Do you know what happened to the old male 'Cuko' ?
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Do you know what happened to the old male 'Cuko' ?
CindelP
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Hi everyone,
First of all let me introduce! I'm from Portugal, so please excuse any spelling mistakes.
I'm a big fan of Zoos (especially the care and management of wild species in captivity) and yes, I'm a fan of Lisbon Zoo (which was of course, the first zoo I visited).
While I'm a fan, I'm also aware that Lisbon Zoo is perphas one of the worst Big Zoos of Europe.
LisbonZoo (LZ) had and has everyting on his favor - the great clima (weather), the central localization and big funds (€€). The only big problem is that, has it's located in the centre of Lisbon - Sete Rios, it has no possibily of expanding. Yet, this should not be a major problem, has there are still lots of land un-used on the LZ.
Funding can also be a problem - yes, they recieve a lot, but I also believe that they spend a lot.
Plus, I believe LZ has a very nice animal collection (not only in number but also in species)
Anyway, this is no excuse. Untill recent years it was very embaracing to visit LZ - the primate cages were awfull (especially the Gorillas, Orang, Chimps ..) and the Feline area (snow leopard and clouded leopards in miserable cages and iberian lynxs in same situation!!!!).
On these last 3 years things got better - much better We now have the primate islands and the tiger temple.
Not perfect - not even close unfortunally - but finally I see some improvements!
Best regards
First of all let me introduce! I'm from Portugal, so please excuse any spelling mistakes.
I'm a big fan of Zoos (especially the care and management of wild species in captivity) and yes, I'm a fan of Lisbon Zoo (which was of course, the first zoo I visited).
While I'm a fan, I'm also aware that Lisbon Zoo is perphas one of the worst Big Zoos of Europe.
LisbonZoo (LZ) had and has everyting on his favor - the great clima (weather), the central localization and big funds (€€). The only big problem is that, has it's located in the centre of Lisbon - Sete Rios, it has no possibily of expanding. Yet, this should not be a major problem, has there are still lots of land un-used on the LZ.
Funding can also be a problem - yes, they recieve a lot, but I also believe that they spend a lot.
Plus, I believe LZ has a very nice animal collection (not only in number but also in species)
Anyway, this is no excuse. Untill recent years it was very embaracing to visit LZ - the primate cages were awfull (especially the Gorillas, Orang, Chimps ..) and the Feline area (snow leopard and clouded leopards in miserable cages and iberian lynxs in same situation!!!!).
On these last 3 years things got better - much better We now have the primate islands and the tiger temple.
Not perfect - not even close unfortunally - but finally I see some improvements!
Best regards
Iberian lynx ... at Zoologico de Lisboa? Are you serious?
Iberian lynx were only exempt to 1 Spanish zoo (Jerez de la Frontera) + the 2 operating captive breeding centers in central Spain.
What you are seeing is pure-bred northern lynx Lynx lynx lynx, I am afraid.
Iberian lynx were only exempt to 1 Spanish zoo (Jerez de la Frontera) + the 2 operating captive breeding centers in central Spain.
What you are seeing is pure-bred northern lynx Lynx lynx lynx, I am afraid.
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Yep, serious ... It was written on the mark.
They were placed on the old feline wall - those who remember it, next to the leopards, I believe.
This was about 4 years ago ... a year and a half later I visit it and I didnt saw the Lynx neither the leopards (o. And the cages had been a little modified - the central cage of the wall had by then wood substrat and tigers in it. The adjacent cages were empty. I have no idea of what happened on the lynx, but at the time I thought that they had been colect for indoors enclosure, as everything was starting to be re-built.
I also remeber that at somehow 4 years ago 6 Lynxs from Portugal (kept on small Zoos and private colections) were transfered to Spain, according to the update on "Projecto Lince", by LPN. Have no idea if any of these 6, were from LZ.
CindelP
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I think that their first intention was indeed the release in the wild. In fact almost all animals that go by recovery in Portugal are to be released back into the wild.
Anyway, I found a recent new in a popular portuguese newspapers , where Lisbon Zoo stating that Nazare is more likelly to be heading to SeaWorld in the USA or to a Japanase similar park, as the Zoo has no condition to keep such a big cetacean and Nazare is in no condition to be released.
To suport this theory, here is the California SeaWorld letter for authorization, dated from October 2008
Any info on the hot off the press transfer of the 2 female Indian rhinos from Zoo Dvur Kralove to Zoologico de Lisboa? The elder cow is now considered post reproductive, but the younger cow (born 1997) is in prime breeding age ....!!!
