Australasian Orangutan Population

There does seem to be a nice bond forming between Melur and Daya. Possibly it's because of Daya's gentle nature and because she tends to respect Melur's space and acknowledges Melur as the dominant female - Wanita and Gangsa were more dominant personalities and from what I've heard, Melur tended to defer to Wanita and came into conflict on occasion with her half-sister, Gangsa.

The five females (Indra, Intan, Wanita, Melur and Gangsa) cohabited from the arrival of the Taronga females in 2001 until 2005. It appears this was out of necessity as the separation annex (used to house the male not on rotation) was at most big enough for two orangutans. A better approach would have been to house the two adult males (Horst and Charlie) with 2-3 females each and indeed the departure of the chimpanzees freed up their exhibit for them to do this. Following Madju’s birth, the group in the main exhibit was further subdivided into Charlie, Gangsa, Melur (and Madju); and Wanita and Isim. Charlie was presumably assessed as the safer option for housing with the infant; and Wanita was provided to Isim for companionship.

On hindsight, importing Melur alone would have probably worked best. She would have deferred to Indra and a cohesive grouping may have developed long term. Taronga were clearly keen to phase out Bornean orangutans though, otherwise they could have imported Isim into replace Datuk.
I am wondering, though, if perhaps an Australian zoo doesn't become a second holder of Bornean orangutans, if Orana Park is a future possibility? I think that Orana's original plan was to house Sumatran orangutans in one half of the Great Ape Centre, opposite their bachelor gorillas, but that never panned out. That way, Australia could be the regional holder for Sumatrans and New Zealand for the Bornean species.

That would be great to see and in the early 1990’s, was the original plan for management of orangutans within the region. New Zealand would manage Bornean orangutans; and Australia would manage Sumatran orangutans.

Orana Wildlife Park have a spacious great ape facility, but are frequently in the news with regards to financial struggles. Housing a solitary/semi-social species would appear more cost effective than gorillas or chimpanzees, which thrive in larger social groupings.
 
The five females (Indra, Intan, Wanita, Melur and Gangsa) cohabited from the arrival of the Taronga females in 2001 until 2005. It appears this was out of necessity as the separation annex (used to house the male not on rotation) was at most big enough for two orangutans. A better approach would have been to house the two adult males (Horst and Charlie) with 2-3 females each and indeed the departure of the chimpanzees freed up their exhibit for them to do this. Following Madju’s birth, the group in the main exhibit was further subdivided into Charlie, Gangsa, Melur (and Madju); and Wanita and Isim. Charlie was presumably assessed as the safer option for housing with the infant; and Wanita was provided to Isim for companionship.

On hindsight, importing Melur alone would have probably worked best. She would have deferred to Indra and a cohesive grouping may have developed long term. Taronga were clearly keen to phase out Bornean orangutans though, otherwise they could have imported Isim into replace Datuk.


That would be great to see and in the early 1990’s, was the original plan for management of orangutans within the region. New Zealand would manage Bornean orangutans; and Australia would manage Sumatran orangutans.

Orana Wildlife Park have a spacious great ape facility, but are frequently in the news with regards to financial struggles. Housing a solitary/semi-social species would appear more cost effective than gorillas or chimpanzees, which thrive in larger social groupings.

Interesting and very good points! I always enjoy hearing about the history of Auckland Zoo's orangutans and other animals! It's fascinating to think what may have happened if things had been done differently back in the day.

I do hope a solution can be found for Orana's financial issues. When I visited Orana several years ago, I really enjoyed my visit and was very impressed with the Great Ape Centre. I too think holding orangutans would make more sense for the environment they have there, and would - reluctantly, as I am very, very fond of Fataki and Fuzu - recommend phasing out gorillas in favour of Bornean orangutans. There might be a lot of pushback to this idea, as the gorillas are immensely popular, but I think the idea of seeing baby apes in the future might mollify visitors somewhat. Or they could, perhaps, continue to maintain a small bachelor gorilla troop opposite the orangutans as they had originally planned, if finances enabled them to do it.
 
Interesting and very good points! I always enjoy hearing about the history of Auckland Zoo's orangutans and other animals! It's fascinating to think what may have happened if things had been done differently back in the day.

I do hope a solution can be found for Orana's financial issues. When I visited Orana several years ago, I really enjoyed my visit and was very impressed with the Great Ape Centre. I too think holding orangutans would make more sense for the environment they have there, and would - reluctantly, as I am very, very fond of Fataki and Fuzu - recommend phasing out gorillas in favour of Bornean orangutans. There might be a lot of pushback to this idea, as the gorillas are immensely popular, but I think the idea of seeing baby apes in the future might mollify visitors somewhat. Or they could, perhaps, continue to maintain a small bachelor gorilla troop opposite the orangutans as they had originally planned, if finances enabled them to do it.

