North American African Elephant Population 2024

PSO said:
They have been trying to get the ladies impregnated for a while now, definitely not lack of effort. Some believe it's Sdud's, some the females. If it were my decision I'd switch him out. Change of scenery would do well for all
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I am truely amazed they have not yet. Seems like a win win on all fronts
 
Frankie_number_1_fan said:
They've been trying it for a little while now iirc since she'd been refusing breeding attempts from Tendaji
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But has the zoo said that themselves?

Frankie_number_1_fan said:
It seems there are several bull moves that should've occurred years ago within the NA population. Sdudla being just one of many.
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Again, there is a lot the public doesn’t know about the elephant population that may have already happened that we just don’t know about yet. The population of proven breeding bull elephants in the United States is rising. Tendaji being one of them, Callee being another recent one. And than someone on zoochat had said though I can’t remember who at the moment that Luna bred naturally which means one of Disneys bulls either Tsavo or Jabali bred with her. I am going to say now too, there is a facility who hasn’t disclosed yet and not about to be that person who does, who had a bull successfully breed naturally and impregnate multiple cows at this facility. And this bull is a first time father. In cases like this, people and I was this person too not that long ago are so impatient about these type of things when in reality most people just don’t have a clue about what’s going on, what’s happened or happening in terms of breeding, and the African elephant population in terms of reproduction is slowly changing. Probably not happening fast enough, but things have and continue to be turning around for the population.
 
John Marchwick said:
But has the zoo said that themselves?



Again, there is a lot the public doesn’t know about the elephant population that may have already happened that we just don’t know about yet. The population of proven breeding bull elephants in the United States is rising. Tendaji being one of them, Callee being another recent one. And than someone on zoochat had said though I can’t remember who at the moment that Luna bred naturally which means one of Disneys bulls either Tsavo or Jabali bred with her. I am going to say now too, there is a facility who hasn’t disclosed yet and not about to be that person who does, who had a bull successfully breed naturally and impregnate multiple cows at this facility. And this bull is a first time father. In cases like this, people and I was this person too not that long ago are so impatient about these type of things when in reality most people just don’t have a clue about what’s going on, what’s happened or happening in terms of breeding, and the African elephant population in terms of reproduction is slowly changing. Probably not happening fast enough, but things have and continue to be turning around for the population.
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I feel it is a very fair criticism to say that the number of bulls at breeding facilities is nowhere near where it should be and that certian moves/actions could've and arguably should've occured long ago. The consequences of that (loosing breeding cows, behaviorally non-breeding young bulls) are apparent. I additionally think you're taking a lighthearted jab at the program too seriously. I'm far from the largest elephant breeding critic. All the same, while of course changes are being made and it's obvious, but that doesn't erase the years of inaction and some of the continuous questionable management choices. Until those changes actually are in action and the program makes an actual turnaround, it is a reasonable critique to be made.
 
Frankie_number_1_fan said:
I feel it is a very fair criticism to say that the number of bulls at breeding facilities is nowhere near where it should be and that certian moves/actions could've and arguably should've occured long ago. The consequences of that (loosing breeding cows, behaviorally non-breeding young bulls) are apparent. I additionally think you're taking a lighthearted jab at the program too seriously. I'm far from the largest elephant breeding critic. All the same, while of course changes are being made and it's obvious, but that doesn't erase the years of inaction and some of the continuous questionable management choices. Until those changes actually are in action and the program makes an actual turnaround, it is a reasonable critique to be made.
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Genetically yes in cases like Victoria we have lost animals, but that doesn’t mean we’re losing more as a whole. Yes the population needs more elephants breeding, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t zoos that aren’t trying. As I just stated, there is a bull, who is a first time father, that successfully bred with multiple cows and that facility as of now I won’t disclose till they make it public. I’m saying there are changes in action. Callee for example, Sedgwick county zoo to the best of my knowledge brought him there not only to breed but to also be a mentor to Titan in terms of breeding and how to be a mature bull and I couldn’t think of anyone better to learn from frankly. And it is also apparent, that the AZA slowly is more and more moving away from the mismanagement that went on for decades and I just don’t see the point in perseverating on something that isn’t happening now currently.
 
John Marchwick said:
Genetically yes in cases like Victoria we have lost animals, but that doesn’t mean we’re losing more as a whole. Yes the population needs more elephants breeding, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t zoos that aren’t trying. As I just stated, there is a bull, who is a first time father, that successfully bred with multiple cows and that facility as of now I won’t disclose till they make it public. I’m saying there are changes in action. Callee for example, Sedgwick county zoo to the best of my knowledge brought him there not only to breed but to also be a mentor to Titan in terms of breeding and how to be a mature bull and I couldn’t think of anyone better to learn from frankly. And it is also apparent, that the AZA slowly is more and more moving away from the mismanagement that went on for decades and I just don’t see the point in perseverating on something that isn’t happening now currently.
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I never stated that there aren't changes in action, and no one is denying them. I merely stated that there are still issues that are worth discussing, and that will always be recurring on these forums. I understand that you feel the need to defend the SSP on this, but that isn't needed because myself and others who share this opinion don't come from a place of malice. It is simply observation of issues that have persisted for decades and continue to persist without evidence of change. I'm sure all of us here will/would be happy to eat our words in the event that things make a turnaround (and that is exactly my hope). This isn't the thread to be having some kind of debate, and nor do I think it is a debate that needs to be had. You simply do not share the desire to make critiques, and that's okay. However that doesn't mean that others can't engage in those discussions.
 
