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I think if Berlin wants to continue keeping elephants long term, a bachelor group would make a lot more sense considering the space restrictions. The extension across the canal was really the only place where a new sufficient area for a breeding group could have been made... Any other area would still be far too small in my eyes.
 
I agree, I think that’s the natural way to go. I’m surprised they haven’t gone that way already because the space is so tight.

Does anybody have any photos of the bull enclosure?
 
I agree, I think that’s the natural way to go. I’m surprised they haven’t gone that way already because the space is so tight.

Does anybody have any photos of the bull enclosure?
Apologies they aren't great, but these images show the entirety of the exhibit. If nobody else can provide better ones I'll try to get better images this Sunday.

Victor is, to put it mildly, huge. Quite possibly the most impressive elephant I've seen, second perhaps to Ming Jung at Whipsnade and Shaka at Noah's Ark. I have no idea the ins-and-outs of the Asian elephant EEP, but surely he needs to be used to breed at some point. And Berlin certainly does not have the space for that.
 

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I think that draining that artificial lake can be justified for the elephants.
I would have thought so too. What is the large house/building in the map behind the lake?

Also regarding the expanding of the polar bear habitat are we guessing this will meaning giving them the current wolf and brown bear habitat too? Are there still sloth bear exhibited in the other smaller exhibits?
 
I would have thought so too. What is the large house/building in the map behind the lake?

Also regarding the expanding of the polar bear habitat are we guessing this will meaning giving them the current wolf and brown bear habitat too? Are there still sloth bear exhibited in the other smaller exhibits?
Given they recently updated the exhibit and reintroduced the wolves and bears, I don't see that happening. The sloth bears currently have free roam of the entirety of that bear 'island' in the middle of the zoo, including where I believe black bears were formally held (slightly before my time to know for sure!).

I'd be fairly confident to say the sloth bears will retain the original enclosure or perhaps the one they've gained instead, with the polar bears receiving whichever the sloths don't have.
 
Hi there- visiting Berlin in August. Does Berlin Zoo have Manul, or only Tierpark? I'm staying right next to Berlin Zoo and only just realised there are in fact two zoos! Really wanted to make a Manul pilgrimage- looks like it might only be Tierpark? Thanks!

Also- what cat species do both zoos house?
 
Hi there- visiting Berlin in August. Does Berlin Zoo have Manul, or only Tierpark? I'm staying right next to Berlin Zoo and only just realised there are in fact two zoos! Really wanted to make a Manul pilgrimage- looks like it might only be Tierpark? Thanks!

Also- what cat species do both zoos house?
In terms of manul/Pallas' Cat - only Tierpark, and afaik they are currently housed nearby to the hyenas instead of in their Himalaya exhibit - they're potentially in both, but I'm yet to see them in the latter. I had no trouble seeing them in the former this past winter however.

Both zoos house sumatran tigers (Zoo holding the previous young from Tierpark), both house leopards - Persian in Zoo, and the incredibly rare Javan in Tierpark - and I believe that is the limit to crossover species cat wise.

It's only after writing that I realise you might mean what they house individually as well, and I will be honest and say Zootierliste is your best bet there. Both house a variety of smaller cat species, but as this is the Zoo thread I will single out sand cats, margay and oncilla. In terms of big cats, they also house jaguar and lions. The former currently only has its indoor area visible due to construction.

Edit: just to add if you can spare a day in your itinerary, include Tierpark. Admittedly it's my preferred of the two, but it's easily a top-10 European zoo, arguably internationally as well. If cats are your thing it's worth it if just for the Javan leopard. And if you need to convince people you really, really need to visit both it has gorgeous grounds and is nice to walk around for a day. Sorry for derailing the zoo thread...again
 
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In terms of manul/Pallas' Cat - only Tierpark, and afaik they are currently housed nearby to the hyenas instead of in their Himalaya exhibit - they're potentially in both, but I'm yet to see them in the latter. I had no trouble seeing them in the former this past winter however.

