Zoo/Aquarium Hot Takes

The pinnipeds were the only reasonable, easy, and cost-effective option for them. I agree it was truly magical to see dolphins at the Minnesota Zoo again, but the reality of it is I can really only think of one zoo/aquarium that I have been to that currently houses dolphins in a worse exhibit than Minnesota's. Minnesota's is just too small for bottlenose in my opinion and thought this when seeing them there again. Perhaps a smaller dolphin species like Pacific White-sided Dolphins would work better, but even then Minnesota is pretty small and their are so few of them in captivity in the US there is no chance its really even plausible. (Another wishful thought would maybe be if SeaWorld/Aquatica is looking to get rid of the Commerson's Dolphins that remain like they did with the Hawaiian Monk Seals, but that is very unlikely.

Commerson’s dolphins would be a great idea but I got another one for you: porpoises. The last well known porpoises on exhibit in North America were Vancouver’s two harbor porpoises, both rescues. They passed a few years back from old age but I’d love to see the species return in some capacity and Minnesota’s exhibit would be pretty perfect. They don’t need a ton of space due to their size, the exhibit could be rescaped to their liking fairly easily, and they’re absolutely adorable. Plus they’re common around the US and Canada so it might be fairly easy to get some rescues in need of a home. Here’s what the last ones at Vancouver were working with in terms of exhibits:
 
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Commerson’s dolphins would be a great idea but I got another one for you: porpoises. The last well known porpoises on exhibit in North America were Vancouver’s two harbor porpoises, both rescues. They passed a few years back from old age but I’d love to see the species return in some capacity and Minnesota’s exhibit would be pretty perfect. They don’t need a ton of space due to their size, the exhibit could be rescaped to their liking fairly easily, and they’re absolutely adorable. Plus they’re common around the US and Canada so it might be fairly easy to get some rescues in need of a home. Here’s what the last ones at Vancouver were working with in terms of exhibits:
Size would seem to work in your favor, but there's a reason you don't see porpoises in aquariums nearly as much - they tend to be much more shy and easily stressed than dolphins, which in contrast are more outgoing and more inclined to form positive associations with keepers. More easily stressed, more easily sickened, harder to manage. Not saying it's impossible, because as you point out, it has been done, but it's just much harder. If you ever read Brooke Besesen's book on the vaquita, she devotes a fair bit of space to discussing the differences between dolphins and porpoises in managed care, which goes part of the way to explaining the ill-fated attempt to capture vaquita for a rescue project.
 
It would’ve been cool if the commerson’s dolphin population was able to stick around. Their small size could’ve made them more accessible and less problematic compared to other dolphin species. I know Japan is breeding them but frankly the conditions they’re kept in over there seem really poor…
 
I do hope that their focus on guest/visitor infrastructure brings in more visitors and funds, so hopefully we can see those kinds of animal-based expansions in the future.

My opinion here is that it feels like they're doing a lot of guest infrastructure but like... not in the ways that I care about.

Food at zoos is very hit-or-miss to begin with. I think some facilities have really good dining options- I recall being pleased with Henry Doorly, and while I found the dining room at the Shedd overstimulating, the options on offer weren't bad. Even Como Zoo has pretty decent food options when you consider all of the stands around the zoo (though I do find their dine-in service to be... rough).

The food at the Minnesota Zoo sucks. It sucks BAD. Not just in their cafeteria area, but throughout the property- most of the food stands are almost always unstaffed (except for rare peak hours), and there's lots of guest amenities that just aren't what they used to be. My gripe here might be a bit of a personal one; out on the Family Farm there used to be this really awesome ice cream spot. You'd get a ton of ice cream for a pretty good price, it was yummy, it was a nice place to sit, it really felt homey! Now that ice cream place is only open on weekends and they've completely changed how they operate. Less choices, lower quality, and you can only get it if you decide to go on the two busiest days of the week. No thanks. Their food court is equally miserable- I'm not expecting top-tier cuisine but I am expecting food that doesn't make me disappointed in humanity.

I think they changed food vendors a few years ago but my GOD is it bad now. Depressingly so. I've posted about it before and I feel really strongly about it lol!

It feels like the Minnesota Zoo's focus right now is on their non-animal-related trail and also their after-hours events. Adult zoo parties, concerts, etc. If you're gonna put so much focus on guest facilities and events, at least make the guest facilities during regular operating hours good!
 
