North American Asian Elephant Population 2024

Being in different stages of development is no reason for calves not to get along and not to be together 24/7, just the opposite. They can all learn so much from each other and play regardless the age!!! Emmen never seperated mothers with newborn calves (not even for a few days) and I have seen calves as young as 2 weeks old (!!) running with their much older siblings. And that‘s not an isolated example. Right now in Rotterdam, one year old Maxie and 3 year old Radijk are totally inseparable. There are many more cases like that.

I don‘t know what is going on in Fort Worth, but it has nothing to do with the age of Travis- either the keepers are too careful, or the females don‘t get along.
 
I don‘t know what is going on in Fort Worth, but it has nothing to do with the age of Travis- either the keepers are too careful, or the females don‘t get along.
It’s a combo of management and animals not getting along. Rasha and the unrelated cow Angel do not get along. However Bluebonnet and Angel get along fine, with Angel assuming the dominant position. So therefore, it’s most commonly Angel, Bluebonnet, and Brazos, and then Rasha, Belle, and Travis. However Rasha gets along fine with both daughters, and the sisters also get along fine with each other. During these times Angel is either house alone or with the Romeo.

However Ft Worth seems to have a very odd management style for their social groups, and they love splitting them. AFAIK they never housed Bowie in the same physical space as another animal once he was split from Bluebonnet. Same for Brazos and Travis, they have them constantly separate despite the fact that they should by all accounts, be running together basically nonstop at this point. Also the matriarchal group, it personally makes no sense to me why they retain Angel, it would make much more sense just to send her out to another facility and then house the matriarchal herd intact 24/7.
 
Being in different stages of development is no reason for calves not to get along and not to be together 24/7, just the opposite. They can all learn so much from each other and play regardless the age!!! Emmen never seperated mothers with newborn calves (not even for a few days) and I have seen calves as young as 2 weeks old (!!) running with their much older siblings. And that‘s not an isolated example. Right now in Rotterdam, one year old Maxie and 3 year old Radijk are totally inseparable. There are many more cases like that.
It's happened in over here in Australia so I don't think it's out of the question.

Usually it's better with larger herds (and more calves of diverse ages) but with herds that can only have two calves, it can be different. I guess it could also come down to individual personality too; of the calves and the adult cows.
 
That’s really intriguing to hear.

Travis is only eighteen months younger, and with Travis now one year of age he should be old enough to be in with Brazos.

In saying that, with calves that have age gaps like that, both are very much at different stages of development socially and physically and therefore don’t get along as well as calves of similar age. This shouldn’t stop them being together, but may be part of the reason why they aren’t kept together yet.
I find it slightly surprising that Bluebonnet wasn't with Belle at all throughout her labor process and presumably hasn't been involved with the rearing of Travis either. As far as I know the two get along, and I would've thought Fort Worth would want to stick to a more natural herd dynamic. Has there been a prescedent of zoos separating calves with smaller age gaps like this? I'm sure Fort Worth is just being cautious, but regardless I am curious.
 
This is likely a case that we don't know the whole story. Not to overly speculate, but there could be any number of health or behavioral reasons to keep those calves separated, and I for one trust that Fort Worth Zoo has their animal's best interests in mind when making these decisions.
 
Rozie at ABQ is pregnant and due in December 2024! She was artificially inseminated and bred naturally and the sire of the calf will be determined via DNA testing after the birth.

Oh, Baby! ABQ BioPark’s Rozie the Elephant is Expecting a Big Bundle of Joy — City of Albuquerque

Albert must be over his TB then, given that he was able to breed Rozie (he's the only male at the facility as far as I know). Huge news for both ABQ and the NA population as a whole given that Rozie's genes are entirely unrepresented.
 
Albert must be over his TB then, given that he was able to breed Rozie (he's the only male at the facility as far as I know). Huge news for both ABQ and the NA population as a whole given that Rozie's genes are entirely unrepresented.
Albert didn’t test positive for tb until Spring of 2023 and they bred back in February 2023. He very well could have had it by then but I wouldn’t use this as confirmation of his TB not being active at this time.
 
Albert didn’t test positive for tb until Spring of 2023 and they bred back in February 2023. He very well could have had it by then but I wouldn’t use this as confirmation of his TB not being active at this time.
That is true! I didn't realize he hadn't tested positive until the spring.
I did some searching and found this article that says there hasn't been a change in his condition, so as of January he still was testing positive
ABQ BioPark Zoo receives criticism from animal rights organization
 
The Louisville Zoo has announced that their remaining two elephants, Mikki (African) and Punch (Asian), will be relocated to The Elephant Sanctuary in Tennessee sometime in spring of 2025!
LouisvilleZoo on Instagram: Today, the Louisville Zoo announced it is initiating preparations to relocate African elephant Mikki and Asian elephant Punch to The Elephant Sanctuary in Tennessee.