Both zoos house sumatran tigers (Zoo holding the previous young from Tierpark), both house leopards - Persian in Zoo, and the incredibly rare Javan in Tierpark - and I believe that is the limit to crossover species cat wise.

It's only after writing that I realise you might mean what they house individually as well, and I will be honest and say Zootierliste is your best bet there. Both house a variety of smaller cat species, but as this is the Zoo thread I will single out sand cats, margay and oncilla. In terms of big cats, they also house jaguar and lions. The former currently only has its indoor area visible due to construction.

Edit: just to add if you can spare a day in your itinerary, include Tierpark. Admittedly it's my preferred of the two, but it's easily a top-10 European zoo, arguably internationally as well. If cats are your thing it's worth it if just for the Javan leopard. And if you need to convince people you really, really need to visit both it has gorgeous grounds and is nice to walk around for a day. Sorry for derailing the zoo thread...again

My apologies for derailing the thread!! Thank you so much, that is all incredibly helpful! And very much appreciated for you to take the time.
 
My apologies for derailing the thread!! Thank you so much, that is all incredibly helpful! And very much appreciated for you to take the time.
No problem at all, and enjoy your visit. I've visited the Zoo both at 35 degrees in the summer and -12 in winter and I have nothing but good things to say about it. But there are locals in this thread with far more knowledge than me! Between them the Berlin collections house (or within a few years, will house) just about every animal you can name.

I will check the manul when I visit on Monday, but I would doubt they've all left the Himalaya exhibit.
 
In fact, both Berlin Zoo and Berlin Tierpark updated their "cat buildings" (both present different animals in there as well, though).

In addition to what @cerperal already stated about Berlin Zoo, the Brehm building in Berlin Tierpark presents some young Sumatran Tigers again (so it's 1,1,2 or 3,1 now) as well as mentioned Javan Leopards (2,0), Clouded Leopards (1,3) and Asian Golden Cats (1,3). They also have some Cheetahs next to the Brehm building. Besides that, Berlin Tierpark also has some Snow Leopards and mentioned Pallas' Cats (both at the Himalaya area and the latter also at the second location mentioned by cerperal where it is far easier to actually see one).

As for Berlin Zoo, they didn't just give the cats better enclosures and continue to improve them. They also added a whole lot of didactic material on cats. And of course the presentation also improved for the visitors in general. For example, you may be lucky to watch through a window, when a Jaguar dives in the water pool.

Like cerperal, I'd normally recommend Berlin Tierpark over Berlin Zoo. But if your time is limited, you may go for the zoo and save the Tierpark for another visit (it's far easier to squeeze the Zoo into one day or even just half a day). If you really want to see Pallas' Cats it would have to be the Tierpark, however, and I'm sure you will enjoy your visit there as well.
 
Lovely visit today. Need to correct myself regarding the cats: the outdoor jaguar enclosure is still visible and it was locked outside all day, I assume the map showing this area inaccessible is a few months early. I also couldn't for the life of me find the oncilla but ZTL says it was present this month so that may be user error.

In other news, the gaur bull is immense as expected. He has not yet been mixed with the females, or at least is yet to be fully integrated. I spoke to a staff member briefly about it and he seemed to think the plan of phasing them out in Europe is being binned, as Berlin intends to breed. Good news if true.

It was nice to see just about everything, as fair weather tends to allow. Certainly I finally got a good view of the cassowary, alhough I am still yet to see a tenrec. But I finished the day with the Aquarium, and without wanting to put a downer on the rest of it I can't help but feel disappointed by the current collection. I understand it is mid-renovation, and it is completely acceptable for the 2nd floor to be closed currently. But the reptile section is a shadow of what it was a mere 2 years ago, notably missing any venomous snakes, the large constrictors and the monitors. My main concern is there simply isn't enough space in there to house them again once work has finished, and so I do fear for the future of such groups in Berlin. That said, the updated tuatara exhibit is fantastic. It's by no means a bad attraction and I don't feel short changed but those were my thoughts.

