Ragunan Zoo Ragunan Zoo

DannySG said:
May I ask one question. Any storage box around the entrance to keep luggage, thanks.
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I would love to see your review of Ragunan Zoo (or any other zoos in Indonesia) if and when you are planning to visit). Ragunan primate center and the zoo as a whole is in my view a gem that is yet to fully flower. It is quite possible to while away at the zoo for a day or 3 and not yet have really seen everything (even more so than say for instance ..... Tierpark Berlin, Singapore or San Diego Zoos).
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
I would love to see your review of Ragunan Zoo (or any other zoos in Indonesia) if and when you are planning to visit). Ragunan primate center and the zoo as a whole is in my view a gem that is yet to fully flower. It is quite possible to while away at the zoo for a day or 3 and not yet have really seen everything (even more so than say for instance ..... Tierpark Berlin, Singapore or San Diego Zoos).
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Thank you for sharing your experience.
I actually visited this zoo back in 2019 and found it quite impressive. I completely agree with you that it has great potential. Considering the difficulties everyone faced during the COVID-19 pandemic, I hope the zoo wasn't too severely impacted. I'm thinking about revisiting it if I can arrange a trip to Jakarta in the near future.

By the way, when I visited some zoos in Malaysia after the pandemic, I could really see the negative impact it had on them. Of course, just my personal feeling.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
Have they previously successfully bred? How large is the current group of Javan langur (I assume the west Java subspecies?)?
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There was only one male West Javan langur on display atleast. Not sure about the entire number either, but there are a number of group or families of East Javan langur and silvery langur in multiple exhibits (In both the Schmutzer Primate Centre and the main zoo).
 
Several news are coming from Ragunan;

Ragunan and Semarang Zoo has held a collection exchange, where Semarang received a pair of Congo sitatunga and a pair of Australian pelican to Ragunan. In exchange, both Ragunan and Semarang each exchanged their male and female "Bengal" tigers. It's nice that Ragunan sent the sitatunga and pelican to other zoos as they have a very large surplus of them that would further diversify the gene of the Indonesian captive population. Though, it had to still be noted that the purity of the "Bengal" tigers held in both Semarang and Ragunan are questionable.

In a much more exciting news, Ragunan have seen the birth of two Javan banteng in August of 2024.
  • Female Rasi born from parent Raju (M) and Susi (F)
  • Male Agus born from parent Bejo (M) & Amei (F)
It was noted that the parents, Bejo & Susi, came to the zoo from Taman Safari Prigen in September of 2023 in exchange for a unknown animal (I would guess capybaras as one of them).

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Rizz Carlton said:
Several news are coming from Ragunan;

Ragunan and Semarang Zoo has held a collection exchange, where Semarang received a pair of Congo sitatunga and a pair of Australian pelican to Ragunan. In exchange, both Ragunan and Semarang each exchanged their male and female "Bengal" tigers. It's nice that Ragunan sent the sitatunga and pelican to other zoos as they have a very large surplus of them that would further diversify the gene of the Indonesian captive population. Though, it had to still be noted that the purity of the "Bengal" tigers held in both Semarang and Ragunan are questionable.

In a much more exciting news, Ragunan have seen the birth of two Javan banteng in August of 2024.
  • Female Rasi born from parent Raju (M) and Susi (F)
  • Male Agus born from parent Bejo (M) & Amei (F)
It was noted that the parents, Bejo & Susi, came to the zoo from Taman Safari Prigen in September of 2023 in exchange for a unknown animal (I would guess capybaras as one of them).

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I kinda hope Ragunan sends their sitatunga to Bazoga to fill that empty exhibit near the ostrich exhibit and Zona Afrika
 
In adherence to the GSMP (Global Species Management Plan), Ragunan has made efforts to took part in the care and conservation of four threatened animals targeted in the GSMP (Anoa, babirusa, banteng, and Sumatran tiger) through individual exchanges that will help diversify the genes of these population in captivity.

