Caribbean Flamingo
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I'm gonna post my wishlist for Indonesian zoos and aquarium in this thread. Others may also post here!
I can start with big guns like Taman Safari Bogor, Jakarta Aquarium, or Jagat Satwa Nusantara, but of all things, Solo Safari has sometimes been in the back of my mine lately.
Hahaha I thought I was the only one noticing this. The old jingle was actually pretty decent in my opinion for a theme, it was only played in some instances in the park in Cisarua. Hoped it was played more often.I'll also try and elaborate my wishes for Solo Safari in the future, but one urgent thing I need fixed for ALL the Safari parks is.. to have more than 2 variations of the theme song. Let me tell you, spending the entire day at the zoo with it playing can drive you insane![]()
I forgot to put this one as well in the reply but I also do think that Solo Safari doesn't do enough in how they use the small space in term of collection and exhibit. So its bothering me that they will use the rest of the space, which in my opinion aren't small for some smaller exhibits, for a theme park.In regards to the size, I don't think they can do much with it since it is ultimately a revitalization of Jurug Zoo which is already a relatively small park, especially compared to Gembira Loka. How they've used that space is more questionable, however. Did they really need to create ANOTHER pricy restaurant within zoo grounds? Did they need to design a haunted house, when that space could have been used for a reptile house, aquarium or a proper nocturnal house?
I'm actually not really good at deciding what new animals to add without proper theming, so that's why I left out that part.As for the collections, yes this is one of Solo Safari's big weaknesses. It doesn't really have anything that lets it stand out among other zoos within Java. I would love for many of the previously kept species to return, but remembering that most of them were old, lone individuals, I wouldn't mind new species to be added as well.
This is not really a issue for me at all. I prefer glassed exhibit more but glaring always make it incredibly hard to view and photographed the animals without getting way to close to the glass. So, I feel like adding some shelter might work to keep off sunlight from reaching some part of the glass, like how they did with most of the glassed exhibits in Faunaland.Keep in mind as well that from the start, Solo Safari was designed with no barred or wired cages in mind. This is why (except for the birds) when they need to have enclosed/semi-enclosed exhibits, they'll use glass instead, even though it can lead to horrible glare (as seen with the Javan Lutung exhibit)
I'm gonna post my wishlist for Indonesian zoos and aquarium in this thread. Others may also post here!
It was noted in Zootierliste that SEA aquarium in Singapore have bonnethead shark in their collection, no idea how they acquired them and if they will be willing and able to send some to Indonesia. Logistic and cost will be a massive issue for BXSea to acquire large fish from the Carribean Sea, importing reef fishes from there might be a lot cheaper since some of these fish do entered the Indonesian trade though not often (Like the Atlantic blue tang).BXsea:
- Make them realize that their tank isn't suitable for scalloped hammerhead sharks, and acquire bonnethead sharks to compensate their failure of keeping scalloped hammerheads. Though yeah, they can be only acquired from the United States AFAIK, IDK if aquaria or suppliers in nearby countries like Australia or China keeps them.
- Once they overgrow their tank, phase out the false gharials and turn the exhibit into a mini coastal terrarium with mudskippers and land hermit crabs.
- Phase out the small-clawed otters and turn its exhibit into an aquatic reptile exhibit for sailfin dragons and snake-necked turtles. Pig-nosed turtles may be added too.
- Phase out the Japanese spider crabs and replace them with spiny king crabs and giant isopods. Deep-sea fishes like Hilgendorf's saucord, popeye catalufa and flashlightfish may be added too.
- Turn the large reef fish exhibit on Hide and Seek into an exhibit for the giant Pacific octopus, as it may overgrow its exhibit. The former GPO exhibit can be used for nautilus.
- Phase out the albino pangasiuses and replace them with silver arowanas, as they can provide some show when fed (jumping out of water for food).
- Phase out the iguana and replace it with forest dragons or small varanids.
- Reintroduce the whitetip reef sharks into the main tank.
- Introduce Hemiscyllium freycineti to the shark pool in front of the Raja Ampat exhibit.