The zoo already has a pair who have been breeding and producing calves, yet non surviving to date .....
Any storyline here?
The zoo already has a pair who have been breeding and producing calves, yet non surviving to date .....
Any storyline here?
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Hi all,
Been to the Zoo today and I would like to post a review, in order to update my older review.
Well, there has been some time (too much time!) from my last visit, so I decided to have a look today.
Not the best day - Sunday and very hot, but still ... Arrived there at 11am (Zoo opens, on Winter, from 10am to 18pm) and got the oportunity to take two tours to the Zoo.
I took some photos, that I will post later on the gallery if anyone wants.
There're plenty of visitants today but as they quickly pass by any exibitations, that's not a problem.
About the Zoo,
- extremelly clean! I was impressed of how clean it was! Not only on the guest walks but also and mainly on the enclosures.
- there were few exibitions closed - some reptiles and the up-hill part (where they keep some hoofstock and the iberian wolfs) is closed. Not sure of what is going on there!
- overall enclosures were good and some very good. I didnt saw any stressing animals and almost all of them looked very healthy and pleased.
- LZ has reduced, as I see it, many species. For example from Bears they now only have Brown bears (3) and have no canids (exception for the Iberian Wolfs).
- there were plenty of babies and lots of pregnant mothers.
- they seen t have found a not-so-expensive way of making enclosures, using "fences". Not iron-fences but that kind of fences that you use for chickens and so on (bigger and stronger, of course!). Dont know the name in english sorry. All of the cats (leopars, ocelots, snow-leopards, jaguars and tigers) are on these kind of fences. It's not very pretty and the enclosures were not bigggg , but they're OK and much better than the old ones. The Tiger Temple is nice, holding two species: Siberians (2 adults and 2 cubs) and Sumatran (2 adults). Around the Zoo we could see another enclosure with White bengals (2).
Still on the cats, they built on a hard area (starting uphill, behing the bears) a Cat-Area. It's holding Ocelots (at least 2 - very nice and healthy!), two northern lynx, two enclosures with jaguars (each one with two : one spotted and one black), two snow-leopards and a enclosure with 5 (or 7) african leopars - too small for so many animals IMO. All of these enclosures where in natural terrain with dirt and trees. In the middle there were the indoor enclosure - looking very nice. A little below, on the old tiger cage we could find pumas.
- The old bear area was all merged and now is only one enclosure with 3 brown bears.
- The elefant area is now diferent also. The old is now used to keep the bull and a youngster and the asiatic enclosur was merged with the polar-bear exibit and now holds the rest of the african elefant are (2 adults and 2 youngsters).
- the girafes, a pur bred herd of Angolan giraffe is now up to 11 (or was it 9?) members, with two adult males, some adults females and some youngsters.
- on the begin of the zoo there were, as always, some nice exibit of hoofstock (my favourit animals) such as bongos, black-face impala, american bisons, african bufallos, cimitar orix, austral-orix and some more. All in big groups.
- a very nice colection of lemurs (6 or 7 species) and very activs).
- on the monkeys: they enlarged some of the old cages but making them come 1.5meter on front and on natural terrain. A nice colection to watch, i've to say. We could also find some islands with gibbons and a lovelly colony of 5 spider-monkeys. Not very big islands, still.
- also a very nice collection on natural row of marmosets and small monkeys. Very active. Some of the row were closed.
- after the bears there were a nice group of Addax and Mufflons.
- the colony of flamings were great
- the koalas, as always, the two sleeping but looking very pleased.
- the anteader-eater (Myrmecophaga tridactyla) looked very nice .
- uphill, the only enclosure that we could see was of some hoofstock: black and sable antelopes, elands, tapirs (one pair and a mother and a yearling).
- the babbons and the japanase macaques are still on their old concrete cages
- a good colection of birds and hornbills and a very nice collection of lemurs specieis.
- the big are looking great. one big enclosure with lowland gorillas (one adult male, two adult female and I think a young male); a big group of chimps and two islands (joined) for sumatran oragutans (3 adults and a baby baby).
- the white rinos also have a new bigger place and it's up to 2.2 , all adults
- the hippos are on the same, but looknig nice. Two adults and a baby and on youngster apart.
- the indian rino, I could only see two and they're separate. I will post pics.
- they're cleaning the pigmy hippo enclosure but the two animals there were also looking very nice, even thought it's a weird enclosure
- s always a big group of Lions (11)
- the Okapi was very friendly and there was only one and it looked like (at least to me) a pregnant female! But I thought that LZ only had two male okapis?