Oh, and sloth bears are present in both exhibits next to the brown bears. The male in one, and a female in the other. I haven't got a clue where they will find the space to expand the polar bear exhibit from, without constricting the sloth bears to a single enclosure. There is a lot of space available around the zoo, but unfortunately not in very usable areas.

Personally I'd bulldoze the pandas. But somehow I find that unlikely.
 
I very much doubt if Berlin would give up their giant pandas before the contract ran out. Giant pandas are popular zoo animals and attract big crowds, even if they're asleep
Completely agree. They are easily the most popular exhibit at the zoo, but I cringe to think of how excessively huge the complex is and the far more interesting and important species that could be housed there. But I suppose that's why the Tierpark exists!
 
Completely agree. They are easily the most popular exhibit at the zoo, but I cringe to think of how excessively huge the complex is and the far more interesting and important species that could be housed there. But I suppose that's why the Tierpark exists!

But that's exactly what I mean. And along the same lines, I can totally see them give up on the sloth bears to be honest. Then they'd have pandas (THE WWF maskot and symbol of all exotic as well as endangered species), polar bears (THE poster animal of climate change) and brown bears (one of THE symbols of extinct native fauna as well as THE symbol for the city Berlin).

Other (possibly even more endangered) bears like sun bears, spectacled bears and so on can either find a place in the Tierpark or they possibly won't care too much about giving them up.

Also it doesn't surprise me that they would bring polar bears back despite the Tierpark already having some as well which could well deal with some more space and an overall upgrade. Not to forget species with mediocre exhibits in the Zoo like apes/monkeys and elephants that perhaps could and should have a higher priority than bringing back another expensive species.

It may sound a bit cynical (and don't get me wrong: I like the Zoo including some of its pomp), but I could even imagine them thinking:
"Well, how will Tierpark fans like it, if we not only have polar bears return to the zoo but also give them an amazing new exhibit where they can breed - just like we intended for the Tierpark - and even announced to start fundraising for it - but then never followed up?
Ummh, I just remember we also never moved one of the ape species there as we originally announced.
Ups, or send the panda offspring over there as we told we would.
Or the koalas that were to come to the Tierpark instead.
And then we even decided we also want Red Pandas in the zoo.
But I guess, we never really cared in the past. Why would we start now?
And even better: Let them have remodel some exhibits and put some Asian small-clawed otters and even some okapis on some of them. Then they can show some popular species of Zoo Berlin and they won't feel so bad about an amazing whole new complex for polar bears in the zoo."

Like I said, I really don't mind it, if the zoo has amazing exhibits for all the popular zoo animals (including big pandas and polar bears etc) and possibly even ends up #1 in the Sheridan ranking some day in the future. If there should actually be koalas in Berlin, I'd even give them to the zoo myself, as they'd fit there just perfectly and I don't really need them (or big pandas) in the Tierpark. It's just the overall attitude which kind of gets on my nerves: Making promises and breaking them. Having each single compromise one-sided. Pretending like none of it was planned like that.

And again, I don't ever see them giving up on their elephants either.

By they way: I did some sketchy measuring on google maps. I'd say they extension area, the area just before it, where they now have the okapis etc (and used to have some rhinos) and also the area between elephants and monkey building all three potentially make up about 1.6 hectares space without loosing any highly popular species or modern buildings which cannot be replaced at another place in the zoo. If you wanted more space for the elephants it's impossible at the extension area, whereas it probably would be most difficult/expensive at the present elephant area.

Having said that, I wouldn't be too surprised, if they move more or even all of their apes (or at least all of the African ones) over to the extension area eventually. Then they would have a whole new and attractive complex in the traditional systematic approach (closely related species share the same section) but still avoid crowding all their monkeys and apes like now (I'd say it's a bit of an "overkill").
And this way they could knock down some parts of the monkey building to add space to the elephants (bringing it up to 2 hectares or more) without even moving them in the park. The remainder of the building can provide more modern and generous exhibits for some of the most popular or attractive monkey like orangs (if they stay) but also some smaller ones like squirrel monkeys.