The original plan (2015-2017) was for Orana Wildlife Park to hold Western lowland gorilla in one exhibit and Sumatran orangutan on the other, with Sumatran orangutan to be imported following the departure of Auckland Zoo’s orangutans, which stayed there for a couple of years on loan.

Following reports of a fall out between Fataki and Fuzu, which was sadly inevitable after the reduction of their bachelor troop to two animals, I imagine the second exhibit is viewed as a way to manage both gorillas in their own space. Given the social nature of this species, it’s not ideal to have either gorilla on their own regardless of whether they have an exhibit or are confined to the dens. The situation could be improved by the addition of more males, but it’s a big if and carries a degree of risk they may end up with three or more groupings that can’t be integrated. If they can’t export Fataki and/or Fuzu, that they could consider it once finances allow. Confidence in a stable grouping would surely be the first step towards then considering orangutans.
 
The original plan (2015-2017) was for Orana Wildlife Park to hold Western lowland gorilla in one exhibit and Sumatran orangutan on the other, with Sumatran orangutan to be imported following the departure of Auckland Zoo’s orangutans, which stayed there for a couple of years on loan.

Following reports of a fall out between Fataki and Fuzu, which was sadly inevitable after the reduction of their bachelor troop to two animals, I imagine the second exhibit is viewed as a way to manage both gorillas in their own space. Given the social nature of this species, it’s not ideal to have either gorilla on their own regardless of whether they have an exhibit or are confined to the dens. The situation could be improved by the addition of more males, but it’s a big if and carries a degree of risk they may end up with three or more groupings that can’t be integrated. If they can’t export Fataki and/or Fuzu, that they could consider it once finances allow. Confidence in a stable grouping would surely be the first step towards then considering orangutans.

Very good points. Ideally, I think the best way forward, if the finances allow, would be to look to Bornean orangutans in the future.

I think I saw somewhere on here that, some years back when Auckland Zoo was still intent on phasing out Bornean orangutans, that Orana was intending to import the hybrid orangutans Jantan and Willow from Australia (now resident at Mogo Wildlife Park) and have Wanita (who was Willow's half-sister) join them from Auckland, while exporting Charlie and Melur as a breeding pair elsewhere? I'm not quite certain on the particulars.
 
Very good points. Ideally, I think the best way forward, if the finances allow, would be to look to Bornean orangutans in the future.

I think I saw somewhere on here that, some years back when Auckland Zoo was still intent on phasing out Bornean orangutans, that Orana was intending to import the hybrid orangutans Jantan and Willow from Australia (now resident at Mogo Wildlife Park) and have Wanita (who was Willow's half-sister) join them from Auckland, while exporting Charlie and Melur as a breeding pair elsewhere? I'm not quite certain on the particulars.

I remember proposing the idea that all hybrids be maintained at one facility, but publicly, Orana stated an intention to import purebred Sumatran orangutans. There was (years ago) a discussion around exporting Charlie and Gangsa to a facility in Turkey, but that was abandoned and then later, Auckland decided to go back into holding Bornean orangutans.

Personally, I’d love to see a second Bornean colony established within New Zealand. A new male and female would nicely compliment Auckland’s growing colony. This could be done in the second exhibit at Auckland depending how integration with the Siamang goes, but space wise, it would be better if Orana joined the breeding programme imo.
 
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I remember proposing the idea that all hybrids be maintained at one facility, but publicly, Orana stated an intention to import purebred Sumatran orangutans. There was (years ago) a discussion around exporting Charlie and Gangsa to a facility in Turkey, but that was abandoned and then later, Auckland decided to go back into holding Bornean orangutans.

Personally, I’d love to see a second Bornean colony established within New Zealand. A new male and female would nicely compliment Auckland’s growing colony. This could be done in the second exhibit at Auckland depending how integration with the Siamang goes, but space wise, it would be better if Orana joined the breeding programme imo.

Thanks for clarifying! I may have read that speculation about Charlie and Gangsa and misremembered it as being about Charlie and Melur. Since there are so few hybrids left now, it looks like they'll be left where they are (If I remember correctly, the last three are Jantan, Willow and Gabby).