Well, off to eat something. ...
Been to the Zoo today and I would like to post a review, in order to update my older review.
Well, there has been some time (too much time!) from my last visit, so I decided to have a look today.
Not the best day - Sunday and very hot, but still ... Arrived there at 11am (Zoo opens, on Winter, from 10am to 18pm) and got the oportunity to take two tours to the Zoo.
I took some photos, that I will post later on the gallery if anyone wants.
There're plenty of visitants today but as they quickly pass by any exibitations, that's not a problem.
About the Zoo,
- extremelly clean! I was impressed of how clean it was! Not only on the guest walks but also and mainly on the enclosures.
- there were few exibitions closed - some reptiles and the up-hill part (where they keep some hoofstock and the iberian wolfs) is closed. Not sure of what is going on there!
- overall enclosures were good and some very good. I didnt saw any stressing animals and almost all of them looked very healthy and pleased.
- LZ has reduced, as I see it, many species. For example from Bears they now only have Brown bears (3) and have no canids (exception for the Iberian Wolfs).
- there were plenty of babies and lots of pregnant mothers.
- they seen t have found a not-so-expensive way of making enclosures, using "fences". Not iron-fences but that kind of fences that you use for chickens and so on (bigger and stronger, of course!). Dont know the name in english sorry. All of the cats (leopars, ocelots, snow-leopards, jaguars and tigers) are on these kind of fences. It's not very pretty and the enclosures were not bigggg , but they're OK and much better than the old ones. The Tiger Temple is nice, holding two species: Siberians (2 adults and 2 cubs) and Sumatran (2 adults). Around the Zoo we could see another enclosure with White bengals (2).
Still on the cats, they built on a hard area (starting uphill, behing the bears) a Cat-Area. It's holding Ocelots (at least 2 - very nice and healthy!), two northern lynx, two enclosures with jaguars (each one with two : one spotted and one black), two snow-leopards and a enclosure with 5 (or 7) african leopars - too small for so many animals IMO. All of these enclosures where in natural terrain with dirt and trees. In the middle there were the indoor enclosure - looking very nice. A little below, on the old tiger cage we could find pumas.
- The old bear area was all merged and now is only one enclosure with 3 brown bears.
- The elefant area is now diferent also. The old is now used to keep the bull and a youngster and the asiatic enclosur was merged with the polar-bear exibit and now holds the rest of the african elefant are (2 adults and 2 youngsters).
- the girafes, a pur bred herd of Angolan giraffe is now up to 11 (or was it 9?) members, with two adult males, some adults females and some youngsters.
- on the begin of the zoo there were, as always, some nice exibit of hoofstock (my favourit animals) such as bongos, black-face impala, american bisons, african bufallos, cimitar orix, austral-orix and some more. All in big groups.
- a very nice colection of lemurs (6 or 7 species) and very activs).
- on the monkeys: they enlarged some of the old cages but making them come 1.5meter on front and on natural terrain. A nice colection to watch, i've to say. We could also find some islands with gibbons and a lovelly colony of 5 spider-monkeys. Not very big islands, still.
- also a very nice collection on natural row of marmosets and small monkeys. Very active. Some of the row were closed.
- after the bears there were a nice group of Addax and Mufflons.
- the colony of flamings were great
- the koalas, as always, the two sleeping but looking very pleased.
- the anteader-eater (Myrmecophaga tridactyla) looked very nice .
- uphill, the only enclosure that we could see was of some hoofstock: black and sable antelopes, elands, tapirs (one pair and a mother and a yearling).
- the babbons and the japanase macaques are still on their old concrete cages
- a good colection of birds and hornbills and a very nice collection of lemurs specieis.
- the big are looking great. one big enclosure with lowland gorillas (one adult male, two adult female and I think a young male); a big group of chimps and two islands (joined) for sumatran oragutans (3 adults and a baby baby).
- the white rinos also have a new bigger place and it's up to 2.2 , all adults
- the hippos are on the same, but looknig nice. Two adults and a baby and on youngster apart.
- the indian rino, I could only see two and they're separate. I will post pics.
- they're cleaning the pigmy hippo enclosure but the two animals there were also looking very nice, even thought it's a weird enclosure
- s always a big group of Lions (11)
- the Okapi was very friendly and there was only one and it looked like (at least to me) a pregnant female! But I thought that LZ only had two male okapis?
Well, off to eat something. ...