What possibly speaks in favour of this:
- The elephant plans for the extension area seem outdated once and for all.
- The okapis and bongos receive a modernized complex close to the extension area very soon and this wouldn't make sense, if they are going to knock it all down. In contrast, it would make a whole lot of sense to also move the bonobos close to gorillas, okapis and bongos. They could also get mandrills again for this section as some of them also exist in Congo.

What possibly speaks against this:
- This would mean several massive construction sites and quite some years without being able to present some of their prime attractions.
- So far they tried using old building structures rather than knocking down too much of them.

But I don't think, Andreas Knieriem would like the monkey complex nor the elephant complex too much. And as you need both animal groups for strategic reasons and they could also generate some donations, he may well feel like making an exception in this case.
 
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You wouldn't believe what I just stumbled upon. Let's just call it some incredible timing (though apparently they already uploaded this 4 days ago) :D

06/12/2024 NEWS
180 YEARS OF ZOO BERLIN: ELEPHANT GATE
To mark our anniversary, today we are introducing you to one of the most famous places in the zoo.

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Elefantentor_9308.jpg

Pictures: Berlin Zoo

The Asian-style elephant gate gives the zoo a New York metropolitan flair. In the midst of traffic, shopping centers and hotels, the two reclining elephants made of light-colored sandstone shine like an oasis. The original construction of the entrance area dates back to 1898 and 1899, when the portal also included an administration building, apartments for zoo employees and other outbuildings. Today, the ticket offices and the zoo store are located here. The construction costs of the facility at that time amounted to 277,336 marks. In November 1943, the facility was completely destroyed in a bombing raid. The elephant gate was reconstructed between 1983 and 1985, although the ancillary buildings were simplified and the fence system was slightly altered. Today, the gate with its elephants is one of the most popular photo motifs in City West. Have you ever taken a photo here?

Would you like to find out more about the animal icons, historic places and exciting personalities of Zoo Berlin? Over the next few weeks, we will take you on a short journey through time. Every week until the zoo's official birthday at the beginning of August, you can expect a short article with exciting facts from the last 180 years.


Source: 180 years of Zoo Berlin: Elephant Gate – Zoo Berlin
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But that's exactly what I mean. And along the same lines, I can totally see them give up on the sloth bears to be honest. Then they'd have pandas (THE WWF maskot and symbol of all exotic as well as endangered species), polar bears (THE poster animal of climate change) and brown bears (one of THE symbols of extinct native fauna as well as THE symbol for the city Berlin).

Other (possibly even more endangered) bears like sun bears, spectacled bears and so on can either find a place in the Tierpark or they possibly won't care too much about giving them up.

Also it doesn't surprise me that they would bring polar bears back despite the Tierpark already having some as well which could well deal with some more space and an overall upgrade. Not to forget species with mediocre exhibits in the Zoo like apes/monkeys and elephants that perhaps could and should have a higher priority than bringing back another expensive species.

It may sound a bit cynical (and don't get me wrong: I like the Zoo including some of its pomp), but I could even imagine them thinking:
"Well, how will Tierpark fans like it, if we not only have polar bears return to the zoo but also give them an amazing new exhibit where they can breed - just like we intended for the Tierpark - and even announced to start fundraising for it - but then never followed up?
Ummh, I just remember we also never moved one of the ape species there as we originally announced.
Ups, or send the panda offspring over there as we told we would.
Or the koalas that were to come to the Tierpark instead.
And then we even decided we also want Red Pandas in the zoo.
But I guess, we never really cared in the past. Why would we start now?
And even better: Let them have remodel some exhibits and put some Asian small-clawed otters and even some okapis on some of them. Then they can show some popular species of Zoo Berlin and they won't feel so bad about an amazing whole new complex for polar bears in the zoo."