Here's a take inspired by all of the panda talk, recently - for all of their rarity and the expense associated with them, I feel like giant pandas actually have simpler exhibit requirements (as in, what the animal actual requires, rather than what the PRC requires of loaning zoos) than other bears. Zoos spend vast amounts of money of enclosures for an animal which, in its natural state, is most inclined to sit down in one spot and eat all of the food in arm's reach, and then move 10 feet, sit down, and repeat the process (I'm exaggerating, I know). I always get slightly irked when I visit the National Zoo and see the panda exhibit (which has been renovated several times in my lifetime) at the top of the zoo, and then the rather plain and unimpressive Andean bear habitat at the bottom of the zoo, which has largely been untouched. I'm not opposed to giant pandas in US zoos and certainly want them to have the best welfare, but it's a little exasperating to see San Diego and National repeatedly pour money into what are already perfectly fine exhibits at the expense of other potential projects.
I agree and I don’t even think this should be considered a hot take. I have seen footage of panda enclosures from Chinese zoos that could be considered as underwhelming or questionable. I feel like the requirements from the Chinese government feel like a power move more than anything.
 
I agree and I don’t even think this should be considered a hot take. I have seen footage of panda enclosures from Chinese zoos that could be considered as underwhelming or questionable. I feel like the requirements from the Chinese government feel like a power move more than anything.
They basically are. Perhaps also to try and calm down Chinese netizens who cry foul over non-issues or claim abuse when there isn’t any over pandas in other countries. A big example of this is the Memphis Zoo and Ya Ya the panda. She had a genetically linked chronic skin condition and even Chinese officials stated she was being cared for, but people online tried to claim abuse over her appearance. I’m sure that kind of attention wasn’t great for both the zoo and Chinese officials.
 
The irony is that, if you remove the political piece of the puzzle, I think pandas would have the potential to become a species that, if not commonplace, than would certainly be well-established in the US. I feel like behaviorally they are much better suited to zoo life than, say, polar bears. There's few large mammal where the natural life and social structure can be replicated as easily as they can be with pandas - sure, harvesting the bamboo can be a drain on staff time and resources, but so is maintaining a giant, chilled pool and dealing with marine mammal water quality standards. Breeding pandas in zoos is now no longer the rarity it once was - three of the four last US zoos to have the species bred them successfully. If it weren't for Chinese ownership and loan costs, they'd be a species many US zoos would be able to house and we'd probably have a sustainable SSP population of them here...

...and the irony of THAT is that, if giant pandas become common place in American zoos, I doubt people would get anywhere nearly as excited about them as they do because of their rarity
 
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Commerson’s dolphins would be a great idea but I got another one for you: porpoises. The last well known porpoises on exhibit in North America were Vancouver’s two harbor porpoises, both rescues. They passed a few years back from old age but I’d love to see the species return in some capacity and Minnesota’s exhibit would be pretty perfect. They don’t need a ton of space due to their size, the exhibit could be rescaped to their liking fairly easily, and they’re absolutely adorable. Plus they’re common around the US and Canada so it might be fairly easy to get some rescues in need of a home. Here’s what the last ones at Vancouver were working with in terms of exhibits:

Seems even more unlikely and unrealistic to me than the Commerson's. The point of mentioning the Commerson's was to point out that there is a population of animals already in zoos/aquariums that could add more intrigue to the space than sea lions AND is on there way out the door in captivity in the US, so SeaWorld could potentially be looking to do something else with the species anyway (which as I said is very unlikely). The Commerson's Dolphins would be a another stop-gap measure for the zoo that would fill the space for maybe another 10 years, like the Hawaiian Monk Seals were, instead of a permanent solution. The truth is the ultimate fate of the space (barring a major redesign) is likely sea lions, even if you can maybe delay that from happening for a while.

While Harbor Porpoise may be fairly common in US waters, I'm not sure where the idea of "it might be fairly easy to get some rescues" comes from, as if that were the case there would be a population of them already in captivity. Why would you expect that to change just because a zoo/aquarium is now interested in housing some?
 
...and the irony of THAT is that, if giant pandas become common place in American zoos, I doubt people would get anywhere nearly as excited about them as they do because of their rarity
People may not be as excited but I think it would be the type if animal people ask the zoo staff wether or not they have then like they do with elephants and lions.
 
While Harbor Porpoise may be fairly common in US waters, I'm not sure where the idea of "it might be fairly easy to get some rescues" comes from, as if that were the case there would be a population of them already in captivity. Why would you expect that to change just because a zoo/aquarium is now interested in housing some?

