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Although I think the elephants moving on is the best decision for their welfare I do feel sorry for the staff who have cared for these animals so well over the years. I’m not sure I would say it’s a case of Belfast City Council not having the money to develop the enclosure further but perhaps they don’t feel like it’s a worth while investment as they seem to find funding for all manner of projects across the city.

The decline of Belfasts collection is something I’m surprised goes by so unmentioned at times. In recent years Sumatran tiger, striped hyena, white nosed nosed coati, Temminks golden cat, crowned sifaka, red howler, bearded saki, black lion tamarin, lion tailed macaques, red river hog, Malayan tapir and countless bird species have all left. New additions - Scottish wild cat, alpaca and guinea pigs.

In the meantime large somes of money have been seen developing and ‘improving’ the zoo! Which in most cases has been replacing old fences with new ones and replacing netted enclosures with ugly metal cages. Many thousands spent on the old lion enclosure for new fencing with what must be the world’s only double sided overhang enclosure to now house a single capybara. New developments have included a new lion ‘kingdom’ with some very impressive and expensive glass windows and a replicated habitat with a a large slab of concrete and questionable mural.

Cheetah lookout was specially designed for their captive needs and husbandry but they forgot for the past year it was being advertised for wolves until they realised they would probably dig out.

And areas that’s once held animals have been changed into picnic areas, plastic dinosaurs, left empty and in some cases large areas like the lower avenues have been closed off to public access and left barren just like the previous old zoo site.

I had always hoped that the council would realise they don’t have what it takes to manage a zoo and would allow it to be privatised by some company that has knowledge and experience in the modern zoo world but I now fear of it does happen it will be sold to a local company with little experience just interest in trying to make a few pounds.

I hope I am wrong and the Belfast once again finds its feet and evolves into something special once again!
 
Not that it will happen but since the announcement that the elephants would be leaving, I had thought that the enclosure could accommodate common hippo or Black rhino? Large enough enclosure but unsure of layout so unsure how suitable for either species
 
Not that it will happen but since the announcement that the elephants would be leaving, I had thought that the enclosure could accommodate common hippo or Black rhino? Large enough enclosure but unsure of layout so unsure how suitable for either species
I've always liked the idea of Belfast getting black rhino in the future, since the other two main zoos in Ireland have the other rhino species in Europe (Dublin with white rhino, Fota with Indian rhino). But as much as I've wanted them in Belfast, I feel its unlikely to ever happen due to the lack of suitable space (unless I'm wrong on that).

Also, they should definitely rename that area of the zoo from 'Elephant and Giraffe loop', since the elephants will be gone.
 
Not that it will happen but since the announcement that the elephants would be leaving, I had thought that the enclosure could accommodate common hippo or Black rhino? Large enough enclosure but unsure of layout so unsure how suitable for either species
Well I doubt Hippo would work... if Black rhino were to go in that area they'd need to be kept separate as they're more aggressive than other Rhinoceros species.
 
I can’t see them replacing the elephants with any large species like hippo or rhino as one would cost a lot of money and the other would again be the case of putting a large species in a rather small paddock.

The best solution would indeed be to give the whole of the inside for larger improved giraffe stabling and convert the elephant paddock into an area to allow them access 24/7 to outside rather than them being restricted to such long periods inside. This however would cost a lot of money.

Camels would tick a box and probably be suitable but I think someone mentioned it has been ruled out.

Repurposing for any kind of smaller species such as Pygmy goats, capybara or similar would just make the giraffe paddock and enclosure look too small in comparison! Some difficult decisions to be made!
 
I don’t know if you can ever right of the larger abc’s from any zoo in the future how ever unlikely times, owners, investors, public persecution change look at polar bears they where dead and buried in the uk till YWP reinvented how to house and exhibit them in the Uk and this allowed them to arguably build a zoo around them as a star attraction and other zoos now following the trend

It wasnt YWP, it was the Highland Wildlife Park under Doug Richardson that reinvented Polar Bears in the UK (and elsewhere)..all the current UK accommodation has been in conjunction with his advice.
 
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It wasnt YWP, it was the Highland Wildlife Park under Doug Richardson that reinvented Polar Bears in the UK (and elsewhere)..all the current UK accommodation has been in conjunction with his advice.
Really? I though bears of all colours (brown, white, black, beige - most of them are pretty much the same) were being kept behind simple electric fencing on the continent and in safari parks like Woburn whilst 'Mercedes' was still at Edinburgh?
 
Technically you could say that of course...but the keeping of Polar Bears in meadows(in the UK at any rate) wasnt seen by me until HWP did it 15 or more years ago.
 
May I suggest we move this conversation to a separate thread?

The digression - that is, highlighting the possibility that any given ABC species *could* theoretically become more commonplace or return to a zoological collection with the correct circumstances, whether financial, husbandry, political or otherwise, with polar bears used as a case study - is one which merits retention here; of course, we don't want the polar bear discussion to continue digressing.... unless anyone dares suggest Belfast is about to get the species, which I highly doubt :p

To return to the topic at hand, given the financial and political difficulties which Belfast has faced in recent years I fear that anyone hoping for species such as Black Rhinoceros or Takin will be sorely and bitterly disappointed - personally, I suspect that a bog-standard wallaby walkthrough or similar "cheap, easy to stock and popular with the punters" option is the best we can hope for given the circumstances.
 
