Zoo/Aquarium Hot Takes

This may already be "in thread", but binturongs are boring as all get out and make terrible zoo animals. They are hardly ever awake and their only redeeming quality is the popcorn smell, but even that in a confided space or "house" is overwhelming.
I for one find binturongs to be fascinating and I feel like a good zoo animal shouldn't be defined by how much they sleep. Maybe base that on if it's possible to see them at all. For example moles and ground caecilians, wouldn't because of the dirt it would be impossible.
 
This may already be "in thread", but binturongs are boring as all get out and make terrible zoo animals. They are hardly ever awake and their only redeeming quality is the popcorn smell, but even that in a confided space or "house" is overwhelming.

Horses for courses or Binturong for courses I guess. I love them. They are they are engaging, their youngsters are fun and their climbing antics are great. The smell is is a super talking point for visitors and I often observe genuine 'wows' from people who see them.
 
I for one find binturongs to be fascinating and I feel like a good zoo animal shouldn't be defined by how much they sleep. Maybe base that on if it's possible to see them at all. For example moles and ground caecilians, wouldn't because of the dirt it would be impossible.
Horses for courses or Binturong for courses I guess. I love them. They are they are engaging, their youngsters are fun and their climbing antics are great. The smell is is a super talking point for visitors and I often observe genuine 'wows' from people who see them.

Hey, to each their own :)

Valid about being able to "see" the animal, but if I am just looking at some curled up hair on a high ledge, like binturongs tend to be, I don't really count it as seeing the animal. It is the rare zoo that I have actually seen the binturong, other than semi-sketchy non-AZA zoos like Rainforest Adventures. I have only seen them *once* at ZooTampa, and it was sleepy, simply raising its head and then putting it back down.

I have never seen young ones, maybe that is my issue :)
 
Hey, to each their own :)

Valid about being able to "see" the animal, but if I am just looking at some curled up hair on a high ledge, like binturongs tend to be, I don't really count it as seeing the animal. It is the rare zoo that I have actually seen the binturong, other than semi-sketchy non-AZA zoos like Rainforest Adventures. I have only seen them *once* at ZooTampa, and it was sleepy, simply raising its head and then putting it back down.

I have never seen young ones, maybe that is my issue :)

Maybe I am spoiled by having seen great examples at Cotswold, Hamerton, Colchester etc. The Cotswold group in particular have produced a few young ones who are now at other collections hopefully to have their own and they are great to watch tumbling about the enclosure and hanging upside down from the roof tangled up in a play fight.
 
Maybe I am spoiled by having seen great examples at Cotswold, Hamerton, Colchester etc. The Cotswold group in particular have produced a few young ones who are now at other collections hopefully to have their own and they are great to watch tumbling about the enclosure and hanging upside down from the roof tangled up in a play fight.
I have always loved binturongs - cute, large and bizarre mammals, that terrified me when I first saw them at Longleat as a very young child, and I have had a soft spot for them ever since. But it was my encounter at Cotswold too which truly showed me how exciting they can be. As you mention, watching five of them hang from a roof, fight, leap and even sprint was amazing. Another thing I love about them is the subspecific variation. The Indochinese at Exmoor (a rarity outside of their native range), for example, are huge and with shaggy fur, seeming almost more like a sloth bear than a civet. Compare them to the smaller, lighter and more fuzzy Palawans, for example.
 
This may already be "in thread", but binturongs are boring as all get out and make terrible zoo animals. They are hardly ever awake and their only redeeming quality is the popcorn smell, but even that in a confided space or "house" is overwhelming.
They are basically red pandas, as in Asian arboreal furball that loves to snooze, but from the tropics and not as marketable since they aren’t pandas. I still think they are cooler than red pandas though.
 
This may already be "in thread", but binturongs are boring as all get out and make terrible zoo animals. They are hardly ever awake and their only redeeming quality is the popcorn smell, but even that in a confided space or "house" is overwhelming.
@SwampDonkey -- I think you've had bad luck with binturongs. The trick to seeing them active is to go late in the afternoon, especially this time of year after the time change when it's getting dusk as the zoo closes. I just saw an active binturong at the Santa Ana Zoo last month around 4:30 PM and at a similar time last year at the Los Angeles Zoo in November when it was almost dark. They are really neat animals to watch when they're walking around and climbing on branches with their tails curled up. However, I've never smelled the popcorn odor at either zoo.
 
This may already be "in thread", but binturongs are boring as all get out and make terrible zoo animals. They are hardly ever awake and their only redeeming quality is the popcorn smell, but even that in a confided space or "house" is overwhelming.
Surprisingly, I actually like this take. I have seen binturongs active only once awake(from memory) and that was at Zoo Atlanta with the 2 babies going out and exploring. I may have also seen them at Detroit awake too. They remind me a lot of aardvarks, beavers and all the other no shows at various zoos. They only do well with indoor viewing or a night habitat for example, Omaha you see both beavers and aardvarks active and at Cincy the binturong was as active as a wolverine!
 
