. all "Niles" are counted as one) than for me to decide subjectively on a case-by-case basis many times whether I think a zoo's ID is trustworthy or not. Less work, confusion and back-and-forth for everyone involved is the way I see it - and this way somebody doesn't need to visit the "right" facility to count something.
To bring up an example from last year, San Diego has true Vervet - but I still counted Chlorocebus as one because I didn't trust that other zoos actually had true Grivets.
This also happens to be a rare example where we *know* from genetic research that a lot of zoos have misidentified crocodiles, rather than it just being a possibility.
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Also, as a clarification for everybody: this wasn't an ad-hoc change, I intended to do this for crocs from the start and simply forgot to address it when I launched the game - so my apologies for that, I take responsibility for any confusion.
To bring up an example from last year, San Diego has true Vervet - but I still counted Chlorocebus as one because I didn't trust that other zoos actually had true Grivets.
This also happens to be a rare example where we *know* from genetic research that a lot of zoos have misidentified crocodiles, rather than it just being a possibility.
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Also, as a clarification for everybody: this wasn't an ad-hoc change, I intended to do this for crocs from the start and simply forgot to address it when I launched the game - so my apologies for that, I take responsibility for any confusion.
Thanks. It seems when the new year came I lost my ability to count - I've been having troubles with it on the Big Year thread to.
Lehigh Valley Zoo (February 4th 2024)
17. Canada lynx (Lynx canadensis)
18. Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
19. Grey fox (Urocyon cinereoargenteus)
20. Grey wolf (Canis lupus)
21. Golden eagle (Aquila chrysaetos)
22. Barred owl (Strix varia)
23. Barn owl (Tyto alba)
24. Peregrine falcon (Falco peregrinus)
Electric City Aquarium & Reptile Den (February 4th 2024)
25. Leopard cat (Prionailurus bengalensis)
26. Morelet's crocodile (Crocodylus moreletii)
27. Bonnethead (Sphyrna tiburo)
28. Brownbanded bamboo shark (Chiloscyllium punctatum)
29. Epaulette shark (Hemiscyllium ocellatum)
Electric city’s shark collection has shrank quite a bit since my last visit
SEA LIFE Minnesota 2/1/2023
8. Sand Tiger Shark (Carcharias taurus)
9. Sandbar Shark (Carcharhinus plumbeus)
10. Nurse Shark (Ginglymostoma cirratum)
11. Spotted Wobbegong (Orectolobus maculatus)
12. Whitetip Reef Shark (Triaenodon obesus)
13. Whitespotted Bamboo Shark (Chiloscyllium plagiosum)
14. Brown-Banded Bamboo Shark (Chiloscyllium punctatum)
15. Spectacled Caiman (Caiman crocodilus)
I have just come to learn that I made a second mistake with my Florida tallies (my apologies). It turns out that the 'Silky Sharks' at the Frost Museum of Science were mis-signed, and are actually Sandbar Sharks (Carcharhinus plumbeus). Sorry for the mistake; I'm not a good enough shark IDer to always know when signage is wrong about something like that, and I assumed the signage would be reliable considering they're one of the larger and higher profile species in the museum.
Let's hope I'm not forgetting something.
Denver Zoo
11. Epaulette Shark
12. African Wild Dog
13. Tiger (Amur)
14. Brown Bear (Grizzly)
15. Spotted Hyena
16. Fishing Cat
17. Siamese Crocodile
18. Orinoco Crocodile
19. West African Dwarf Crocodile
20. Bald Eagle
21. Cinereous Vulture
SeaWorld San Diego
22. Brown-banded Bamboo Shark
23. White-spotted Bamboo Shark
24. Bonnethead Shark
25. Speckled Carpet Shark
26. Lemon Shark
27. Whitetip Reef Shark
San Diego Zoo
28. Cheetah
29. Cougar
30. Jaguar
31. Lion
32. Leopard (Amur)
33. Snow Leopard
34. Serval
35. Andean Bear
36. Polar Bear
37. Sloth Bear
38. Fossa
39. Harpy Eagle
40. Crowned Eagle
41. California Condor
42. Western Burrowing Owl
43. Komodo Dragon
44. Chinese Alligator
45. Gharial
San Diego Safari Park
46. Sand Cat
47. Harris’s Hawk
48. Red-tailed Hawk
49. Secretarybird
50. Cape Vulture
51. Egyptian Vulture
52. Ruppell’s Griffon Vulture
53. Lappet-faced Vulture
Birch
54. Pacific Angelshark
55. Leopard Shark
56. Swell Shark
57. Gray Smoothhound
Los Angeles Zoo
58. Maned Wolf
59. Fennec Fox
60. Andean Condor
61. Steller’s Sea Eagle
62. Spectacled Owl
63. Siberian Eagle Owl
64. King Vulture
65. American Alligator
66. Dwarf Caiman
67. Tomistoma
OC Zoo
68. Bobcat
69. Canada Lynx
70. Ocelot
71. Coyote
72. San Joaquin Kit Fox
73. American Black Bear
74. Golden Eagle
75. Swainson’s Hawk
76. American Kestrel
77. Barn Owl
78. Great Horned Owl
79. Turkey Vulture
Aquarium of the Pacific
80. Coral Catshark
81. Gray Reef Shark
CarnotaurusSastrei
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Brookfield Zoo - 2/10/24
Mammals
5. Amur Leopard (Panthera pardus)
6. Pallas' Cat (Otocolobus manul)
7. Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis)
8. Bat-Eared Fox (Otocyon megalotis)
9. Arabian Sand Cat (Felis margarita)
10. Amur Tiger (Panthera tigris)
11. Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia)
12. Clouded Leopard (Neofelis nebulosa)
13. Mexican Grey Wolf (Canis lupus)
14. Brown Bear (Ursus arctos)
15. African Wild Dog (Lycaon pictus)
16. Sloth Bear (Melursus ursinus)
Birds
5. Andean Condor (Vultur gryphus)
Fishes
8. Epaulette Shark (Hemiscyllium ocellatum)
Total: Mammals (15), Birds (5), Reptiles (3), Fishes (8)
Mammals
5. Amur Leopard (Panthera pardus)
6. Pallas' Cat (Otocolobus manul)
7. Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis)
8. Bat-Eared Fox (Otocyon megalotis)
9. Arabian Sand Cat (Felis margarita)
10. Amur Tiger (Panthera tigris)
11. Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia)
12. Clouded Leopard (Neofelis nebulosa)
13. Mexican Grey Wolf (Canis lupus)
14. Brown Bear (Ursus arctos)
15. African Wild Dog (Lycaon pictus)
16. Sloth Bear (Melursus ursinus)
Birds
5. Andean Condor (Vultur gryphus)
Fishes
8. Epaulette Shark (Hemiscyllium ocellatum)
Total: Mammals (15), Birds (5), Reptiles (3), Fishes (8)
Made my first visit to a new zoo of the year today. I can't say I was very impressed, but it's one of the ones closest to me I've yet to visit.
