Yes, that is what @Swanson02 was referring too. Burma is moving next Tuesday (so November 12).
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Burma’s import date has already been announced in the Monarto thread. @Swanson02 was merely commenting it’s a momentous week for Zoos SA (encompassing Adelaide and Monarto) that one should have the Giant pandas leaving; and the other, an Asian elephant arriving.
The excitement will continue over the next six months with the new pair of Giant pandas arriving before the end of the year; and 1.3 elephants (including Monarto’s first ever bull elephant) arriving May 2025.
Just do it. You will probably not regret one bit.
I wonder if it's viewable from a public area or will be behind the scenes?
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That Aussie Guy
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One of the cubs? It would be nice to see them all exported to allow Adelaide Zoo to focus on enclosures for a new big cat (Sri Lankan leopard??) as opposed to having to cater for 5 adult tigers
It’ll be either:
1.0 Kembali (16/11/2014) Oz x Sali
1.0 Ketambe (21/12/2022) Kembali x Delilah
Ketambe is indeed the obvious choice - 22 months old and the grandson of Kaitlyn (founder imported from Indonesia). Aside from the two tigers being sent from Taronga Zoo, Kaitlyn’s line is unrepresented in North America.
Adelaide Zoo will presumably hold the three remaining females (Delilah and her two daughters) in a grouping for as long as they can; but long term, may look at transferring the two female cubs out. The proposed third Sumatran tiger exhibit will be a way off. I too would have preferred to have seen them acquire Sri Lankan leopard as was the original plan.
The intended mate - Leeloo, is thirteen years old, so it seems this is a last ditch attempt to get offspring from her. With that in mind, I wonder whether the male that will be sent across will be Kembali.
He's of age where he can be introduced and breed immediately; compared to his younger, inexperienced son, Ketambe. Additionally, I personally think it's unlikely he will receive a breeding recommendation with Delilah again, and so with his nieces recently being born at Hamilton, he ultimately has less value within the region.
That’s a very good point considering Leeloo’s age. It’ll be another 12 months until Ketambe is of reproductive age and Leeloo will be 14.5 years by then.
That said, North America have paired tigresses as old as 15 years for breeding. Given Leeloo last bred in September 2023, she stands a better chance of conceiving at 14-15 years than a nulliparous female of that age; and they may have her daughter (nine months younger than Ketambe) in mind as a back up should she not conceive.
It’s such a tough one to call! Ketambe (as the only male) was the one from this litter I picked from early on to be dispersed alone (versus his sisters, who could remain together as a non-breeding pair); but considering their New Zealand counterparts (first cousins) are 0.2, Ketmabe is the only male from this cohort and could have value within the region. In any case, both regions have longer to work with this young male (effectively up to 18 years depending on his lifespan) than his sisters/female cousins, which is always an asset in these breeding programmes - Shiva and Selatan’s sons being a prime example of this.
Interesting times, considering we have essentially the same match in two zoos within the region. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kimball exported. Especially if we keep three of his cubs in the region. For the mean time it would make the groupings at Adelaide easier to accomodate.
I imagine there was impetus on breeding from Kembali (2014) and Kirana (2014) as they’re the offspring of the founder Oz (2004). Oz sired 2.1 cubs previously in 2008, but the female and one of the males were never paired; and the other male failed to breed with his intended mate.
We can also bear in mind that Kembali was originally intended to breed with Rahni (2007). She was the offspring of two founders and a genetically valuable female. It’s a real shame neither she or her sisters bred.
Adelaide’s male cub, Ketambe, will require seperation from the females within the next few months if he’s to remain at Adelaide, so groupings wise, it makes little difference if he or his father is exported.
Unless they try a taronga and keep him in with his mother, while she is contracepted.
It would be nice to see them move the females into either breeding zoos or into some of the smaller private zoos that want to have them. It's not like there isnt zoos they could place them in locally.
In the short term, it makes the most sense for Adelaide to keep Delilah, Marni and Susu together in one exhibit; and have the male that remains at Adelaide in the other.
Long term, Adelaide could transfer out either the male; or the three females and go from there with regards to forming a new breeding pair. One of many options could be to send Delilah to Auckland to pair with Ramah; while if her son was to become Adelaide’s new breeding male, I’d anticipate his sisters would be designated non-breeding.
It was indeed a real shame to see Ballarat Wildlife Park and Sydney Zoo replace their Sumatran tigers with generics.
Unless the coordinator wakes up to themselves, we are going to see a resurgence of generic/bengal tigers. Private zoos arnt going to wait forever not for one of the arguably easiest cats to get. A tiger is a tiger, whether that's a sumatran or a bengal. If they dont disperse sumatrans then we will see an influx of bengals.
I dont think it's a shame that they lost spaces, its strait up poor species management and zoos doing what they need to obtain a species and fill an exhibit. All tigers are endangered, and the public arnt fussed with what tiger they see. You have a coordinated species breeding program hoarding tigers at certain zoos while others age out and die. Then they are not dispersing young tigers. There is no excuse for it.
Well said
Closing of Giant panda complex as pandas prepare to return to China:
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...k=ac23dcb90c2349f63428c208310601ca-1731467694
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...k=ac23dcb90c2349f63428c208310601ca-1731467694
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Pandas fly out tomorrow, Friday 15th
Pandas will fly out tomorrow on a Textel 737 back to mainland China. Slightly delayed due to the volcanic ash cloud in Bali.
Today there is a ceremony for the pandas with Chinese diplomat's.
The new pandas are expected to arrive between 10th-20th December.
Meanwhile, a team of horticulturalists and gardeners will overhaul the panda exhibit, plant lots of new grasses, ferns and other plants to make the exhibit as perfect as possible.
When the new pandas arrive it’s expected there will be another buddhist prayer and blessing ceremony with Chinese government and community dignitaries and guests.
So basically, the panda exhibit won’t be empty for long.
Pandas will fly out tomorrow on a Textel 737 back to mainland China. Slightly delayed due to the volcanic ash cloud in Bali.
Today there is a ceremony for the pandas with Chinese diplomat's.
The new pandas are expected to arrive between 10th-20th December.
Meanwhile, a team of horticulturalists and gardeners will overhaul the panda exhibit, plant lots of new grasses, ferns and other plants to make the exhibit as perfect as possible.
When the new pandas arrive it’s expected there will be another buddhist prayer and blessing ceremony with Chinese government and community dignitaries and guests.
So basically, the panda exhibit won’t be empty for long.
Farewell to Australasia’s second pair of Giant pandas; with the first being a pre-reproductive pair on short term loan/tour of Melbourne/Sydney/Auckland:
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Xiao Xiao and Fei Fei (1988-1989):
1.0 Xiao Xiao (1984)
Arrived at Melbourne Zoo March 1988
Sent to Taronga Zoo July 1988
Sent to Auckland Zoo October 1988
Returned to China January 1989
0.1 Fei Fei (1985)
Arrived at Melbourne Zoo March 1988
Sent to Taronga Zoo July 1988
Sent to Auckland Zoo October 1988
Returned to China January 1989
Wang Wang and Funi (2009-2024):
1.0 Wang Wang (2005)
Arrived at Adelaide Zoo November 2009
Returned to China November 2024
0.1 Funi (2006)
Arrived at Adelaide Zoo November 2009
Returned to China November 2024
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Hopefully Adelaide’s next pair (scheduled to arrive before Christmas) will have better luck breeding.