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There are at least three wild populations in the UK (the third is at Bridgend in south Wales: https://www.froglife.org/wp-content...ecord-of-the-aesculapian-snake-in-S-Wales.pdf).
Interestingly that population has since evolved puffer jackets and tracksuits, with a diet consisting purely of leftover kebabs and suspicious powders

It is slightly strange to entertain the thought of London denying their population's existence, given the article linked directly concerns these snakes. I've not been lucky enough to spot one yet, but I do think it's a missed opportunity that there's not at least some signage that side of the zoo regarding the snakes, at least that I'm aware of, especially given how the majority of the population still seems unaware of even our native herps.
 
There are at least three wild populations in the UK (the third is at Bridgend in south Wales: https://www.froglife.org/wp-content...ecord-of-the-aesculapian-snake-in-S-Wales.pdf).

The Colwyn Bay population is well-established as having originated from a zoo escape - what is your source for the zoo denying it?

The London population is equally well-established as not resulting from zoo animals but from a deliberate release from a research facility adjacent to the zoo (see, for example, Aesculapian Snakes in London for the history).

Fascinating. Great article and some lovely pictures by the author of it - clearly knows his snakes well. They obviously have a good amount to eat given the rat population.
 
The first link (the paper) is interesting also in that the species is known to have been native to the UK in the past.

Interesting! Was just having a look at them in the Naturalized animals of Britain and Ireland (Christopher Lever) book and it was noted there they were declining in Europe and this could be an important population too.

Outside the threat to small birds (which don’t seem to be much of their diet) they seem to be a positive reptile in areas with large amounts of rats and mice - food for thought on whether they would ever be reintroduced more widely.
 
Interesting! Was just having a look at them in the Naturalized animals of Britain and Ireland (Christopher Lever) book and it was noted there they were declining in Europe and this could be an important population too.

Outside the threat to small birds (which don’t seem to be much of their diet) they seem to be a positive reptile in areas with large amounts of rats and mice - food for thought on whether they would ever be reintroduced more widely.
They occupy a different ecological niche to our native reptiles so I wouldn’t think they would cause too much of a problem.
 
On a separate note, does anyone have any further information on the hummingbirds at ZSL? Was I dreaming when I read they had acquired some new ones?
 
On a separate note, does anyone have any further information on the hummingbirds at ZSL? Was I dreaming when I read they had acquired some new ones?
They were added to current holdings on ZTL, with a visit in June or July in which they were both seen and signed being provided as a source. Unfortunately, seeing as the entry has now been removed and nobody has reported to have seen them in the time since, myself included, I think we can assume that this was an error and has since been removed. Hopefully, one day, hummingbirds will return to ZSL.
 
They were added to current holdings on ZTL, with a visit in June or July in which they were both seen and signed being provided as a source. Unfortunately, seeing as the entry has now been removed and nobody has reported to have seen them in the time since, myself included, I think we can assume that this was an error and has since been removed. Hopefully, one day, hummingbirds will return to ZSL.
I suspect someone mistook sunbirds for hummers
 
Interesting that you keep saying this.

Under Section 14(1) WCA 1981 it is an either way offence to release into the wild, or to allow the escape of, any animal which is not ordinarily resident, or a regular visitor to, Great Britain in a wild state: or which is included in Part 1 of Schedule 9. [...] In either instance, however, it is a defence under section 14(3) that the accused took all reasonable steps and exercised all due diligence to avoid committing the offence. (source)
I'm no lawyer, admittedly, but this sounds like intent does, in fact, come into it - there is an accidental escape where an animal unexpectedly went against its specific training and did not respond to the safeguards put in place (ie. food or devices - such as clickers or whistles - carried by the keepers as contingency for this exact scenario)... and then there is an "accidental escape" which occured entirely due to negligence, such as zoos not maintaining their enclosures to the degree required to them by law.

You should consider the risk of escape when you are considering using any nonnative animals in demonstrations outside of a secure enclosure. You should however ensure that these animals cannot escape into the wider environment and that you have contingency plans in place that can be enacted in the event of animals escaping into the wild. (source)
ZSL did have contingency plans in place in this instance: the animals in question will have been microchipped and / or ringed to aid with identification, will have recieved specific training to facilitate this free-flying behaviour (with evidence of a structured, science-based training programme being carried out), and will have procedures laid out for if animals do not return as expected (again, with evidence that the keepers were ready and prepared to enact these procedures at the point at which they took the birds out of the enclosure).

