Marwell Wildlife What does Marwell need to become a High Tier Zoo?

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Considering the current state of Marwell, and with the new appointment of Laura Read, how would you all suggest going about Establishing marwell as a top tier zoo? I think that there has been promise over the last 2-3 years after a decade or more of damage, and I hope this continues!

Hope this is a favoured discussion and curious to see other's views.
 
Considering the current state of Marwell, and with the new appointment of Laura Read, how would you all suggest going about Establishing marwell as a top tier zoo? I think that there has been promise over the last 2-3 years after a decade or more of damage, and I hope this continues!

Hope this is a favoured discussion and curious to see other's views.
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That is the short answer. The long answer is going to take some thought.

Also agree with Childonia. How do you define a top tier zoo and in what context? The UK, Europe or the World.
 
Personally - Chester and Whipsnade would be the first examples I'd think of. A "Top Tier" zoo in my eyes would be somewhere that: Is a full day out, doesn't leave you disappointed/wanting more, and has a range of animals of different species and conservation status. But my Question is more about how you would make it a Top Tier zoo in your eyes, so you're welcome to use your own criteria.

Will be posting my views later today.
 
Maybe when it becomes the first zoo to house cloned mammoths and dodos.
More seriously, Marwell is a good zoo in my opinion. It has a nice set of high profile species. It does quite some good conservation work as well.
 
It is a great zoo but as some have said it doesn’t have a range of animals, a lot of ungulates which isn’t a bad thing but it lacks things such as apes and bears perhaps which are big draws for other zoos however it’s alot of money for both species
 
Had a thought.

First thing to say is it does have the potential. 140 acres is certainly big enough and it is in a part of the country lacking in major zoos.

To be considered on a par with Chester or Whipsnade there are several things it needs to look at.
1 - Collection diversity
2 - Efficient use of space
3 - Empty former enclosures in prominent locations
4 - The former African valley
5 - Remains of former enclosures

Collection Diversity.
Marwell has always specialised in ungulates. It does have a very good collection of them but is that enough? There is a lack of species that people might expect from a top tier zoo, for example, elephants, great apes, bears, crocodillians, etc. It also lacks species in several other areas. It never had had a large collection of primates. There is only a single bird of prey species (southern caracara). The cat collection was once a strong point but is now just 4 species, Amur tiger, snow leopard, clouded leopard and serval.

Whipsnade has an ungulate collection that is at least comparable to Marwell's but doesn't have as many gaps in other areas.

Efficient use of space.
Marwell does have some very large exhibits. I personally think Wild Explorers is a fantastic exhibit. It is large with an 8.5 acre footprint but with the rhinos, grevy's zebra and scimitar horned oryx it has enough animals to justify it. The giraffe paddock is very good at 6 acres but at present it doesn't have enough individual animals to stop it looking empty. At the ridiculous level you have the 22 acre valley field which just holds Przewalksi's horses. Interesting thing there, Marwell's three largest exhibits cover the same area as the whole of London Zoo.

Something simple they can do, particularly around the generic paddocks with no species specific facilities is to ensure the larger herds have the larger paddocks. For example, you have I think 3 mountain zebras in a 3.5 acre paddock. Why not put the banteng herd in there instead? That enclosure wouldn't look nearly as empty.

That problem can't be eliminated entirely though. It has happened as a consequence of the decision that appeared to have been made some time ago to reduce the number of individuals per species held.

Empty enclosures in prominent locations
Several enclosures have been closed off over the past 15-20 years. There are two though that I think something needs to be done with the because they are in such prominent locations.

Firstly the pond as you enter the zoo. This did use to have various waterfowl species and a small primate on the island. Now it is a muddy overgrown pond. Not a brilliant first sight for visitors. Something needs to be done with this. Ideally turn it back into an exhibit, or if failing that, at least make it an attractive water feature.

The second is the former macaque island. Even the adjacent picnic area is still called Island View, even though there is now nothing on the island. That needs to be some sort of exhibit again.

Former African valley
This has been discussed to death several times before. Whatever goes there needs to have housing built. Also the viewing problem needs resolving. It can only be viewed from the outdoor eating area for Cafe Graze. There is no solution to that though that doesn't involve a lot of work. Build a new cafe elsewhere and have that area only for viewing is one option. Opening up the side of the enclosure for viewing would involve doing something with the bongo, kudu, blesbok, przewalski horse and Arabian oryx paddocks that back onto it. The other end is the overflow car park so putting viewing there would mean reconfiguring a lot of the park.