Last month, Ragunan and Taman Safari Bogor each exchanged their lowland anoa and North Sulawesi babirusa.
  • Ragunan received an female anoa named Benga and an male babirusa named Ocha.
  • Cisarua received an male anoa named Tangguh and an female babirusa named Meri.
Taman Margasatwa Ragunan on Instagram: "Taman Margasatwa Ragunan selalu berupaya untuk dapat melakukan yang terbaik dalam konservasi satwa liar. Salah satu upaya yang dilakukan adalah dengan mengikuti rekomendasi perkawinan dan perpindahan Global Species Management Plan (GSMP) @action_indonesiagsmp GSMP sendiri adalah rencana konservasi secara kolaboratif jangka panjang, yang bertujuan untuk meningkatkan populasi serta menyelamatkan spesies target dari resiko kepunahan. Saat ini terdapat empat spesies target GSMP yaitu Anoa, Babirusa, Banteng dan Harimau Sumatera. Untuk mencapai tujuan tersebut, dibuatlah rekomendasi perkawinan dan perpindahan satwa GSMP. Pada Rekomendasi Fase 3, Taman Margasatwa Ragunan menerima rekomendasi untuk menerima dan memindahkan satwa Anoa dan Babirusa dari dan ke Taman Safari Indonesia Bogor. Melalui skema kerjasama hibah satwa antara Taman Margasatwa Ragunan dan Taman Safari Indonesia Bogor, rekomendasi tersebut dapat dilaksanakan tepatnya pada 21 Oktober 2024. Taman Margasatwa Ragunan berkomitmen untuk terus mendukung konservasi satwa liar dengan tetap memperhatikan pentingnya manajemen populasi satwa di Lembaga Konservasi. Salam Lestari!"
 
I'm wondering what made Ragunan Zoo so difficult to get renovated? Taman Mini (especially their animal facilities) are getting renovations since 2023 but nothing has been done for Ragunan Zoo, while Surabaya and Solo Zoo got renovated.
 
Fargusno said:
I'm wondering what made Ragunan Zoo so difficult to get renovated? Taman Mini (especially their animal facilities) are getting renovations since 2023 but nothing has been done for Ragunan Zoo, while Surabaya and Solo Zoo got renovated.
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The correct term would be revitalization, renovation imply the park would get additional lands.

To oversimplify it, my explanation would be;
  • Ragunan being consideribly larger than those parks.
  • Due to that issue, massive numbers of capital and resources are needed to be used.
  • The revitalization of Ragunan would need heavy political and economic manuevering due to the status of the zoo (Ownership by the city government, being culturally-popular towards the public, and etc.). How will actors (Individual and organization) that are pro-revitalization would convince the government, investors, and the general public that revitalization is not only necessary, but would be worth it long-term?
  • With massive numbers of their exhibits and overall important infrastructures being old, this goes back to the first two points.
The Schmutzer Primate Centre is the closest thing to a revitalization made by the zoo, even then it can be considered old by today standard.

The closest thing that would be what Ragunan would looked like after a revitalization would ironicly be Surabaya Zoo now, which mostly only repainted their exhibits and using their exhibits for "compatible animals". To summed it up, old exhibits are still being used though only repainted/redecorated. How Solo Safari get to its position now are due to their smaller size (Which makes it more easier to manage and rebuild from the grounds up) and some clever political-economic move by the Manansang and Sumampau.

My only fear is what the prospect of a revitalized Ragunan would be. Despite the state its in, Ragunan is one of the few zoos in Indonesia that had made considerable efforts in the breeding and conservation of threatened native animals. Yes, new and popular animals will be coming in, but that would potentially be at the cost of a large number of the original individual animals and even the loss of objectively rare animals (I.e Gorontalo macaque, Natuna Islands surili, maleo, etc.) for animals like servals, lemurs, meerkats, farm-bred tigers, and other more heavily popular animals. That also didn't consider the possibility of bad and wasted land management despite the zoo's size, who knows if they make a large portion of the zoo into an attractional themed-park and there would only be like atleast 20 exhibits/zones there (I'm looking at you, Solo Safari).

With the revitalization and possibly new management, a new Ragunan would be like Jagat Satwa Nusantara at best and just a larger version of Bandung Zoological Garden at worst.
 
Rizz Carlton said:
The correct term would be revitalization, renovation imply the park would get additional lands.

To oversimplify it, my explanation would be;
  • Ragunan being consideribly larger than those parks.
  • Due to that issue, massive numbers of capital and resources are needed to be used.
  • The revitalization of Ragunan would need heavy political and economic manuevering due to the status of the zoo (Ownership by the city government, being culturally-popular towards the public, and etc.). How will actors (Individual and organization) that are pro-revitalization would convince the government, investors, and the general public that revitalization is not only necessary, but would be worth it long-term?
  • With massive numbers of their exhibits and overall important infrastructures being old, this goes back to the first two points.
The Schmutzer Primate Centre is the closest thing to a revitalization made by the zoo, even then it can be considered old by today standard.