I too would love to see a second Bornean orangutan colony, whether at Auckland or Orana. From what I've heard, integration of the Auckland orangutans and siamang gibbons has been put on hold due to the arrival of Daya, and very likely due to male siamang Intan's behaviour. I'm not sure if and when they will resume attempts to integrate.
 
Thanks for clarifying! I may have read that speculation about Charlie and Gangsa and misremembered it as being about Charlie and Melur. Since there are so few hybrids left now, it looks like they'll be left where they are (If I remember correctly, the last three are Jantan, Willow and Gabby).

I too would love to see a second Bornean orangutan colony, whether at Auckland or Orana. From what I've heard, integration of the Auckland orangutans and siamang gibbons has been put on hold due to the arrival of Daya, and very likely due to male siamang Intan's behaviour. I'm not sure if and when they will resume attempts to integrate.

That’s correct, the last three hybrids are:

1.0 Jantan (11/07/1987) Perang x Judy II
0.1 Willow (09/05/1985) Perang x Wendy
0.1 Gabby (01/01/1990) Santan x Kiani

For comparison, there were eight hybrids in the region 30 years ago (1994) - 2.6 at Taronga; and 0.2 at Melbourne.

Since the opening of Orangutan Park in 1987, it’s clear orangutans have been one of Auckland Zoo’s biggest drawcards. The Siamang were a great addition to the Rainforest Trail (especially considering they held a breeding pair for many years); but I would honestly consider phasing them out (or relocating them) in favour of opening up the second exhibit in the South East Asian precinct for Bornean orangutans.

The original intention in the 1980’s was to have two exhibits and two night houses for Bornean orangutans and while the chimpanzees were missed following their phase out in 2004, I don’t recall any visitor complaints about the zoo having two orangutan exhibits.
 
Is that the same Santan now at Sydney Zoo?

That’s correct. Santan was born 1977 at Toronto Zoo and was imported by Melbourne Zoo in 1987. His intended mate was Maimunah (1986), but before her arrival in 1992, Santan bred with hybrid female, Kiani. Kiani was on birth control, so it was an unplanned pregnancy (she wasn’t swallowing the pills).

It’s interesting as it proves Melbourne’s intention was to streamline their colony as Perth had done. Santan and Maimunah went on to produce two offspring in 2003 (Malu) and 2010 (Dewi).

Taronga by contrast, had a much more extensive legacy of hybrids bred over three decades until 1987. Nonetheless, they attempted to establish a Bornean colony in the mid-1990’s, which was regrettably unsuccessful.
 
That’s correct, the last three hybrids are:

1.0 Jantan (11/07/1987) Perang x Judy II
0.1 Willow (09/05/1985) Perang x Wendy
0.1 Gabby (01/01/1990) Santan x Kiani

For comparison, there were eight hybrids in the region 30 years ago (1994) - 2.6 at Taronga; and 0.2 at Melbourne.

Since the opening of Orangutan Park in 1987, it’s clear orangutans have been one of Auckland Zoo’s biggest drawcards. The Siamang were a great addition to the Rainforest Trail (especially considering they held a breeding pair for many years); but I would honestly consider phasing them out (or relocating them) in favour of opening up the second exhibit in the South East Asian precinct for Bornean orangutans.

The original intention in the 1980’s was to have two exhibits and two night houses for Bornean orangutans and while the chimpanzees were missed following their phase out in 2004, I don’t recall any visitor complaints about the zoo having two orangutan exhibits.

Definitely, orangutans have always been a huge drawcard at Auckland Zoo, especially with the births of Madju and Bahmi. I think the tigers would be the next most popular exhibit in the Southeast Asia precinct, but still, I think the orangutans have a slight lead. Even before Bahmi was born and when the zoo held only Charlie, Melur and Wanita, I have always seen massive crowds up near the viewing window or fence when the orangutans were near.

As fond as I am of siamang pair Intan and Kera, I will have to reluctantly agree with you that phasing out the siamang in favour of a second orangutan group would be a good idea. In any case, the gibbons' current habitat is more suited to a breeding pair and their offspring than two non-breeding ambassador animals. Transferring Intan and Kera elsewhere might be the best thing, and either establish a second orangutan colony or import a breeding pair of siamang (who can perhaps be fully integrated with the orangutans (whether one or two colonies are established).
 
From socials:

Bornean orangutan mother, Melur, of Auckland Zoo, had her 35th birthday yesterday!

(7) Auckland Zoo - Happy Birthday to Bornean orangutan Melur – the... | Facebook

Also, I was at Auckland Zoo last Saturday and had an interesting update from a staff member about former Auckland Zoo Bornean orangutan resident, Indra, now at Busch Gardens in Florida, whose longtime companion since her days at Auckland Zoo (and father of her two offspring, Intan and Isim), Horst, passed away last year.