This may already be "in thread", but binturongs are boring as all get out and make terrible zoo animals. They are hardly ever awake and their only redeeming quality is the popcorn smell, but even that in a confided space or "house" is overwhelming.
Honestly any zoo animal could be easily classified as boring if you haven't had an engaging experience with them. I for example was pretty meh on Koalas for years until I was lucky enough to experience a keeper bringing them fresh eucalyptus (needless to say they were up very fast). There are tons of animals that I feel could be engaging to watch but oftentimes I just go at the wrong time of day.
 
LOL, I love how this actually turned out to be a "hot take"! It's great that we can all have different opinions about these things, in the end they are just opinions, really.

They are basically red pandas, as in Asian arboreal furball that loves to snooze, but from the tropics and not as marketable since they aren’t pandas. I still think they are cooler than red pandas though.

Apt comparison, although I like red pandas much better, at least when they are asleep they are colorful. :)

@SwampDonkey -- I think you've had bad luck with binturongs. The trick to seeing them active is to go late in the afternoon, especially this time of year after the time change when it's getting dusk as the zoo closes. I just saw an active binturong at the Santa Ana Zoo last month around 4:30 PM and at a similar time last year at the Los Angeles Zoo in November when it was almost dark. They are really neat animals to watch when they're walking around and climbing on branches with their tails curled up. However, I've never smelled the popcorn odor at either zoo.
I want to think that it is bad luck, maybe the time thing is correct. I just have seen their enclosures at a lot of zoos (or it feels like a lot) and I rarely have seen them up and about. Even if they were up....I am not sure that I would really "care" about them that much, I just don't find them *that* interesting.
Surprisingly, I actually like this take. I have seen binturongs active only once awake(from memory) and that was at Zoo Atlanta with the 2 babies going out and exploring. I may have also seen them at Detroit awake too. They remind me a lot of aardvarks, beavers and all the other no shows at various zoos. They only do well with indoor viewing or a night habitat for example, Omaha you see both beavers and aardvarks active and at Cincy the binturong was as active as a wolverine!
I imagine you are correct, perhaps in a night environment they would be more interesting.
Honestly any zoo animal could be easily classified as boring if you haven't had an engaging experience with them. I for example was pretty meh on Koalas for years until I was lucky enough to experience a keeper bringing them fresh eucalyptus (needless to say they were up very fast). There are tons of animals that I feel could be engaging to watch but oftentimes I just go at the wrong time of day.

Absolutely, but any largely nocturnal animal kept in diurnal environments is going to be less exciting since they will likely be asleep. You are right about koala, unless they happen to be eating they are pretty boring, but IMO at least they are cute.
 
I like binturongs too.

Just anecdotal, but my experience has been that they tend to be more active if it has been raining.
 
I have a lot of opinions that I think are different from what most zoochatters think, so I thought it might be interesting to share them here:
  • I do not like heavily-themed animal exhibits. I find it goes in the way of simply observing the animals. I prefer a design that focuses on the animals themselves rather than the theming. Japanese zoos in particular tend to have this approach and I really like it.
  • In the same vein, I'm not fond of geographical zones. It works well in some cases but often times it is too constricted and it doesn't articulate well with the other, regular exhibits. Also, there tends to be a single designated pathway. I prefer being able to wander freely, and I think most zoo visitors do too.
  • Glass panels are being used too much nowadays. They reflect the sun, often rendering it difficult to observe the inside of the exhibit. They collect mud. And they sort of create this 'distance' with the animal... not sure how to explain it. I will often prefer looking at the animal through wires. Overall I'm not saying glass panels should be phased out, just that they should be used more cautiously, with more attention given to practical aspects.
And now my most controversial ones...
  • Zoos don't have to be involved in conservation efforts. A zoo's fundamental purpose is to display animals, and that's more than enough. If a zoo wants to get involved in conservation efforts, that's great, but it's not an obligation and it shouldn't be considered a 'mission'... it's fine for zoos to just be a place where people go to see animals, without a greater purpose.
  • It's also fine to collect animals directly from the wild, as long as it is done in a sustainable way.
Bonus: Ringtail lemurs are awesome, I will never get tired of them. Lemurs as a whole are one of my favorite animals. Meerkats I will pass. Binturongs are nice, I find it cute that they eat fruits despite being carnivores.
 