- Add more compatible sharks and rays to the main tank. I'd like to see zebra bullhead sharks and wobbegongs there. Mid-sized carcharinids like silvertip sharks or grey reef sharks are good too.
I remember reading that the crocodiles were phased out from SeaWorld as it was during the heat of dispute between the previous owner of SeaWorld and Ancol Jaya, with the latter bringing up that SeaWorld weren't allowed to keep semi-aquatic animals or land animals. Now that Ancol have full ownership of SeaWorld, I feel like its much more likely for the saltwater crocodiles and false gharial to return in different way to Samudra Ancol instead. Though the complex will most likely stay the same, I do think its a good thing that it would make it possible for SeaWorld to have more variety in freshwater exhibits in that way.SeaWorld Ancol:
- Revamp their wetland exhibit into a huge full-blown mixed aquatic reptile exhibit with turtles and small crocodilians (like dwarf caimans or dwarf crocodiles) or compatible lizards (Chinese water dragons, caiman lizards or sailfin dragons). Basically turn it into "Innovation Aquarium: The Sequel".
- Phase out the albino pangasiuses and replace them with wallagos.
- Acquire compatible large carcharinid sharks for the SharkQuarium like sandbar shark, sicklefin lemon shark and limbatus blacktip shark. Re-aquiring scalloped hammerheads are welcomed too.
- Send all of the Asian arowanas to the rainforest tank and use its old exhibit for the electric eel.
- Reintroduce the sea turtles to the former dugong tank and send the rays from said exhibit to the main tank.
- Move the giant Pacific octopus to its old exhibit from 2011-2021 and move the large humphead wrasses to the main tank. Its former exhibit could be used to house chambered nautilus.
- Turn the current red emperor snapper exhibit into an exhibit for the seahorses. The former seahorse cylinder tank will be used for sea angels/clione.
- Turn the blacktip reef shark pool in the touch pool area into a tide pool exhibit with starfish, sea cucumbers, small fishes, horseshoe crabs and Melo melo snails. The small touch pools can be demolished, while the bamboo shark and small ray touch pool can be kept.
- Turn the Parni plaza area (the one with the Coelacanth museum and Parni's display in it) into an area for additional exhibits, preferably cylinder or rectangle tanks housing small marine life such as cuttlefish, reef lobsters, mudskippers and hermit crabs
I feel like its unavoidable for Jakarta Aquarium to have land animals due to its ties with Taman Safari Indonesia. My alternative for the land animals issue of JAQ is to make their mammals (excluding otter, as well as some mammals that will be returned to Cisarua) owls, and some reptiles to be exclusive for a presentation or for interactions and will not have their own exhibit. Some species, like the meerkats, snake-necked turtle, and lemurs, should be sent to Cisarua. In that way, we can try making the first section a lot more stand out as possible as realisticly as possible.Jakarta Aquarium:
- Send the serval to TSI and use its exhibit for small crocodilians or semi-aquatic lizard. They could've kept the Sumbawa water monitor there to compensate their failure of obtaining the Komodo dragons.
- Send all of the mammals (except for the small-clawed otters and Prevost squirrels) to TSI, and turn the mammal complex on the 1st floor into open-top reptile exhibits. The former meerkat exhibit can be used as a North African desert exhibit with Egyptian tortoise and spiny-tailed lizards, the former binturong and capuchin exhibits can be used for tegus and red-footed tortoises.
- Reintroduce the wobbegong sharks, but house them in the ray tank.
- Revamp the freshwater section into two exhibits: the piranha exhibit and one long/huge megatank with the current predatory fishes. Larger ones may be sent to TSI's Lorong Reptil aquarium.
- Use the former porcupine fish and lionfish tank (that used to be the GPO and wobbegong exhibit) as an exhibit for Indonesian epaulette sharks (Hemiscyllium freycineti and halmahera).
- Reintroduce the stag/dynastid beetles to the insect exhibit.
- Use the former snake-neck turtle exhibit as an exhibit for resident crocodile newts. The snake-neck turtles may be sent to TSI as they can overgrow their exhibit.
- Reintroduce the nautilus to the flashlight fish exhibit.