I agree due to the SSP being so inactive multiple bulls genetics have gone to waste or set to be extinct, even proven breeding bulls like Macho, Chico, Machito, and Rip where never given the opportunity to breed again, and bulls like Casey, and Dale never sired anymore more calves dispite the use of AI.
 
John Marchwick said:
But has the zoo said that themselves?



Again, there is a lot the public doesn’t know about the elephant population that may have already happened that we just don’t know about yet. The population of proven breeding bull elephants in the United States is rising. Tendaji being one of them, Callee being another recent one. And than someone on zoochat had said though I can’t remember who at the moment that Luna bred naturally which means one of Disneys bulls either Tsavo or Jabali bred with her. I am going to say now too, there is a facility who hasn’t disclosed yet and not about to be that person who does, who had a bull successfully breed naturally and impregnate multiple cows at this facility. And this bull is a first time father. In cases like this, people and I was this person too not that long ago are so impatient about these type of things when in reality most people just don’t have a clue about what’s going on, what’s happened or happening in terms of breeding, and the African elephant population in terms of reproduction is slowly changing. Probably not happening fast enough, but things have and continue to be turning around for the population.
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Circling back on this - there are only 3 facilities this could plausibly be, and I have a feeling I know which one it is. Whichever of the 3 that spring to mind it is - a massive deal for the population and that facility. Very exciting.
 
John Marchwick said:
The association of zoos and aquariums has confirmed there are currently 13 African Elephants pregnant in the United States.

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Interestingly it is also mentioned Titan has sired at least two confirmed calves via AI. One potentially being Kirkja and the other obviously having to be a female currently pregnant.

It was recently mentioned on this thread that Kianga at DAK was AI'd, and Titan was mentioned as a potential sample provider so he could be a chance there. Or perhaps another one of the unknown pregnant cows we're unaware of has also been AI'd.

On the note of the other pregnant cows, I also wouldn't be surprised if a few of the Safari Park's cows are also pregnant!;)
 
Jambo said:
Interestingly it is also mentioned Titan has sired at least two confirmed calves via AI. One potentially being Kirkja and the other obviously having to be a female currently pregnant.

It was recently mentioned on this thread that Kianga at DAK was AI'd, and Titan was mentioned as a potential sample provider so he could be a chance there. Or perhaps another one of the unknown pregnant cows we're unaware of has also been AI'd.

On the note of the other pregnant cows, I also wouldn't be surprised if a few of the Safari Park's cows are also pregnant!;)
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Titan is also the father of Jabari at the Indianapolis Zoo through AI.
Spike said:
As confirmed by a zoo employee the father of the baby elephant is Titan from the Sedgwick County Zoo.
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Luna has been confirmed to have miscarried as mentioned by @Yazziel in the speculation thread so this answers the question made about which of the seven pregnant cows has miscarried.
tigris115 said:
Does anyone know all 13 pregnant elephants?
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Nile Hippo Expert said:
The five Sedgwick girls and Luna and Kianga at Disney are the seven we are sure about, there are still six other cows pregnant who haven’t been confirmed yet.
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E Maximus said:
One of the girls you have mentioned here has miscarried so they are out of the running.
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In amazing news, however, this article does confirm that Disney does still have two pregnant cows, because only Luna and Kianga have been confirmed pregnant, so another one of their females is thus pregnant too!


Disney Food Blog on Instagram: "BABY ELEPHANT CORRA in Animal Kingdom just turned ONE YEAR OLD!!! 1️⃣ We’ll all enjoy a mini mango pie in your honor today, Corra! Head on over to ride Kilimanjaro Safari in Disney’s Animal Kingdom so you can catch a glimpse of Corra and wish her a happy birthday! Oh, and in case you need some more happy news, Animal Kingdom is expecting two MORE baby elephants in 2025‼️ Cuteness overload!!! "
 
Nile Hippo Expert said:
Luna has been confirmed to have miscarried as mentioned by @Yazziel in the speculation thread so this answers the question made about which of the seven pregnant cows has miscarried.






In amazing news, however, this article does confirm that Disney does still have two pregnant cows, because only Luna and Kianga have been confirmed pregnant, so another one of their females is thus pregnant too!