Like I said, I really don't mind it, if the zoo has amazing exhibits for all the popular zoo animals (including big pandas and polar bears etc) and possibly even ends up #1 in the Sheridan ranking some day in the future. If there should actually be koalas in Berlin, I'd even give them to the zoo myself, as they'd fit there just perfectly and I don't really need them (or big pandas) in the Tierpark. It's just the overall attitude which kind of gets on my nerves: Making promises and breaking them. Having each single compromise one-sided. Pretending like none of it was planned like that.

And again, I don't ever see them giving up on their elephants either.

By they way: I did some sketchy measuring on google maps. I'd say they extension area, the area just before it, where they now have the okapis etc (and used to have some rhinos) and also the area between elephants and monkey building all three potentially make up about 1.6 hectares space without loosing any highly popular species or modern buildings which cannot be replaced at another place in the zoo. If you wanted more space for the elephants it's impossible at the extension area, whereas it probably would be most difficult/expensive at the present elephant area.

Having said that, I wouldn't be too surprised, if they move more or even all of their apes (or at least all of the African ones) over to the extension area eventually. Then they would have a whole new and attractive complex in the traditional systematic approach (closely related species share the same section) but still avoid crowding all their monkeys and apes like now (I'd say it's a bit of an "overkill").
And this way they could knock down some parts of the monkey building to add space to the elephants (bringing it up to 2 hectares or more) without even moving them in the park. The remainder of the building can provide more modern and generous exhibits for some of the most popular or attractive monkey like orangs (if they stay) but also some smaller ones like squirrel monkeys.

What possibly speaks in favour of this:
- The elephant plans for the extension area seem outdated once and for all.
- The okapis and bongos receive a modernized complex close to the extension area very soon and this wouldn't make sense, if they are going to knock it all down. In contrast, it would make a whole lot of sense to also move the bonobos close to gorillas, okapis and bongos. They could also get mandrills again for this section as some of them also exist in Congo.

What possibly speaks against this:
- This would mean several massive construction sites and quite some years without being able to present some of their prime attractions.
- So far they tried using old building structures rather than knocking down too much of them.

But I don't think, Andreas Knieriem would like the monkey complex nor the elephant complex too much. And as you need both animal groups for strategic reasons and they could also generate some donations, he may well feel like making an exception in this case.
Obviously you are far more knowledgeable on the collections, both in terms of information and emotionally, but at no point reading your comment did I disagree at all.

I love the zoo. I've visited enough now that the excitement of a new collection has worn off and I still genuinely love spending time there, but today more than any other visit I felt the obvious sense that it exists to generate money as a priority. I am aware of how cynical and suggestive of a lack of husbandry care that sounds, so perhaps it's more that it exists to be a tourist attraction. Tierpark has always felt like a dedication to both conservation and enthusiasts, not to detract from the work the Zoo side of things does.

Compare the Zoo to London Zoo. London is a third of the size, and obviously houses a much smaller collection (best shown in mammal numbers). But in terms of the shared species, London provides not only larger habitats but overall better ones. There's also the caveat that Berlin Zoo insists on keeping medium to large herds of ungulates in paddocks that really should support 2 or 3 - I think that the scimitar horned oryx are the biggest offenders there. Berlin obviously does not want to downsize in terms of species number, but it also doesn't want to make use of the Tierpark to facilitate this. To explain what I mean, take the gaur - they want to breed them again. Fantastic news, genuinely. But I do not think that their current exhibit is large enough to house 3 (or potentially 4) adult females and calves. The logical thing is to send them to Tierpark, but I do not see that happening. Perhaps because the Zoo holds the stud book, but also because it would be losing an important species. The polar bears are a more ABC example, as surely if the Tierpark intends to redevelop that area anyway the zoo would be better off giving the brown bears and wolves more room? Yes, it's a nicely redeveloped exhibit but by Jove is it small for modern standards.

I don't wish to repeat anything you've said so well, but one thing I did once again realise is that basically all the signs in the Zoo use the sloth bear image. I've always found this strange, as the Berlin obsession with the image of a bear is better suited to the European browns. If the Zoo lost the sloth bears, I would hope Tierpark would be able to offer them a truly fantastic exhibit as such a charismatic and popular species deserves it - but I do not see it happening. Sloth bears are in a far worse state than polar bears in Europe, arguably worldwide, so it will be a crying shame should the Zoo lose them.