Seneca Park Zoo:
5. Amur Tiger- Panthera tigris altaica
6. Snow Leopard- Panthera uncia
7. Canada Lynx- Lynx canadensis
8. Gray Wolf- Canis lupus
9. Polar Bear- Ursus maritimus
10. Red-tailed Hawk- Buteo jamaicensis
11. Snowy Owl- Bubo scandiacus
I would also like to note, for transparency's sake, that I have not included Buffalo Zoo in this challenge yet since my weekly trips to the zoo for research this semester are when the zoo is closed to the public. Come April when the zoo re-opens, expect to see an update from Buffalo Zoo.
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Orange County Zoo (Orange, CA) - 12 February, 2024:
Felidae:
79. Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
80. Canada lynx (Lynx canadensis)
Canidae:
81. Coyote (Canis latrans)
82. Kit fox (Vulpes macrotis)
Ursidae:
83. American black bear (Ursus americanus)
Santa Ana Zoo at Prentice Park (Santa Ana, CA) - 12 February, 2024:
Strigiformes:
84. Spectacled owl (Pulsatrix perspicillata)
Just completed my first visit of 2024 - The North Carolina Zoo (02/13/2024).
Total - 11
Total - 11
- Felidae - 5
- Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
- Cougar (Puma concolor)
- Lion (Panthera leo)
- Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis)
- Sand Cat (Felis margarita)
- Canidae - 2
- Arctic Fox (Vulpes lagopus)
- Red Wolf (Canis rufus)
- Ursidae - 2 (Sadly, the Black Bears were no-shows)
- Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis)
- Polar Bear (Ursus maritimus)
- Strigiformes - 1 (Burrowing Owls have left the house)
- Barred Owl (Strix varia)
- Crocodilia - 1
- American Alligator (Alligator mississippiensis)
KiwiBirb
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I visited a nice small nature center in Wyckoff, New Jersey today which is home to 3 more species to add
James A. McFaul Environmental Center 2.16
21) Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
22) Red-Tailed Hawk (Buteo jamaicensis)
23) Turkey Vulture (Cathartes aura)
Had some time to kill while driving today, so decided to check out this small aquarium I've never been to before. It vastly overperformed my expectations!
VIA Aquarium
12. Coral Catshark- Atelomycterus marmoratus
13. Epaulette Shark- Hemiscyllium ocellatum
14. White Spotted Bamboo Shark- Chiloscyllium plagiosum
15. Leopard Shark- Triakis semifasciata
16. Blacktip Reef Shark- Carcharhinus melanopterus
17. Whitetip Reef Shark- Triaenodon obesus
Mary
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Bronx Zoo: January 22, 2024
42.) Gharial (Gavialis gangeticus)
43.) Sunda gharial (Tomistoma schlegelii)
44.) Cuban crocodile (Crocodylus rhombifer)
45.) White-faced scops owl (Ptilopsis granti)
46.) Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis)
New York Aquarium: January 23, 2024
47.) Sand tiger shark (Carcharias taurus)
48.) Sandbar shark (Carcharhinus plumbeus)
49.) Zebra shark (Stegostoma tigrinum)
50.) Black-tipped reef shark (Carcharhinus melanopterus)
51.) Brown-banded bamboo shark (Chiloscyllium punctatum)
52.) Spotted wobbegong (Orectolobus maculatus)
53.) Grey bamboo shark (Chiloscyllium griseum)
54.) Nurse shark (Ginglymostoma cirratum)
Georgia Aquarium: February 12, 2024
55.) Great hammerhead shark (Sphyrna mokarran)
56.) Whale shark (Rhincodon typus)
57.) Silvertip shark (Carcharhinus albimarginatus)
58.) Tiger shark (Galeocerdo cuvier)
59.) Tassled wobbegong (Eucrossorhinus dasypogon)
Zoo Atlanta: February 13, 2024
60.) Giant panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca)
61.) Malayan sun bear (Helarctos malayanus)
62.) African slender snouted crocodile (Mecistops cataphractus)
63.) King vulture (Sarcoramphus papa)
64.) Lappet-faced vulture (Torgos tracheliotos)
65.) Milky eagle owl (Bubo lacteus)