Disney Food Blog on Instagram: "BABY ELEPHANT CORRA in Animal Kingdom just turned ONE YEAR OLD!!! 1️⃣ We’ll all enjoy a mini mango pie in your honor today, Corra! Head on over to ride Kilimanjaro Safari in Disney’s Animal Kingdom so you can catch a glimpse of Corra and wish her a happy birthday! Oh, and in case you need some more happy news, Animal Kingdom is expecting two MORE baby elephants in 2025‼️ Cuteness overload!!! "
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It was speculated Luna had a miscarriage. No zoo confirmed what elephant did and all that was confirmed was from E Maximus when they stated “One of the girls you have mentioned here has miscarried so they are out of the running.” In a reply to Nile Hippo Expert when they stated the African Elephant elephants they knew of that were pregnant were the five Sedgwick girls, Luna and Kianga, and 6 others that haven’t been confirmed yet.

Disney themselves never publicly stated either one of their girls miscarried. Which the reason why some including myself that why I thought it was Luna was

1.) cause of this article that stated the Sedgwick County Zoos 5 African elephants were all pregnant, and than afterward E Maximus replied with that quote I shared above. On the Move

2.) there was some recent update before that regarding Kianga’s pregnancy and that was it occurred via AI according to a Disney cast member and how her pregnancy was progressing according to Yazziel

But for the record, it was never publicly confirmed by any zoo who was the African elephant miscarried.
 
John Marchwick said:
It was speculated Luna had a miscarriage. No zoo confirmed what elephant did and all that was confirmed was from E Maximus when they stated “One of the girls you have mentioned here has miscarried so they are out of the running.” In a reply to Nile Hippo Expert when they stated the African Elephant elephants they knew of that were pregnant were the five Sedgwick girls, Luna and Kianga, and 6 others that haven’t been confirmed yet.

Disney themselves never publicly stated either one of their girls miscarried. Which the reason why some including myself that why I thought it was Luna was

1.) cause of this article that stated the Sedgwick County Zoos 5 African elephants were all pregnant, and than afterward E Maximus replied with that quote I shared above. On the Move

2.) there was some recent update before that regarding Kianga’s pregnancy and that was it occurred via AI according to a Disney cast member and how her pregnancy was progressing according to Yazziel

But for the record, it was never publicly confirmed by any zoo who was the African elephant miscarried.
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Thank you, I was just about to say I never confirmed that it was Luna who miscarried just that it was speculated that it was her.
 
Therefore we can potentially assume Luna and Kianga are both still pregnant (based on the above post by DAK).

In the unlikely case Luna did miscarry, it would mean Donna is also pregnant (she's the only other viable cow).
 
Nile Hippo Expert said:
Luna has been confirmed to have miscarried as mentioned by @Yazziel in the speculation thread so this answers the question made about which of the seven pregnant cows has miscarried.






In amazing news, however, this article does confirm that Disney does still have two pregnant cows, because only Luna and Kianga have been confirmed pregnant, so another one of their females is thus pregnant too!


Disney Food Blog on Instagram: "BABY ELEPHANT CORRA in Animal Kingdom just turned ONE YEAR OLD!!! 1️⃣ We’ll all enjoy a mini mango pie in your honor today, Corra! Head on over to ride Kilimanjaro Safari in Disney’s Animal Kingdom so you can catch a glimpse of Corra and wish her a happy birthday! Oh, and in case you need some more happy news, Animal Kingdom is expecting two MORE baby elephants in 2025‼️ Cuteness overload!!! "
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FYI- Disney Food Blog is NOT an update from Disney themselves, but instead an influencer who covers WDW-related news. So do with this information as you will, but it may not be entirely up-to-date or as accurate as an announcement directly from Disney would be.
 
Neil chace said:
FYI- Disney Food Blog is NOT an update from Disney themselves, but instead an influencer who covers WDW-related news. So do with this information as you will, but it may not be entirely up-to-date or as accurate as an announcement directly from Disney would be.
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Exactly this! We should take the information from the blog with a tremendous grain of salt. DAK never even formally announced their pregnancies, just tidbits of information regarding pregnant cows in articles and then it was guests who picked up the rest. The Sedgwick cows were confirmed to still be pregnant, so it would have to be either Kianga or Luna who miscarried.
 
Frankie_number_1_fan said:
Exactly this! We should take the information from the blog with a tremendous grain of salt. DAK never even formally announced their pregnancies, just tidbits of information regarding pregnant cows in articles and then it was guests who picked up the rest. The Sedgwick cows were confirmed to still be pregnant, so it would have to be either Kianga or Luna who miscarried.
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That’s technically not correct. In a press statement they did state Luna was pregnant or at least one of their cast members did. That was something never picked up by guests unlike with Kianga. The Sedgwick County Zoo hasn’t posted any update regarding their elephants pregnant, they did about a month ago to promote their new expansion but this is not something the zoo has said themselves anytime recently.

maybe this is too harsh sounding, but this is something people are just going to have to wait and watch play out themselves.

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