Apparently, there are plans afoot to integrate Indra with the family group of Madju (born at Auckland Zoo to current residents Charlie and Melur) Luna and their newborn daughter, Stella. It's believed that such an integration would be positive for Indra's wellbeing and would also be enriching for Stella in the future. It's an interesting development to bring the two former Aucklanders together, although as far as I know, Indra was never housed with Madju previously.

Busch Gardens also houses another (non-breeding) orangutan pair, Willie and Joy, who I think are mother and son and possibly hybrids. I don't think there was ever any consideration towards housing Indra with them.
 
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From socials:

Bornean orangutan mother, Melur, of Auckland Zoo, had her 35th birthday yesterday!

(7) Auckland Zoo - Happy Birthday to Bornean orangutan Melur – the... | Facebook

Also, I was at Auckland Zoo last Saturday and had an interesting update from a staff member about former Auckland Zoo Bornean orangutan resident, Indra, now at Busch Gardens in Florida, whose longtime companion since her days at Auckland Zoo (and father of her two offspring, Intan and Isim), Horst, passed away last year.

Apparently, there are plants afoot to integrate Indra with the family group of Madju (born at Auckland Zoo to current residents Charlie and Melur) Luna and their newborn daughter, Stella. It's believed that such an integration would be positive for Indra's wellbeing and would also be enriching for Stella in the future. It's an interesting development to bring the two former Aucklanders together, although as far as I know, Indra was never housed with Madju previously.

Busch Gardens also houses another (non-breeding) orangutan pair, Willie and Joy, who I think are mother and son and possibly hybrids. I don't think there was ever any consideration towards housing Indra with them.

Thanks for the update on Indra. It sounds like she will benefit from being housed with Madju, Luna and their daughter; and in turn enrich their lives. Potentially she could play a similar role as Wanita did with Madju. Busch Gardens other orangutans you mentioned (Willie and Joy) are Bornean orangutans. Due to Joy’s age (1974), I’d be less hopeful of a successful integration with Indra than with the younger Luna.

You’re correct that Indra was never housed with Madju at Auckland Zoo. Horst, Indra and Intan moved across to the old chimpanzee exhibit in March/April 2005; with Melur giving birth to Madju in November 2005.

As such, there’s little reference point of Indra’s history with unrelated infants. Darli (born 2000) died at two days of age; and Melur’s first infant (born 2002) was stillborn. Going back further, Dara gave birth to Datuk in May 1989, two months after Indra delivered Intan. Dara and Indra were reportedly close, so I imagine there would have been some interaction between the quartet (especially when Intan/Datuk were at the juvenile stage).
 
Thanks for the update on Indra. It sounds like she will benefit from being housed with Madju, Luna and their daughter; and in turn enrich their lives. Potentially she could play a similar role as Wanita did with Madju. Busch Gardens other orangutans you mentioned (Willie and Joy) are Bornean orangutans. Due to Joy’s age (1974), I’d be less hopeful of a successful integration with Indra than with the younger Luna.

You’re correct that Indra was never housed with Madju at Auckland Zoo. Horst, Indra and Intan moved across to the old chimpanzee exhibit in March/April 2005; with Melur giving birth to Madju in November 2005.

As such, there’s little reference point of Indra’s history with unrelated infants. Darli (born 2000) died at two days of age; and Melur’s first infant (born 2002) was stillborn. Going back further, Dara gave birth to Datuk in May 1989, two months after Indra delivered Intan. Dara and Indra were reportedly close, so I imagine there would have been some interaction between the quartet (especially when Intan/Datuk were at the juvenile stage).

Thanks for the clarification on Willie and Joy - I remember reading somewhere there were no plans to breed from Willie, so I must have misinterpreted that as meaning that he was a hybrid! You'd definitely be right in supposing that Joy's age would be a strike against Indra being accommodated with her, and since Indra is well used to infants, having had two of her own, she would fit in well with the family group.

I too hope she will develop a relationship similar to the one that Wanita and Madju had; it would be a positive development all around!
 
Sad news from Ouwenhands Dierenpark in the Netherlands, former home of Auckland Zoo's newest Bornean orangutan, Daya.

Daya's father Bako has passed away during a medical procedure.

Bako is survived by female companions Jewel and Tjintha, and by his children Daya, Sabar and Minggu.