For anybody who is interested, there is a specific exemption in the Wildlife and Countryside Act for free-flying birds of prey:

In principle, we would not regard the long-standing and traditional practice of falconry as amounting to the commission of the offence. Such birds are clearly expected to return and competently done, there is no intention to allow the birds their freedom to establish in the wild. The legislation provides a defence if the accused can prove that all reasonable steps have been taken, and all due diligence has been exercised, in order to avoid committing the offence. Thus, the competence of the handler and the degree to which the bird has been properly trained will be relevant considerations. The release of surplus or unwanted birds, with no intention of retrieval, would constitute the offence. (source)
("Intention" is mentioned twice in this paragraph, by the way)

Thank you for the 'cut-and-paste'. Interesting, but zoos are covered by the ZLA too which you did not quote, and parrots are hardly covered by a specific exemption to cover the 'traditional practice of falconry'. Presumably the definitive interpretation of any of this would be down to the Courts, and as you say you are not a lawyer. My comments were made in good faith following professional opinion being given on an earlier occasion. Clearly we will; have to differ on the ethics of chaining up wild birds for the greater part of their live and then forcing them to come back to the 'trainer' by imprinting or through hunger.
Regarding the "accidental escape" which occured entirely due to negligence, such as zoos not maintaining their enclosures to the degree required to them by law - I did not know that this was the case with cases that sprung to mind such as the bear, Japanese macaque and capybara - but thank you for confirming.
 
Thank you for the 'cut-and-paste'. Interesting, but zoos are covered by the ZLA too which you did not quote, and parrots are hardly covered by a specific exemption to cover the 'traditional practice of falconry'. Presumably the definitive interpretation of any of this would be down to the Courts, and as you say you are not a lawyer. My comments were made in good faith following professional opinion being given on an earlier occasion. Clearly we will; have to differ on the ethics of chaining up wild birds for the greater part of their live and then forcing them to come back to the 'trainer' by imprinting or through hunger.
Regarding the "accidental escape" which occured entirely due to negligence, such as zoos not maintaining their enclosures to the degree required to them by law - I did not know that this was the case with cases that sprung to mind such as the bear, Japanese macaque and capybara - but thank you for confirming.
Don't want to be rude, but if this conversation is going to become in a debate over if some practices of maintaining birds are ethical, I suggest you could move it in the hot take thread or into a new thread. I don't want to be rude, but I would love if the threads that cover news of a specific zoo stay that way insted of the thread deviating from its originally content.:)
 
Thank you for the 'cut-and-paste'. Interesting, but zoos are covered by the ZLA too which you did not quote, and parrots are hardly covered by a specific exemption to cover the 'traditional practice of falconry'. Presumably the definitive interpretation of any of this would be down to the Courts, and as you say you are not a lawyer. My comments were made in good faith following professional opinion being given on an earlier occasion. Clearly we will; have to differ on the ethics of chaining up wild birds for the greater part of their live and then forcing them to come back to the 'trainer' by imprinting or through hunger.
Regarding the "accidental escape" which occured entirely due to negligence, such as zoos not maintaining their enclosures to the degree required to them by law - I did not know that this was the case with cases that sprung to mind such as the bear, Japanese macaque and capybara - but thank you for confirming.
You clearly have no understanding of falconry, I suggest you get informed about the human/bird interface. There is a genuine partnership that extends beyond the provision of food. How do you think wild caught adult birds function in falconry
 
Oh dear, what with the comments on here and the other thread, are we being infiltrated by the anti-zoo mob?
Let's get back to the anti-plastic dinosaur and 'too many meerkats' comments? They are much more fun!
Someone clearly never had their pet hamster escape its cage....animals are clever, of course they will attempt to get out, not for any human sense of liberty, but looking for food, a mate or even boredom and devilment. No zoo is different.
Casting the first stone for no reason other than to be critical seems completely pointless, especially on a pro-zoo site. Better go post it on the Daily Snail website where they like any excuse to have a go at zoos.
 
‘Zoo Town’ info from ZSL website

ZooTown - opening 2025 | London Zoo
Although I must confess that I am a little disappointed, if it is true that the infrastructure of the building is no longer suitable for keeping animals then I much prefer this to leaving it empty and offshow like with the Aquarium or Elephant and Rhino Pavilion, as it definitely has some educational value, and anything that gets younger visitors excited by animals is a good thing.

That said, I thought that the only real issue was with heating the building, thus ruling out ectotherms - I don't recall hearing anything about infrastructure preventing any sort of animal being held, as is the case with the Mappins. Therefore, I somewhat hoped that at least a portion of it will still hold live mammals. Perhaps an exhibit devoted to rodents and other small mammals.

That said, I mostly don't mind this development. The name on the other hand...
 
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