I guess on the upside, the Zoo remaining more financially focused allows the Tierpark to remain as it is. I love both collections and the Zoo has its real highlights - the hippo complex, the new rhino complex, and the nocturnal house - while the Tierpark indeed has its limitations - the polar bear exhibit is far from perfect and I am slightly concerned about the lack of outdoor space in the new elephant house - but no matter how exciting recent news is the Zoo is clearly the favourite child and the management would be much better off sharing.

But I do love both collections, they are both top 5 out of the ones I have visited and I always ensure I have time to visit both in Berlin. And once again, I thoroughly enjoyed my visit today

You wouldn't believe what I just stumbled upon. Let's just call it some incredible timing (though apparently they already uploaded this 4 days ago) :D

06/12/2024 NEWS
180 YEARS OF ZOO BERLIN: ELEPHANT GATE
To mark our anniversary, today we are introducing you to one of the most famous places in the zoo.

csm_Historisches_Foto_Elefantentor_9561_8102c0f010.jpg

Elefantentor_9308.jpg

Pictures: Berlin Zoo

The Asian-style elephant gate gives the zoo a New York metropolitan flair. In the midst of traffic, shopping centers and hotels, the two reclining elephants made of light-colored sandstone shine like an oasis. The original construction of the entrance area dates back to 1898 and 1899, when the portal also included an administration building, apartments for zoo employees and other outbuildings. Today, the ticket offices and the zoo store are located here. The construction costs of the facility at that time amounted to 277,336 marks. In November 1943, the facility was completely destroyed in a bombing raid. The elephant gate was reconstructed between 1983 and 1985, although the ancillary buildings were simplified and the fence system was slightly altered. Today, the gate with its elephants is one of the most popular photo motifs in City West. Have you ever taken a photo here?

Would you like to find out more about the animal icons, historic places and exciting personalities of Zoo Berlin? Over the next few weeks, we will take you on a short journey through time. Every week until the zoo's official birthday at the beginning of August, you can expect a short article with exciting facts from the last 180 years.


Source: 180 years of Zoo Berlin: Elephant Gate – Zoo Berlin
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As I'm sure you'll have noticed, the Zoo is now covered in signs giving information on the 180th anniversary. A slightly strange date to single out maybe but I did enjoy reading the information provided.
 
As I'm sure you'll have noticed, the Zoo is now covered in signs giving information on the 180th anniversary. A slightly strange date to single out maybe but I did enjoy reading the information provided.

Makes a change from the overall trend in recent years of ignoring the history of the zoo entirely or (in some cases) displaying signs of trying to rewrite history :rolleyes: last year when attending the Zoohistorica event at NaturZoo Rheine I had an interesting discussion with a few German zoo enthusiasts and professionals on the subject, and the fact that the zoo was entirely uninterested in my offer to donate my copy of the 1866 guidebook (which seems to be the only extant copy as far as anyone I have consulted can tell) to their archives.

So if they are - belatedly - showing more interest in highlighting the history of the zoo, this is no bad thing.... although I'm not going to make the offer again ;)
 
@cerperal I also didn't want to argue about/negate any of the arguments given by you or others. In fact, I don't even disagree (nor would I mind if I did). I just tried to expand upon what I (think to) understand about their main objectives and priorities.

I don't even think they HAVE TO make more money. They already have a few dozen million Euro back in the bank and besides donations they only started raising additional funds for investing into large, ambitious projects. But I do think Andreas Knieriem really wants Berlin Zoo to compete with the very best zoos in the world with a strong focus on public popularity and prestige, visitor numbers and so on.

The post from their main page was meant to illustrate the standing of this iconic gate as well as the elephants in general. This is true both for the zoo itself and the public. We may not like some of the implications that come with this. But I'm pretty sure we'll have to and are going to live with it.
 
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