Additionally, a larger elephant habitat with a focus on a multigenerational herd is being considered in the zoo's masterplan.
 
Incorrect, their most valuable bull for collection would be Groucho.

However that said, yes, Bodhi would be their next most valuable after that.
I remember reading Groucho was infertle now (confirmed by Denver). But everything I can find on that on zoochat comes from a member who has notoriously lied about information in the past. Is that confirmed elsewhere?
If he can't be then collected from, then Bodhi is indeed their most valuable bull.
 
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Incorrect, their most valuable bull for collection would be Groucho.

However that said, yes, Bodhi would be their next most valuable after that.
That is correct; I should've been more clearer in saying that Bohdi was the most valuable bull OF the potential candidates.

A keeper did mention once that Groucho was not being used for breeding anymore - or perhaps things could've changed since.
 
The Louisville Zoo has announced that their remaining two elephants, Mikki (African) and Punch (Asian), will be relocated to The Elephant Sanctuary in Tennessee sometime in spring of 2025!
LouisvilleZoo on Instagram: Today, the Louisville Zoo announced it is initiating preparations to relocate African elephant Mikki and Asian elephant Punch to The Elephant Sanctuary in Tennessee.

Additionally, a larger elephant habitat with a focus on a multigenerational herd is being considered in the zoo's masterplan.

I'd been wondering if Louisville was going to opt for something like this after Fitz died.

Let's be brutally honest here: Fitz was really the only thing Louisville had going for it as far as elephants were concerned. And I say this as someone who loves Louisville, it's my local zoo!

It's one of the last facilities in North America that continues to house African and Asian elephants together. The AZA has made it clear that such a thing is a very much something that should be left behind in the past and that zoos going forward should focus on having only one of the two elephant species, not strive to have both of them. (Unless they're the odd zoo who has the means to somehow house both species separately, in expansive enclosures. I guess? Is there any zoo out there who even has that ability?)

The elephant enclosure is tiny, there's absolutely no room for a breeding herd of either species as it stands now. Hell, it looks cramped even with just Punch and Mikki!

Punch is 54 years old. She's never had a calf, and she's certainly not going to start having them as she enters her golden years. Yes, she was good with both Scotty and Fitz (As photos online and my own eyes attest to), and it's a shame that she never got to contribute to North America's Asian elephant population, as another wildborn founder is never a bad thing in a captive population.

But... to be blunt, she's taking up space at a facility that's in desperate need of revamp. Sending her to TES (The AZA's unofficial/official retirement facility) just makes sense. She'll have literal acres to roam there, and possibly even have opportunities to socialize with her own species! Something that she hasn't had in over fifty years!

I don't doubt that this move will be hard on both Punch and Louisville staff alike. Punch has literally never lived anywhere else (Outside of the wild that is) but Louisville! The staff there are doubtlessly deeply attached to her. And the public too! Louisville loves its zoo, elephants included.

But I genuinely do think that this move will be a super positive thing for Punch in the long run.

And for Louisville itself! Sending the girls away and redoing the elephant exhibit would be great for both the zoo and the city. Louisville in an underrated zoo in my opinion, it's got a huge variety and even some rare species that one would normally have to go a "legendary" zoo like the Bronx or San Diego to see! But the elephant enclosure definitely doesn't live up to the overall quality the rest of the zoo has, it's a bit of a blight on it to be honest. Which drags Louisville, as a cities, reputation down.

So, sending the girls away to a retirement type place = Great PR.

Revamping the elephant enclosure, finally bringing it up to date and at the very least, on parr with the rest of the zoo = Also great PR.

It's kind of a win-win situation all around, personal disappointments aside.

My only quibble is that I do hope that Louisville doesn't get "stuck" on the idea of having a multigenerational herd of elephants if it really does want to stick with elephants in the future, and not just, reuse the space the elephant exhibit currently takes up for another species.

North America is in desperate need of bachelor holding facilities! For both elephant species! And that need is only going to continue to grow as both African and Asian populations continue to grow and perhaps, expand. 50% of calves produced are going to be male regardless, those boys are going to need places to live once they start reaching maturity.

And Louisville is actually rather centrally located in the eastern half of the US. Bulls could be shipped in and then shipped out from zoos located all over the east coast rather easily IMHO.
 
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