Given that Belfast city council hadn't got the money to upgrade what they already had to meet current standards they certainly haven't to build a completely new elephant complex, so once these two have left on the 24th that's it for keeping elephants at Belfast, interestingly they must be one of the few places with two defunct elephant houses still standing within the zoo grounds admittedly the public can't view one of them but it and the paddock do still exist, and that makes the current one look brilliant,then it was different times and things move on thank goodness.
What is the role of Belfast City Council in this .... other than being incapable to manage a zoo facility nor be able by themselves to uphold zoo husbandry standards and zoo management wise be oblivious or have a lack of understanding of a zoo future vision to develop the zoo in a more positive manner whilst at the same time ensuring financial security and its books remain in order?
 
Maybe a species of oryx, sable and the like can be used to repurpose the elephant paddock, although I assume a series of changes will have to occur (repurposing the indoor area, modifying the substrate and adding grass, etc). Edit: it has been mentioned in the Dublin thread by @Babyrousa that their tapir will be sent to Belfast. Perhaps this is where they will be housed?
 
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The digression - that is, highlighting the possibility that any given ABC species *could* theoretically become more commonplace or return to a zoological collection with the correct circumstances, whether financial, husbandry, political or otherwise, with polar bears used as a case study - is one which merits retention here; of course, we don't want the polar bear discussion to continue digressing.... unless anyone dares suggest Belfast is about to get the species, which I highly doubt :p

To return to the topic at hand, given the financial and political difficulties which Belfast has faced in recent years I fear that anyone hoping for species such as Black Rhinoceros or Takin will be sorely and bitterly disappointed - personally, I suspect that a bog-standard wallaby walkthrough or similar "cheap, easy to stock and popular with the punters" option is the best we can hope for given the circumstances.


I fear you are most likely right in this prediction. A cheap and easy fix with a small species. My main criticism of this is still as above as it will make giraffe enclosure look small in comparison. It would be like replacing the chimps in the ape house with squirrel monkeys and the gorillas on the opposite side having the same space.
 
The digression - that is, highlighting the possibility that any given ABC species *could* theoretically become more commonplace or return to a zoological collection with the correct circumstances, whether financial, husbandry, political or otherwise, with polar bears used as a case study - is one which merits retention here; of course, we don't want the polar bear discussion to continue digressing.... unless anyone dares suggest Belfast is about to get the species, which I highly doubt :p

To return to the topic at hand, given the financial and political difficulties which Belfast has faced in recent years I fear that anyone hoping for species such as Black Rhinoceros or Takin will be sorely and bitterly disappointed - personally, I suspect that a bog-standard wallaby walkthrough or similar "cheap, easy to stock and popular with the punters" option is the best we can hope for given the circumstances.
What do you think that the visitors would make of Takin? They are wonderful and I did hear that the Goldens at Dresden were some of the most popular animals they had. The babies especially are very appealing, but I was still surprised to hear this. Were they (are they) popular at Highland and Paignton?
 
What do you think that the visitors would make of Takin? They are wonderful and I did hear that the Goldens at Dresden were some of the most popular animals they had. The babies especially are very appealing, but I was still surprised to hear this. Were they (are they) popular at Highland and Paignton?

Takin are definitely an interesting and appealing species - and have always seemed popular at the various continental collections where I have seen them, especially Wroclaw and Tierpark Berlin. At Paignton they were always a little tucked away, which probably didn't work in their favour, and I don't remember much about the former exhibit at Marwell, but at Highland Wildlife Park I think that - as with most of the large hoofstock in the drive-round reserve - they have always been pretty successful.

All of this is, of course, sadly moot as regards Belfast - much as the species *would* be a great addition to their collection, as previously noted I fear that financial considerations render anything as large as that a non-starter - but I would definitely welcome more interest in the species within UK collections; much as I have a bit of a reputation for liking small, unusual carnivores, I also have a soft spot a mile wide for caprines! :D
 
What do you think that the visitors would make of Takin? They are wonderful and I did hear that the Goldens at Dresden were some of the most popular animals they had. The babies especially are very appealing, but I was still surprised to hear this. Were they (are they) popular at Highland and Paignton?
I think Goldens are probably more appealing than the others to general visitors as you have both the odd appearance combined with that very striking colour. Probably more in demand by the zoos for that reason too.

The Takin at Paignton were housed firstly in a rather decrepit building and yard which didn't show them off to best advantage Then in the old quarry area which is/was a much better exhibit but sadly rather out of the way and probably missed by many visitors. This will house a fresh group of males from HWP in the future it seems.
 
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Then in the old quarry area which is/was a much better exhibit but sadly rather out of the way and probably missed by many visitors.
Yes, whenever I visited the Takin Quarry, there would be no more than a handful of people watching them. The original enclosure, now derelict along with the camel barn, really did not show how unique of an ungulate these creatures really are. Hopefully in the future, The Takin Quarry will become more ‘famous’ around the zoo as I believe red panda were going to be moved near here?
 
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