Wow, thanks so much CindelP. I`m very interested in Lisbon Zoo but it`s rather difficult to follow what`s happening there because there isn`t much about news on their website. Great that we now have a local zoochat spy, LOL!
Some comments/questions:
- LZ had 3 okapi, 2 young males who were joined by a young female. But 2 of them (I think it were the 2 males) died some time ago (in 2008? not sure), so unless another had already arrived, there should be just one. I very much hope it is really the female who did survive and if she got pregnant before the males died, that would be wonderful news.
- A young male gorilla arrived a few weeks ago, Nasibu from Kolmarden. We were speculating here if that meant taht the old (non-breeding) silverback had passed away, but from your pic, it doesn`t look like that, because the male seems much older then Nasibu. Pertinay maybe you could have a look?
- The orang utan baby is around 4 years old now, her name is Harta and she came together with mother Janina from Hagenbeck in 2007.
- Great to hear that the angolan giraffes continue to breed, I hope one of the males will be sent to Dortmund Zoo soon, because their breeding male died a year or two ago. They have 2 male calves so one of them could become a future breeder for Lisboa.
- A question about the elephants - do you have pictures of the renovated enclosures and/or the animals? There should be 3 adult females and 2 female calves, I guess it was the smallest of the adult females with the bull? The oldest calf, a bull from 2004, died from brain cancer some time ago.
- Do you know which species of monkeys and lemurs are kept in Lisboa? And which groups are breeding?
Thanks so much and I look very forward to see your pics!
Some comments/questions:
- LZ had 3 okapi, 2 young males who were joined by a young female. But 2 of them (I think it were the 2 males) died some time ago (in 2008? not sure), so unless another had already arrived, there should be just one. I very much hope it is really the female who did survive and if she got pregnant before the males died, that would be wonderful news.
- A young male gorilla arrived a few weeks ago, Nasibu from Kolmarden. We were speculating here if that meant taht the old (non-breeding) silverback had passed away, but from your pic, it doesn`t look like that, because the male seems much older then Nasibu. Pertinay maybe you could have a look?
- The orang utan baby is around 4 years old now, her name is Harta and she came together with mother Janina from Hagenbeck in 2007.
- Great to hear that the angolan giraffes continue to breed, I hope one of the males will be sent to Dortmund Zoo soon, because their breeding male died a year or two ago. They have 2 male calves so one of them could become a future breeder for Lisboa.
- A question about the elephants - do you have pictures of the renovated enclosures and/or the animals? There should be 3 adult females and 2 female calves, I guess it was the smallest of the adult females with the bull? The oldest calf, a bull from 2004, died from brain cancer some time ago.
- Do you know which species of monkeys and lemurs are kept in Lisboa? And which groups are breeding?
Thanks so much and I look very forward to see your pics!
Hello
Few days ago 2 indian rhinos (Numa and Nova) came to LZ from Dvur Kralove Zoo in Czech Republic. I used to be their keeper and I'd like to know something more about their new home (enclosure, pavilion), how do they feel like? And if it's possible I am waiting for photos.
Regards
Irek
Few days ago 2 indian rhinos (Numa and Nova) came to LZ from Dvur Kralove Zoo in Czech Republic. I used to be their keeper and I'd like to know something more about their new home (enclosure, pavilion), how do they feel like? And if it's possible I am waiting for photos.
Regards
Irek
No, I am 99% sure this photo is 'Nasibu' - he is already 12 years old now and it looks (facially) like other pics I've seen of him. Already a silverback but has not developed the typical very thickly-haired arms yet.
The old male 'Cuko' was very different in appearance- very aged-looking. The current four Gorillas are 1.3 so I'm sure Cuko must be dead.
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Hi,
Yes, that's for sure Nasibu.
LZ only has 4 gorillas (1.3), so that male can only be Nasibu.
However, I have no idea what might have happened to Cuko, but most likelly dead.
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Hello,
Last week there were only in exibition 2 indian rhinos.
I have no idea how many LZ has? but I had the impression that LZ had 2 already, so I supose that the ones that I saw were the old ones.
Perphas Numa and Nova are still in quaratine? Anyway, I will post their pics and you can let us know.
Their exibition is average, as I see it. Split in two part (big) even thought a little too concrete and empty for my taste.The northern part was in remodelation and the rhinos were apart.
I will post now also some pics of the enclosure.
Best regards
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Hello,
Well, not really I spy, but I'm happy to share what I know. Unfortunally I dont know much except for what I see on my visits or of what I heard.