Like I reported before after my visit in July, we'll be getting an sturgeon pond in the future in the former pirarucu pond, if we ever get paddlefish again it will probably be here.Dunia Air Tawar:
- Finish their rescaping and revitalization plan.
- Hoping for a North American exhibit with largemouth basses, alligator gars and channel catfish.
- Turn the paroon shark tank into an exhibit for paddlefish and sturgeons, as paddlefish require large bodies of water for them to grow big.
- More rare freshwater fishes seldomly seen in public aquaria, such as piraiba catfish and northern pike.
I also had the same wishlist like this for Jakarta Aquarium.
- Send the serval to TSI and use its exhibit for small crocodilians or semi-aquatic lizard. They could've kept the Sumbawa water monitor there to compensate their failure of obtaining the Komodo dragons.
- Send all of the mammals (except for the small-clawed otters and Prevost squirrels) to TSI, and turn the mammal complex on the 1st floor into open-top reptile exhibits. The former meerkat exhibit can be used as a North African desert exhibit with Egyptian tortoise and spiny-tailed lizards, the former binturong and capuchin exhibits can be used for tegus and red-footed tortoises.
- Reintroduce the wobbegong sharks, but house them in the ray tank.
- Reintroduce the stag/dynastid beetles to the insect exhibit.
- Use the former snake-neck turtle exhibit as an exhibit for resident crocodile newts. The snake-neck turtles may be sent to TSI as they can overgrow their exhibit.
Phase out the small-clawed otters and turn its exhibit into an aquatic reptile exhibit for sailfin dragons and snake-necked turtles. Pig-nosed turtles may be added too.
Send the serval to TSI and use its exhibit for small crocodilians or semi-aquatic lizard. They could've kept the Sumbawa water monitor there to compensate their failure of obtaining the Komodo dragons.
Send all of the mammals (except for the small-clawed otters and Prevost squirrels) to TSI, and turn the mammal complex on the 1st floor into open-top reptile exhibits. The former meerkat exhibit can be used as a North African desert exhibit with Egyptian tortoise and spiny-tailed lizards, the former binturong and capuchin exhibits can be used for tegus and red-footed tortoises.
I don't think so. Couples and families will still go to JAQ even though JAQ had no land mammals in their collection. I believe that most people went to JAQ to see fishes not land mammals and they will prefer to go to TSI instead of JAQ to see land mammals.As much as I hate JAQS' mammalian additions, including Holy the Harbor Seal, this is something I feel is very unlikely to pass. I don't think families and couples would be pleased to see the cute mammals replaced with generally less appealing reptiles, and it'd be harded to pass this to investors as a good idea. Like it or not, small mammals contribute a cuteness factor that draws general audiences in.
Your first point is kinda right, with or without mammals, JAQ would still strive in some ways since aquarium is an aquarium and that would still be appealing for Jakartans in particular (Regardless of the fact that there's already four aquarium in and around the city). But, the fact that the mammals were already way to engrained in the entire branding of Jakarta Aquarium also as an urban safari makes it very difficult to just let them pass. People already know and associate Jakarta Aquarium as the aquarium that have mammals, which is what makes it very appealing for ordinary guests especially families and couples who were there just to have fun. If JAQ one day for some reason announce they will phase out the mammals to focus on the fishes, reptiles, and aquatic life in general, people would noticed that and be less appealed to go there. Yes, there would still be many Jakartans visiting the aquarium just for the tanks, but the numbers I feel would decreased from the current massive numbers. Again, this went along with my belief that each aquarias should something that make them stand out, JAQ and BXSea essentialy would be the same place except the latter have a tunnel aquarium.I don't think so. Couples and families will still go to JAQ even though JAQ had no land mammals in their collection. I believe that most people went to JAQ to see fishes not land mammals and they will prefer to go to TSI instead of JAQ to see land mammals.