The other question is do you want to keep it as one massive area or build several new enclosures in that space. That would be one way to make the collection more diverse.

I would like to see a species that could make use of the lake in the valley. I didn't realise how large it was until I measured it on Google Earth. It is actually 130x30 metres. Surely something could make good use of that.

Remains of former enclosures
In that decade or so from 2005/06 when the zoo was reducing the number of animals held, a number of exhibits stopped being used, particularly along the South Road. There are a lot of remnants of enclosures, fences, housing, etc. It makes it obvious that there used to be something there. Either restore the enclosures or remove the evidence of them.

Biggest problem is that all of the above will need money and lots of it.

It does get a lot of things right though

I don't want this to be too negative so I want to add a lot of what it gets right. The enclosures are usually of a very high standard and as hinted above animals get more space than they do at a lot of other places.

The new exhibits that have been built over the last decade or so have been of a very high quality. I mentioned Wild Explores previously. The same is true for the new tropical house. Admittedly it could probably do with a headline species somewhere. One unexpected thing I like about it is the crocodile monitor enclosure because of the climbing opportunities it offers. I have heard some great reactions from visitors when it has been on the rock or in the branches amazed that it can climb up there.

Thriving Through Nature is good too. Indoor exhibits with several smaller species are commonplace. The indoor exhibit being one larger enclosure containing several smaller species is a nice change.
 
Now this is just a hyperthetical query, going off the 22 acre field or the former African valley would either of these locations
(albeit would cost a fortune and will never materialise) be suitable for African Elephants? I've never visited Marwell so have no idea on setting or location
 
The 22 acre paddock is the former African valley. Yes, elephants would be my dream scenario for it.

Can't see it ever happening though. Way too expensive to make it work.
 
I think before I start with my suggestions/ideas I need to make the point that in no way do I think Marwell is a bad zoo. I just think there are a few major points that need addressing (some of these will overlap with NMM) :

The African Valley
This has been discussed to wit's end, and as NMM has said previously, its a huge task to deal with, and I don't think it's necessarily the easiest space to develop considering its terrain. I think as it is currently, with the Prezwalskis Horse, it is the best use of it they currently can. I think that despite the difficulties in developing the land, it needs to be sectioned off into individual exhibits in the long term, rather than using it as a large field that is not meeting its potential. In the short term, the biggest complaint is a lack of viewability, could moving the large outdoor shelter/tent would allow for more viewing of the current inhabitants?

The Collection Itself
Marwell is very clearly specialised to Ungulates, and I personally love this and think it is a great thing. However, the actual populations of a lot of these species are *very* low. Lesser Kudu, Arabian Oryx, Beisa Oryx, Roan Antelope, Lowland Anoa & Giraffes are all at 3 or less, and, especially with the Giraffes and Roan Antelope, cannot fill the space they are given, In the last 2 years I've visited, the main field (giraffes, zebras & roan antelope) has been practically empty, with the odd zebra right at the back.

But its not just the ungulates, All lemur species are at under 2 individuals, and "common" species like the Meerkats, Red Panda & Binturong are at low numbers too, making the zoo feel very "empty". In general. the area between the Giraffes and the Clouded Leopards is the most lacking in numbers and species, alongside the back end of the zoo.

Old/Unused Enclosures
Walking through Marwell can sometimes feel like a ghost town, especially at the back end of the zoo and across south road. With the Macaque Island, GLT Walkthrough, old Sitatunga Enclosure, old Red Panda Exhibit & old Meerkat Exhibit at the back, remnants of enclosures on South Road, The old Warthog Exhibit and old Rhino Housing are all empty.

I think that this is one of the major things that Marwell need to do! Old Meerkat Exhibit, Sitatunga, Rhino Housing and possibly even the old Red Pandas wouldn't require tons of money or resources to fit for new inhabitants (Another Mongoose Species or Porcupines?, Kudu could be moved to old sitatunga exhibit? Rhino housing could hold a swine like Warthogs or Wild Boar and Tree Porcupine in the Red Panda?).

Warthogs, Macaques and GLT walkthrough are a different story... but something like Aardvarks could work in the Warthogs & Macaque island -with some security added - Mantled Guerza?