I have a lot of opinions that I think are different from what most zoochatters think, so I thought it might be interesting to share them here:
  • I do not like heavily-themed animal exhibits. I find it goes in the way of simply observing the animals. I prefer a design that focuses on the animals themselves rather than the theming. Japanese zoos in particular tend to have this approach and I really like it.
  • In the same vein, I'm not fond of geographical zones. It works well in some cases but often times it is too constricted and it doesn't articulate well with the other, regular exhibits. Also, there tends to be a single designated pathway. I prefer being able to wander freely, and I think most zoo visitors do too.
  • Glass panels are being used too much nowadays. They reflect the sun, often rendering it difficult to observe the inside of the exhibit. They collect mud. And they sort of create this 'distance' with the animal... not sure how to explain it. I will often prefer looking at the animal through wires. Overall I'm not saying glass panels should be phased out, just that they should be used more cautiously, with more attention given to practical aspects.
And now my most controversial ones...
  • Zoos don't have to be involved in conservation efforts. A zoo's fundamental purpose is to display animals, and that's more than enough. If a zoo wants to get involved in conservation efforts, that's great, but it's not an obligation and it shouldn't be considered a 'mission'... it's fine for zoos to just be a place where people go to see animals, without a greater purpose.
  • It's also fine to collect animals directly from the wild, as long as it is done in a sustainable way.
Bonus: Ringtail lemurs are awesome, I will never get tired of them. Lemurs as a whole are one of my favorite animals. Meerkats I will pass. Binturongs are nice, I find it cute that they eat fruits despite being carnivores.

Zoos without a conservation aim or purpose and collecting animals from the wild doesn't support animals or nature in the wider context and as a result I disagree that it's ok to collect animals and display them for the sake of it with no conservation or even educational purpose.

I think it can be argued zoos have many purposes and displaying animals is just one of them.

I would hope we've moved beyond the pure collect and display era in zoo practice and surely we should be getting to a place where everything in the world isn't just about what humans can assemble for their own entertainment. Animals are not stamps.

I tend to agree on the point on glass, it's often more restrictive in viewing terms as it creates crowds and it can be dirty and hard to see through, though it's intention is to let you get 'closer'.
 
I have a lot of opinions that I think are different from what most zoochatters think, so I thought it might be interesting to share them here:
  • I do not like heavily-themed animal exhibits. I find it goes in the way of simply observing the animals. I prefer a design that focuses on the animals themselves rather than the theming. Japanese zoos in particular tend to have this approach and I really like it.
  • In the same vein, I'm not fond of geographical zones. It works well in some cases but often times it is too constricted and it doesn't articulate well with the other, regular exhibits. Also, there tends to be a single designated pathway. I prefer being able to wander freely, and I think most zoo visitors do too.
  • Glass panels are being used too much nowadays. They reflect the sun, often rendering it difficult to observe the inside of the exhibit. They collect mud. And they sort of create this 'distance' with the animal... not sure how to explain it. I will often prefer looking at the animal through wires. Overall I'm not saying glass panels should be phased out, just that they should be used more cautiously, with more attention given to practical aspects.
And now my most controversial ones...
  • Zoos don't have to be involved in conservation efforts. A zoo's fundamental purpose is to display animals, and that's more than enough. If a zoo wants to get involved in conservation efforts, that's great, but it's not an obligation and it shouldn't be considered a 'mission'... it's fine for zoos to just be a place where people go to see animals, without a greater purpose.
  • It's also fine to collect animals directly from the wild, as long as it is done in a sustainable way.
Bonus: Ringtail lemurs are awesome, I will never get tired of them. Lemurs as a whole are one of my favorite animals. Meerkats I will pass. Binturongs are nice, I find it cute that they eat fruits despite being carnivores.
I think your dislike for heavy theming is one shared by most on this site, although I am not sure how non-enthusiasts feel about it. For me, it relies on whether it feels lousy or clever. When cheap materials and needlessly bold colours are used, or when obnoxiously loud music or sound effects makes it all but impossible to admire the animals, I despise it. But when it is clear that a great deal of effort and thought has been put into having theming that enhances the immersion, without detracting from it, especially when it links to in situ conservation efforts supported by the zoo, and manages to avoid overly buying into cultural stereotypes, I love it and think it makes for a very interesting change of scenery.

And I thoroughly agree with your take about the Ring-tailed Lemurs and about glass. Being able to hear and smell the animal allows you to feel their presence in a way that glass will never permit - birds in particular behind glass is thoroughly depressing and I much prefer wire. That said, I too struggle to support your conservation take.
 
Theming can be so lazy too - sub-Saharan 'African' village with a crashed safari truck, ruined 'Asian' temple, ruined 'Meso-American' temple, etc. There's a good line in the new German Zoo book by John Tuson where he engages in a little thought experiment about how strange we Europeans would find zoo exhibits displaying European species if they were all themed as Bavarian beer halls.
 