There's a lot of points to contradict this, including my prior one, but one thing you also need to consider is practicality from people. Jakarta Aquarium is located in a mall within a developed city, making it very accesible to a lot of Jakartans and others visiting the city with the only need is the essentials budgets for tickets and other stuffs like merchandise or FnB. Not a lot of people can go to Taman Safari Bogor easily due to stuffs that include locations and other stuffs (Unless you have cars, private driver, or have the budget to spare for public transportations its not practical).I believe that most people went to JAQ to see fishes not land mammals and they will prefer to go to TSI instead of JAQ to see land mammals.
I believe that most people went to JAQ to see fishes not land mammals and they will prefer to go to TSI instead of JAQ to see land mammals.
Waterfall Basin
- Revamp the fishes in all of the exhibit in freshwater fish zone except the piranha tank.
Aside from a glassed below view for the pond and several exhibits, the undergound area of Kampung Papua only have several stuffed wallabies and birds-of-paradise. To make it more interesting, I consider adding multiple terrariums similar to the indoor wombat cave in Prigen. There will be five planted terrarium ranging from small to large. Two small terrariums houses red-eyed crocodile skink and emerald tree skink, the third medium-sized terrarium houses green tree python, two larger terrarium houses an Darwin carpet python and a pair of blue tree monitor.
Kampung Papua in Taman Safari Bogor is in my opinion one of the park's least popular exhibit, but to me its a interesting concept and have a lot of potential. An specific geography-based theme exhibit is my favorite, especially involving islands like Papua as seen in Cisarua. I wish we can see Kampung Papua as an proper Papua-based exhibit, as currently it seems like the Papua-theming of the exhibit revolved around the southern cassowary, several wallabies, and occasionaly grizzled tree-kangaroo more, with other exhibits housing several species that could've been housed in other exhibits, like the non-Papuan alligator snapping tortoise.
Here is my version of Kampung Papua:
These are my wish for Kampung Papua in the future, despite being flawed, its still one of my favorite exhibits in Taman Safari Bogor. I'll try writing my wishes and ideas for other least popular exhibits (The Asian forest tortoise exhibit and the meerkat-mandrill-proboscis monkey-Japanese macaque complex are in my mind) in the next few days.
- The current exhibit for a pair of southern cassowary is decent and also somewhat the main exhibit of Kampung Papua. It was formerly a Komodo dragon exhibit before the Komodo Dragon Island was built in early 2010's, making it a bit unfitting for the cassowaries in regard to decoration and foliage (For some reason barely unchanged from when the dragons were still in this exhibit). Though I can see the cassowary stay with revamping the exhibit to be more fitting, I do wish to see something else in this rather nice exhibit. Though honestly a very wishful thinking, I can see this exhibit housing several New Guinea singing dogs, of course with safety measures to prevent people and things from falling over to the exhibit (Like the wires around the fences in the white tiger exhibit in Cisarua's Baby Zoo). This dogs are present in several US zoos that if Cisarua interested in might be able to work with, as opposed with trying to sourcing them locally (Which may involve shady business).
- The two aviaries do houses Papuan birds (Blyth's hornbill and palm cockatoo) and black-backed swamphen, but I feel like adding birds-of-paradise would be more fitting and would make Kampung Papua even stands out, being regarded as one of the natural icons of Papua. Cisarua already held three species; lesser (Minor and finschi), red, and twelve-wired bird-of-paradise. I feel like the aviaries should hold the twelve-wired bird-of-paradise and the finschi lesser bird-of-paradise in the aviaries. Adding other passerines or pigeons could be risky, species like the masked lapwing and pied stilt might work as they dwell in the bottom of the aviaries, reducing risk of agression by the birds-of-paradise and to make the aviaries more attractive.
- The large pond in Kampung Papua held several non-Papuan species like the black swan, Amboina box turtle, and the hidden Alligator snapping turtle. Previously, this exhibit held several young saltwater crocodiles, which does present in the island of Papua. But, since there are already six salties exhibit in Cisarua (All four exhibits in "Crocodile Park" held salties of various sizes), the New Guinea crocodile would be even more fitting for Kampung Papua. With younger crocodiles, it would be possible to add several Papuan turtles and fishes. Cisarua already held pig-nosed turtle, elseya branderhorsti (Transferred from Royal Safari Garden resort), and elseya novaeguinae, either of the elseyas and the pig-nosed turtle could be displayed here along with a group of red-bellied short-necked turtle and a pair of northern snake-necked turtle (Transferred from Jakarta Aquarium). More water could be filled to make a underwater view section in the already present underground section of Kampung Papua, where it would be possible to see the pig-nosed turtle and various species of rainbowfishes more clearly.