And please, be aware that what I share is what I know - and that may be wrong ; and what I see - and agian, I can be wrong.
Bellow:
Yassa said:
I knew of the 2 males but I had no idea that hey had also a female. Does someone know why did the males died?
I only saw this female and from what I could see into the barn, there were no males.
But I did heard a kepper saying :"why isnt the Okapi out?" ... could it be another inside? Or was he only not seing the female outside?
She did looked pregnant to me - going to post pics of the nice girl today!
Yassa said:
Replied on a previous post. That is Nasibu.
One funny thing: one of the female looked pregnant to me (or just terribly fat?). Does someone know anything of this?
Yassa said:
Thank you!! They both looked very nice and healthy!
Yassa said:
Btw, does some has acees to the studbook of these giraffes? Had LZ been inbreeding them or has in the last years imported new blood?
I would be very interested in reading their pedigrees ..
Yassa said:
They had 6 elefants. One the northern enclosure (the old elefant enclosure) they had the male and a ub-adult female.
On the new enclosure (the old asian elefant enclosure merged with the polar bear) they had 4: 1 adult female, two young calves. There were another, on the other side that I could not see if it was a male or a female. I would say a female, but I cannot be sure ... it seens that it was limping or having a hard time moving, so it didnt move too much.
The enclosures are big and have a decent poll. But, again, a little emply for my taste.
Will post pics now
Yassa said:
I will be happy to tell you, just give a few days to make the list and translate into english
Regards
Thankyou. I was sure that it was.
Do you know if 'Nasibu' has been mating with any of the three females yet?
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Thankyou. I was sure that it was.
Do you know if 'Nasibu' has been mating with any of the three females yet?
I've no idea .. but I did watched some interactions between Nasibu and two of the females, so I'm sure that he's into the group.
However one of the female seemed heavily pregnant (or terribly fat) - I posted a pic of her a few hours ago; but if she pregnant the father cannot be Nasibu.
Any news here?
CindelP
Well-Known Member
Finally , my list
Please, beware that this is what I recall and most likelly some species will be wrong or/and missing.
Monkeys (in general)
* Hamadrinas Babbons
* Pileated Gibbon
* Lar Gibbon
* another species of Gibbon
* Colombiun Brown-headed Spider Monkey
* Capuchin monkey
* Lion-tailed Macaqu
* Blue moustached
* Moustached guenon
* Debrazza's monkey
* Goeldi's Monkey
* Redtail monkeys
* Diana guenon
* Japanese Monkey
* Mona Monkey
* Black Howler Monkey
* Vervet Monkey
* Siamang
* Bolivian squirrel monkey
* Black-and-white colobus
These monkeys were primaly kept in:
- old cages that had been modernized and more naturalist. Previously they were mainly concrete cages, that were amplied to the front (to the garden) and fenced. While I believe it can (and should) get better, I also think that they are very nice homes for these old-world monkey.
The lar gibbon, siamang and the spider monkeys were on islands. Nice, small-mediun sized islands. The pileated shared the enclosore with the Orangs.
The Black-and-white colobus share the enclosure with the Gorillas.
The Japanase and Babbons are still living on big but very ugly concrete cages.
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To the big apes, as I refered previously, LZ houses
* Chimps
* Orangs (Sumatran)
* Gorillas
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Marmosets
* Pied bare-faced tamarins
* Cottontop Tamarin
* Common Marmoset
* White-lipped Tamarin
* Geoffroy's marmoset
* Red-handed Tamarin
* Black-tufted Marmoset
* Emperor Tamarin
* Pygmy Marmoset
* Silvery marmosets
* White-faced saki
Kept on a modern enclosures, one next to the old, surrender of water. Pretty nice, for my taste! Exception for the White-faced saki - a small enclosure.
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All of these were in colonys and mostly had babys. Exception made for two unpaired - White-faced saki and siamang.
In the next 2 weeks, I will visit LZ again (these time on a weekly day), so if anyone wants me to check anything, let me know ...
CindelP
Well-Known Member
About the lemurs ...
The area has been remodelated since my last visit, so I'm not sure how many Lemurs species there are ...
These are the ones I remember:
* Ringtailed lemurs
* Red ruffed lemur
* Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur
* Black Lemur
* Mongoose Lemur
* White-fronted Brown Lemur
There was at least another species of Lemur - a big sized, but I dont remember which species was ...
Seems like Lisbon has a very extensive collection of Primates.
please remember for your next visit- any news on the Gorillas and breeding behaviour(or not) of male 'Nasibu' would be very interesting.