Zoos without a conservation aim or purpose and collecting animals from the wild doesn't support animals or nature in the wider context and as a result I disagree that it's ok to collect animals and display them for the sake of it with no conservation or even educational purpose.

I think it can be argued zoos have many purposes and displaying animals is just one of them.

I would hope we've moved beyond the pure collect and display era in zoo practice and surely we should be getting to a place where everything in the world isn't just about what humans can assemble for their own entertainment. Animals are not stamps.

I tend to agree on the point on glass, it's often more restrictive in viewing terms as it creates crowds and it can be dirty and hard to see through, though it's intention is to let you get 'closer'.
Do you disapprove of privately owned animals being wild-caught?
 
Zoos don't have to be involved in conservation efforts. A zoo's fundamental purpose is to display animals, and that's more than enough. If a zoo wants to get involved in conservation efforts, that's great, but it's not an obligation and it shouldn't be considered a 'mission'... it's fine for zoos to just be a place where people go to see animals, without a greater purpose.

Yes but also no.

I agree because I feel like this idea that zoos need to justify themselves either puts a great pressure on the zoo or could result in greenwashing. It’s not like critics of zoos nor the average joe who is preoccupied with their problems and interests will care about the work zoos do. If I was building a zoo from ground up it’s because I like animals, not because I want to be some conservation hero and have this need to justify keeping animals (that’s not to say I wouldn’t raise funds to help support conservation projects). As long as a zoo is giving good care for its animals I don’t think a zoo should pressure itself to justify its existence.

On the other hand, many zoos that exist without a noble purpose do tend to be straight up bad. I can give many examples which I have seen in person and on the internet. When the goal is to just show animals, such facilities will do the bare minimum to display their animals. They will just build an enclosure which the guests can see the animal even if the animal is deprived of privacy or opportunities to display natural behavior. Another question is, if the owner/manager of the place is running the zoo from a passion towards animals then why not help animals outside the zoo?

It's also fine to collect animals directly from the wild, as long as it is done in a sustainable way.

Yup, can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Question is, how does one determine if animals are collected sustainably?
 
I do not like heavily-themed animal exhibits. I find it goes in the way of simply observing the animals. I prefer a design that focuses on the animals themselves rather than the theming. Japanese zoos in particular tend to have this approach and I really like it.
Even as someone who really enjoys themed exhibits, I definitely think that in a lot of zoos it is done in excess and it takes away from the actual exhibit space. Zoos should maximize practicality over aesthetic, and it is a real shame there aren't a ton of facilities that can balence both. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Disney's Animal Kingdom exhibits.

Glass panels are being used too much nowadays. They reflect the sun, often rendering it difficult to observe the inside of the exhibit. They collect mud. And they sort of create this 'distance' with the animal... not sure how to explain it. I will often prefer looking at the animal through wires. Overall I'm not saying glass panels should be phased out, just that they should be used more cautiously, with more attention given to practical aspects.
I see your wires and raise you moats. While definitely seen as old fashioned to a lot of people, I think moated exhibits really eliminate the feeling of a barrier. Im a photographer as well so I'll take a good moat over a smudged glass barrier or wires/mesh any day.
 
I see your wires and raise you moats. While definitely seen as old fashioned to a lot of people, I think moated exhibits really eliminate the feeling of a barrier. Im a photographer as well so I'll take a good moat over a smudged glass barrier or wires/mesh any day.
I agree that moats are often better than either glass or wires, especially for photography. I like exhibits that incorporate several different viewing areas (some with glass, open air, etc.) to give visitors more opportunities to see the animals in various ways.
And now my most controversial ones...
  • Zoos don't have to be involved in conservation efforts. A zoo's fundamental purpose is to display animals, and that's more than enough. If a zoo wants to get involved in conservation efforts, that's great, but it's not an obligation and it shouldn't be considered a 'mission'... it's fine for zoos to just be a place where people go to see animals, without a greater purpose.
I think conservation efforts by zoos are admirable, but they should not be done to the detriment of the zoo itself. For the past several years, I've watched my home zoo in Los Angeles raise a great deal of money for conservation in other parts of the world while its own facilities and animal collection have suffered. The zoo has lost many species (animals have passed away and not been replaced), construction projects have closed off large areas of the zoo for over a year and have seemingly stalled, the Children's Zoo has been left to rot, the carousel is closed, and probably at least 40% of the exhibits are empty. Meanwhile, the zoo continues to tout its conservation efforts with staff members traveling to many countries presumably with the money being raised. In my opinion, a zoo's first responsibility is to ensure the efficient operation of its own facilities (especially a city-owned and tax-payer funded zoo like Los Angeles). Then, by all means, the zoo should support and participate in conservation efforts.
 
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