North American Dhole Population

Jambo said:
Just taking a guess - but potentially the two young males at the Wilds. Unless Granby are importing from overseas, they seem the most logical option.
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This is what I'm assuming as well, given the limited options.

Kifaru Bwana said:
It is even more of a shame they let them then simply die out when the One Plan Approach to species conservation requires the global zoo community to work to a global management of threatened species. If AZA is phasing out they should enable other regions to integrate amd absorb that current small US dhole population into their regional breeding program.
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They aren't letting them "simply die out". There's a reason for it.
 
TinoPup said:
This is what I'm assuming as well, given the limited options.



They aren't letting them "simply die out". There's a reason for it.
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Thanks for your comments. But could you please elaborate (was it the fact the population is highly inbred, the specific husbandry demands US zoos are not able to provide or other not specified rationale)?

I still remain convinced that it would be helpful that regional zoo associations work together to find the best solutions to individual species management and at TAG level for any given family order or grouping like the canids.

I am sure that San Diego Zoo will probably go with one of the species you suggested of local conservation relevance. Here I tending towards more involveren with the Mexican wolf program as it would fit well with the Arizona-New Mexico active wolf recovery program.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
Thanks for your comments. But could you please elaborate (was it the fact the population is highly inbred, the specific husbandry demands US zoos are not able to provide or other not specified rationale)?

I still remain convinced that it would be helpful that regional zoo associations work together to find the best solutions to individual species management and at TAG level for any given family order or grouping like the canids.

I am sure that San Diego Zoo will probably go with one of the species you suggested of local conservation relevance. Here I tending towards more involveren with the Mexican wolf program as it would fit well with the Arizona-New Mexico active wolf recovery program.
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It was elaborated on in the Granby thread. Not every species has a TAG. Not every species should be managed at such a global level.
 
Smaggledagle said:
(2.0) dholes were acquired by Zoo de Granby in Quebec from Haute Touche Zoological Park in France the week prior.

Les dholes sont arrivés au Zoo de Granby! | ✨ ILS SONT ARRIVÉS!!! ✨ On les attendait avec impatience, et ils sont enfin parmi nous! LES DHOLES ont débarqué au Zoo de Granby! ✈️ La semaine... | By Zoo de GranbyFacebook
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oh that's exciting! Is it easier to import Dholes in Canada than it is the US? I've heard that there are issues regarding importing them, the same problems affect importing of Raccoon Dogs and Bush Dogs.
 
Aardwolf said:
Dhole and raccoon dog are listed as injurious species by USFWS, which complicates - though doesn’t expressly ban - their import into the US
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I wasn't aware of this. Is there something in specific that makes these two species more potentially dangerous to ecosystems or whatever when compared to other similarly-sized canid species?
 
biggest_dreamer said:
I wasn't aware of this. Is there something in specific that makes these two species more potentially dangerous to ecosystems or whatever when compared to other similarly-sized canid species?
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Raccoon dog are an invasive species in parts of Europe, so I'm not surprised that they made the list. As for dhole, I was curious about it myself, so I was chatting with a colleague who's a dhole keeper, and her best guess was, because they are so cold-tolerant, they'd be more likely to have the potential to become invasive than, say, African wild dog or bush dog. Seems like weak reasoning to me. Another curator that I asked just shrugged and suggested that someone's read too much Kipling.
 
Aardwolf said:
Dhole and raccoon dog are listed as injurious species by USFWS, which complicates - though doesn’t expressly ban - their import into the US
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Have the ever become invasives or have there been accidental releases in the US?
(If not, I do find it a no-brainer)
 
PossumRoach said:
From why I understand the listing of dholes sounds like a “better safe than sorry” decision which is at best a superstition.
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Agreed, but undiplomatically ... I would say it is downright ignorant and mindbogglingly stupid. I wish that USFWS would get some folks with ecological knowledge on board when dealing with legislation or even making new proposals for measures where negative and positive listings are concerned.
 
Zoo Granby announced the names of the two new male dholes. They are brothers and will hit 2 years old on April 30. Their names are Kimati and Camkilo. Camkilo has a missing tip of his right ear, a short memory in France. I do not think Haute-Touche Zoological park did not announce their names, so I cannot find their parents and siblings.

Zoo de Granby
 
So the Wilds and Bronx are the only remaining US holders and are they expected to keep this species long-term or are we close to hitting the dead end in five years rather than ten?
 
JVM said:
So the Wilds and Bronx are the only remaining US holders and are they expected to keep this species long-term or are we close to hitting the dead end in five years rather than ten?
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Yes they are the last holders. I think we are close to hitting dead end. In the Wilds, only 2 brothers is living with their sister(I saw this in Zoo Granby thread) Then, there wont be any in the US. I think that Granby would be the last in NA to house them.
 
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