I hate to say this, but, as someone pointed out above, the reason you probably don’t see harbor porpoise rescues very often is a) people don’t bother trying because they are hesitant to take the risk and expend the resources on a less well studied species that’s in poor health already, and b) even if they do, the effort fails. Rescuing an animal is often a zero sum game - you either save a life or you don’t, and sometimes it’s simply too far gone to even try to help. I know for a fact that the species has shown up a few times in my local area (SeaWorld San Diego) but based on them not being on exhibit, those efforts came to naught. But if a zoo had space for a rescue that survived, it could become an option. So I suppose I ought to revise my statement to “it could be potentially easy to acquire some rescues, should the need arise and should a facility in the local area be willing to take on the initial task.”

A more generalized rescued cetacean exhibit space in place of an ongoing captive population/breeding program is imo a very interesting idea, but not for Minnesota which is much too far from water to actually rescue animals themselves.

I only brought up the harbors because they’re interesting, and I think it could be a worthwhile endeavor to more actively try to rescue whatever sick individuals are found. This is a hot takes thread after all, we’re all spitballing here :)

If you ever read Brooke Besesen's book on the vaquita, she devotes a fair bit of space to discussing the differences between dolphins and porpoises in managed care, which goes part of the way to explaining the ill-fated attempt to capture vaquita for a rescue project.

I’ve not read that particular book, but I am fairly intimately familiar with the vaquita species survival attempt. I’ve actually had the chance to hear a lecture from and speak with one of the main scientists involved in the effort back in the late 2010s, and cited his paper in some of my college research. It was a disastrous attempt to put it mildly, and tragic that it failed, but he did mention to me that the scientists theorized the vaquita as a species was particularly susceptible to stress, even more so than all other porpoises. I wager harbors are, while still more difficult than dolphins, more manageable as Vancouver did very well with their rescues for a good few years, and rescuing in general is extremely high stress for the animals. The Yangtze finless porpoise, an endangered species itself, has done very well in captivity in China, and even had captive bred individuals released into the wild (if the government reports are to be believed). Definitely will check the book out though - sounds fascinating!
 
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Of course, while this doesn’t exactly apply to every facility. I do think most aquariums are often more guilty of having a homogenous collection than zoos.
I'll disagree on this one. While aquariums on the whole often have very similar collections, I'm way more likely to find more species I've never seen at an aquarium than most zoos, just by virtue of there being way more fish and other aquatic animal species. Zoos may have different ABC animals and slightly different reptile or bird collections, but on the whole, most zoos are just a combination of what other zoos have. Aquariums are way more likely to have a couple oddballs or other interesting species that find their way into the collection one way or the other.
 
Aquariums are way more likely to have a couple oddballs or other interesting species that find their way into the collection one way or the other.
That can certainly be true, but (at least in my experience) aquariums tend to be poorly signed, so if one is not familiar enough with collections it can be difficult to impossible to know that something rare is at a given institution.
 
I thought I said this before but I am surprised I didn’t. So here goes:

Maybe it’s because I didn’t grew up watching his show but I never found Steve Irvin impressive nor inspirational.
 
Maybe it’s because I didn’t grew up watching his show but I never found Steve Irvin impressive nor inspirational.
Yeah, it was kind of a thing for the time. No one had really done anything like that on TV, chasing down venomous snakes and diving onto crocs with his bare hands, driving around the outback, speaking passionately and genuinely about conservation - it was a breakthrough for the time it came out. Terry being American appealed to the American audience. Then his untimely and tragic death in his prime. I have fond memories watching the shows with my Dad when I was younger.
 
I thought I said this before but I am surprised I didn’t. So here goes:

Maybe it’s because I didn’t grew up watching his show but I never found Steve Irvin impressive nor inspirational.
Steve Irwin was one of the most impressive, inspirational, charismatic, passionate, and entertaining television personalities I've ever had the pleasure of watching. His life was tragically cut short while doing what he loved. He left a wife and two children who have followed in his footsteps as conservation advocates.
 
I think Steve Irwin's greatest achievement was that his style of presenting and programs attracted people who didn't have an interest or conservation, simply because they found it entertaining. They would have inadvertently learnt things as a consequence.

Getting through to people who don't have an interest in a subject is one of the hardest challenges when trying to educate the public.
 
Hot Take: The Lion exhibit at KC does not need a renovation. For context, the Kansas City Zoo is renovating their kopje area, Lions included (They are redoing the entire front of the exhibit. I feel like the resources could have been put to better use for maybe adding another species. There is room for expansion as all of the other species will included and a mother's room will be added. I think maybe add a porcupine space and have a part of the indoor viewing in the mothers space similar to Nashvilles bathrooms.
 
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