The closest thing that would be what Ragunan would looked like after a revitalization would ironicly be Surabaya Zoo now, which mostly only repainted their exhibits and using their exhibits for "compatible animals". To summed it up, old exhibits are still being used though only repainted/redecorated. How Solo Safari get to its position now are due to their smaller size (Which makes it more easier to manage and rebuild from the grounds up) and some clever political-economic move by the Manansang and Sumampau.

My only fear is what the prospect of a revitalized Ragunan would be. Despite the state its in, Ragunan is one of the few zoos in Indonesia that had made considerable efforts in the breeding and conservation of threatened native animals. Yes, new and popular animals will be coming in, but that would potentially be at the cost of a large number of the original individual animals and even the loss of objectively rare animals (I.e Gorontalo macaque, Natuna Islands surili, maleo, etc.) for animals like servals, lemurs, meerkats, farm-bred tigers, and other more heavily popular animals. That also didn't consider the possibility of bad and wasted land management despite the zoo's size, who knows if they make a large portion of the zoo into an attractional themed-park and there would only be like atleast 20 exhibits/zones there (I'm looking at you, Solo Safari).

With the revitalization and possibly new management, a new Ragunan would be like Jagat Satwa Nusantara at best and just a larger version of Bandung Zoological Garden at worst.
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I'd trust the guys behind Jagat Satwa Nusantara or the Taman Safari Group with Ragunan's revitalization, hopefully the next governor of Jakarta is open to that idea.
 
Fargusno said:
I'd trust the guys behind Jagat Satwa Nusantara or the Taman Safari Group with Ragunan's revitalization, hopefully the next governor of Jakarta is open to that idea.
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As I see it, it really comes down to whoever is appointed as curator/manager of the park. We've seen how individual parks can become relatively disappointing (for us) even when under groups with a good track record (eg. Solo Safari and Jakarta Aquarium & Safari in comparison to Safari Bogor, Prigen or PCBA, or Drive-thru Park in comparison to BSZ), with these newer parks seemingly geared more towards pleasing visitors than conserving/displaying rare species, hence why they feel homogenous.
 
Mossman Joe said:
As I see it, it really comes down to whoever is appointed as curator/manager of the park. We've seen how individual parks can become relatively disappointing (for us) even when under groups with a good track record (eg. Solo Safari and Jakarta Aquarium & Safari in comparison to Safari Bogor, Prigen or PCBA, or Drive-thru Park in comparison to BSZ), with these newer parks seemingly geared more towards pleasing visitors than conserving/displaying rare species, hence why they feel homogenous.
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I agree. Kroma Labs can handle the exhibit design though.
 
 
Mossman Joe said:
After sending giraffes to Batu Secret Zoo last October, Ragunan has received a male Nilgai and a pair of Scimitar Horned Oryx as a part of a breeding loan.

Taman Margasatwa Ragunan on Instagram: "Ada anggota baru di Taman Margasatwa Ragunan lho, Sahabat Ragunan. Di bulan November ini Taman Margasatwa Ragunan menerima seekor nilgai dan sepasang scimitar oryx dari Batu Secret Zoo/Jawa Timur Park 2 melalui skema kerja sama _breeding loan_ atau peminjaman satwa. Semoga dengan kedatangan satwa-satwa ini, keanekaragaman jenis satwa di Taman Margasatwa Ragunan bisa makin bertambah ya... Salam Lestari. #ragunanzoo #dkijakarta #tamanhutandki #conservation #batusecretzoo"
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The single male nilgai was added as part of the exchange and breeding program to be paired with the few female nilgais that are already present at the zoo, where the Ragunan's original male have been absent for a while.

The scimitar oryxes are interesting since they're most likely added as part of the plan by Ragunan to diversify their collection (They're not part of a breeding loan, they didn't have this species before).
 
 
Fargusno said:
Is this the same one as the one in TSI Cisarua back in the past, and also in Faunaland?
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They are a scimitar oryxes from Batu Secret Zoo. If you're talking about the scimitar oryx in Cisarua, there is an single individual left on display there and haven't been phased out. Yet, it is a very different individual from the animals that Ragunan received from Batu and Cisarua haven't sent any oryx to other facilities.

I guess what you mean by the one in Faunaland is their Arabian oryx pair. Obviously them and the scimitar oryxes are different species. Yes, Ragunan have had Arabian oryx in the past, but it had been gone for a while and very unlikely to be the same oryxes as in Faunaland that are most likely brand new.
 
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