From socials:

Verdrietig nieuws over orang-oetan... - Ouwehands Dierenpark Rhenen | Facebook

That’s unfortunate, he was born 1996 so he was by no means an old animal. My thoughts are within his team.

Through her mother, Jewel (who was wild born); Daya is a genetically valuable female and as a consequence of her father’s death, there will be no more siblings/half-siblings on her paternal side. With her integration into Auckland’s colony complete (and her forging a good relationship with all members), I really hope it’s not long before we hear news Daya is off contraception (or more likely a media release she is pregnant).
 
That’s unfortunate, he was born 1996 so he was by no means an old animal. My thoughts are within his team.

Through her mother, Jewel (who was wild born); Daya is a genetically valuable female and as a consequence of her father’s death, there will be no more siblings/half-siblings on her paternal side. With her integration into Auckland’s colony complete (and her forging a good relationship with all members), I really hope it’s not long before we hear news Daya is off contraception (or more likely a media release she is pregnant).

It is indeed very unfortunate news, for the species and for the staff and visitors who knew and loved Bako. From the sounds of things, Bako may have suffered from the same respiratory disorder that afflicted the late Wanita at Auckland Zoo - this condition has even claimed the lives of even younger orangutans than Bako.

Even though this is very saddening news, I too hope the breeding programme will take note of this development and recommend Daya be taken off contraception as soon as it's allowable. It will be interesting to see if Ouwenhands Dierenpark will retain Sabar as breeding male due to his now very valuable status, or transfer him out to bring in a new adult male to form a colony around Jewel, Tjintha and also Minggu when she matures.
 
From socials at Busch Gardens, Florida:

You may have seen some familiar faces... - Busch Gardens Tampa Bay | Facebook

Mother Bornean orangutan Luna and her baby Stella are now back on habitat with Madju (father of Stella and born at Auckland Zoo to current resident orangutan parents, Charlie and Melur)

Auckland Zoo staff have previously commented how gentle/respectful Charlie is around females and infants, which allowed him to be reintegrated with Melur/Madju soon after his birth; and then the same with Bahmi, so it’s good to know Madju is similarly good natured with his offspring (this being his second).

Auckland Zoo have been very fortunate as Horst was rotated with Charlie on a fortnightly basis (cohabiting with his offspring during that time) and was reportedly popular with Indra and Intan. The original design of the complex allowed for separation with two exhibits and two night houses, but they functioned well with half that capacity for many years until the Taronga females arrived.
 
Auckland Zoo staff have previously commented how gentle/respectful Charlie is around females and infants, which allowed him to be reintegrated with Melur/Madju soon after his birth; and then the same with Bahmi, so it’s good to know Madju is similarly good natured with his offspring (this being his second).

Auckland Zoo have been very fortunate as Horst was rotated with Charlie on a fortnightly basis (cohabiting with his offspring during that time) and was reportedly popular with Indra and Intan. The original design of the complex allowed for separation with two exhibits and two night houses, but they functioned well with half that capacity for many years until the Taronga females arrived.

Thanks for that - interesting as always to hear the history of our orangutans and their behaviours! Madju seems to be like Charlie in many ways - he was a good father to the late Malu, and it seems he will also be a great father to little Stella. On Busch Gardens' American Fathers' Day post on Facebook, the zoo published a photo that showed Madju taking a gentle interest in little Stella but being very respectful of both Luna and the baby's space.
 
Thanks for that - interesting as always to hear the history of our orangutans and their behaviours! Madju seems to be like Charlie in many ways - he was a good father to the late Malu, and it seems he will also be a great father to little Stella. On Busch Gardens' American Fathers' Day post on Facebook, the zoo published a photo that showed Madju taking a gentle interest in little Stella but being very respectful of both Luna and the baby's space.

Regionally, there’s been a wide variance of interactions between male and female orangutans. Some have been devoted to each other (Charlie and Gangsa; Kluet and Karta); while others have formed amicable pairs/trios (Charlie with Wanita/Gangsa). Some have been less accomodating such as Puspa at Adelaide, who couldn’t even be housed with her daughter once she reached adolescence and hasn’t bonded with Kluet.

The report @steveroberts posted noted an infant at Perth Zoo was killed by a sub-adult male, which although appears to have been an isolated incident, is something zoos these days are careful of when re-introducing the mother/infant to the group. I recall Isim being separated from the main group when Madju was born (with Wanita for company); with him being 11 years old and well and truly at the age Charlie would have begun to see him as a threat (Charlie outwore his welcome with Horst at a much younger age; and Madju’s export at 10 years was about Charlie’s limit).
 
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