- The main macropod exhibit is often very empty, with only several agile wallabies and occasionaly dusky pademelon and grizzled tree-kangaroo. I'll like to see this exhibit to house a large mix of macropod, each species in a small group, which include all three said macropods and a couple of white-striped dorcopsis from the other exhibit in the mix.
- The two nocturnal exhibits is one of the interesting part of Kampung Papua, currently housing a mix exhibit with sugar glider and four-toed hedgehog as well as one housing Javan mongoose. In my pitch, the sugar glider obviously would stay with the hedgehogs being replaced by an Irian Jaya blue-tongued skink from the Reptile Tunnel. The mongoose exhibit will see an common spotted cuscus returning to this exhibit (As previously does prior to 2019). If possible, I do wish to see some of the Raffray's bandicoot being transferred from Prigen for display in Cisarua. Maybe one or two could be housed together with the cuscus, as the exhibit is actually quite big and the cuscus hopefully prefer staying above to minimized interaction with the bandicoots.
- Aside from a glassed below view for the pond and several exhibits, the undergound area of Kampung Papua only have several stuffed wallabies and birds-of-paradise. To make it more interesting, I consider adding multiple terrariums similar to the indoor wombat cave in Prigen. There will be five planted terrarium ranging from small to large. Two small terrariums houses red-eyed crocodile skink and emerald tree skink, the third medium-sized terrarium houses green tree python, two larger terrarium houses an Darwin carpet python and a pair of blue tree monitor.
- The last exhibit is a quite large, unsigned exhibit that houses several dorcopsis. I assume this is a temporary holding cage, but the dorcopsis has been there for a long time. As the dorcopsis is moved to the main macropod exhibit, this exhibit will be where the cassowaries housed in, as this exhibit do actually houses the southern cassowaries when the Komodo dragons were still in their future exhibit and since I feel like cassowaries is kind of a must in Papua-based exhibit (Being as popular as the birds-of-paradise in being the icon of the island). Though, I see the northern cassowary to be more fitting as they're exclusively from that island (Unlike the southern species that can be found in the Mollucas and northern Australia).
The species occurred in the island of Batanta off the coast of the main island, so it kinda count? I try to consider the species that are already available in Cisarua, had been kept there before, and that were already available in zoos and private farm or suppliers. Varanus prasinus or the emerald tree monitor are from the main island and Cisarua already held this species so it could be a better replacement maybe. I kind of consider the frilled lizard as well, despite being associated more with Australia, but I aware the underground area weren't big, so it could fit only smaller terrariums but not an entire enclosure. Which is why I left out the lophosaurus and hypsilurus long-term.I don't think Blue tree monitors occur in New Guinea
I feel like Cisarua should be able to get a hand of this species if they consider them in the future, maybe from Singapore if they had bred there. I'm not sure where it would be housed within the Panda Palace. Definitely very unlikely to demolish the indoor giant panda exhibits to make way for less popular species or anywhere within the indoor section without the opinions of the Chinese investors.As for Chinese Alligator, it might be better for the Panda Palace as it came from China
I feel like Cisarua should be able to get a hand of this species if they consider them in the future, maybe from Singapore if they had bred there. I'm not sure where it would be housed within the Panda Palace. Definitely very unlikely to demolish the indoor giant panda exhibits to make way for less popular species or anywhere within the indoor section without the opinions of the Chinese investors.
There are some small patch of land across the small aviary housing golden pheasants that might be able to be build an Chinese alligator exhibit that I imagined should be inspired with the false gharial exhibit in River Wonders with a underwater view and land area that are exposed by sunlight. A shelter above should be build as well to avoid glaring.
The species isn't massive for a crocodilian, so these hypothetical exhibit should be able to held a couple, some turtles like Chinese softshell turtle and/or Chinese pond turtle might work.