Smaller Species
Despite Marwell having a clear lack of certain animal groups, I do not believe that it necessarily means they can never be a good zoo! Cotswold Wildlife Park, for example, has no bear or great ape species, however is widely considered to be a very good collection!

It would be quite easy for Marwell to encourage smaller species into already used sections of the zoo: The old Nile Monitor exhibit, Tropical House itself and the room connecting to the Crocodile Monitors (possibly tamandua in the main enclosure? and aye ayes or slow loris in the connection?) and the Fur Feathers & Scales buildings could probably accommodate some species, e.g. small primates such as Tamarins & Marmosets, or some birds like Kookaburras.

Empty Space
There are a few locations that are not utilised at all at Marwell, most notably the area opposite the Giraffe house, that previously contained the Marabou Mansions, and the area between the entrance and Gift Shop (as well as South Road, however they are choosing not to use that) By utilising this space it would allow for the first sections of the zoo to feel much more alive then they currently do.

Finally, Utilisation of Enclosures
Marwell, in my opinion, struggle with the way they utilise their enclosures. AS NMM mentioned, the Banteng would work significantly better in in the paddock behind the "Eco Island" due to the sheer size of their group! Additionally, I think that the Lemurs worked significantly better in Life Among the Trees! The current primates simply aren't as active in the space as the Lemurs were, and the Lemur Walkthrough is... yeah... would work much better for another species (Secretary Bird? Diana Monkey again?). I also think that the Ostrich should be moved to one of the multi-animal paddocks- they are currently tucked away in the back corner opposite the tigers with only 2 individuals! This could allow for that paddock to be used better (could maybe hold a rarer species like Hyena? or more hoof stock such as Greater Kudu/Hartebeest?). Positioning the Blesbok in their current location doesn't make much sense, as without the Leopard Walkway there is a very limited visibility - could they work better over the far end of the zoo where the Banteng are now?

However, as NMM pointed out they have been doing a lot right. The Siamangs, Wild Explorers, Sitatunga, Snow Leopards, Okapis, Clouded Leopards and Tropical House are all amazing exhibits and are part of the reason for my interest in Zoo Architecture. Marwell also have amazing records with breeding and conservation, being majorly involved with the Scimitar Horned Oryx releases!

I hope this was a decently constructed list of Ideas and I'm curious to see what others think.
 
There are a few things to add to my comments from yesterday.

The question in some ways does imply that Chester or Whipsnade should be something Marwell aspires to imitate. That isn't necessarily the case and that wasn't John Knowles's vision in the first place, that was the ungulate focus. Also you do not need to emulate Chester or Whipsnade's species collection to be a great zoo (as Marwell was and can be again). You can do it with a more specialised collection.

That said, if Marwell did decide to go down that path, it isn't completely unrealistic as a long term plan. In the last 10 years Wild Explorers and the new tropical house were both multi-million pound developments so they can do large scale projects.

The gaps in the collection is the only issue that is specific to trying to emulate Chester/Whipsnade. The other issues apply whatever strategic direction Marwell decides to take.

There has been improvements in some of the issues. Some species such as banteng, Przewalkski's horse and sitatunga are increasing in number. This is all due to successful breeding rather than bringing in additional animals though. Last year some empty enclosures were brought back into use. The former bat-eared fox enclosure that was empty for some time now holds bush dogs. The former ocelot enclosure was converted into an aviary for caracara. The building that was the old tropical house is now the Thriving Through Nature exhibit.
 
I'm in 100% agreement.

This was in no means a criticism of Marwell at its current state, rather an opportunity to view and collect opinions! Marwell did great work last year and I hope this continues! Thank you for your insightful views.
 
Definitely. I think the gradual move of Leopard Lookout and Savannah Tracks into smaller versions (or in Leopard Lookout case extremely smaller and not even cats) and then inturn going out of Cheetah and Amur Leopards is a shame and they would both be stellar additions.
 
Definitely. I think the gradual move of Leopard Lookout and Savannah Tracks into smaller versions (or in Leopard Lookout case extremely smaller and not even cats) and then inturn going out of Cheetah and Amur Leopards is a shame and they would both be stellar additions.
For me, they could return to having decent pheasant and waterfowl collections, and reinstate Sulawesi Macaques.
 
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