Zoochat Challenge North America 2025

Going to try to actually keep up with this this year and just commit to doing it the day I visit. Looks like I'm the first to visit a non-US zoo/Mexican zoo this year for this competition! Visited the two zoos in Mérida today.

My total is at 27 currently.

Parque Zoológico del Centenario, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
1. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga)
2. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis/reticulata)
3. Barbary Sheep (Ammotragus lervia)
4. Yucatan Brocket Deer (Mazama pandora)
5. Lion (Panthera leo)
6. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe)
7. Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
8. Red Deer (Cercus elaphus)
9. Patas Monkey (Erythrocebus patas)
10. Tufted Capuchin (Sapajus apella)
11. Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
12. European Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
13. Wedge-capped Capuchin (Cebus olivaceus)
14. Vervet Monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
15. Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey (Ateles geoffroyi)
16. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
17. Hamadryas Baboon (Papio hamadryas)
18. Cotton-top Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
19. Black-tufted Marmoset (Callithrix penicillata)

Just double checking that European Mouflon (Ovis musimon/Ovis aries musimon) does not count, correct? Appears they are descended from domestic sheep, but not sure if the IUCN officially sees it this way or if they still consider it a subspecies of Mouflon.

Parque Zoológico Animaya, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
20. White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
21. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
22. Eland (Taurotragus oryx)
23. Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
24. Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
25. Scimitar Oryx (Oryx dammah)
26. Gaur (Bos gaurus)
27. Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)
 
Parque Zoológico del Centenario, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
1. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga)
2. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis/reticulata)
3. Barbary Sheep (Ammotragus lervia)
4. Yucatán Brocket Deer (Mazama pandora)
5. Lion (Panthera leo)
6. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe)
7. Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
8. Red Deer (Cercus elaphus)
9. Patas Monkey (Erythrocebus patas)
10. Tufted Capuchin (Sapajus apella)
11. Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
12. European Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
13. Wedge-capped Capuchin (Cebus olivaceus)
14. Vervet Monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
15. Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey (Ateles geoffroyi)
16. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
17. Hamadryas Baboon (Papio hamadryas)
18. Cotton-top Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
19. Black-tufted Marmoset (Callithrix penicillata)

Parque Zoológico Animaya, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
20. White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
21. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
22. Eland (Taurotragus oryx)
23. Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
24. Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
25. Scimitar Oryx (Oryx dammah)
26. Gaur (Bos gaurus)
27. Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)

Went to the two other zoos in the state of Yucatán today (suppose it is yesterday at this point). My total is now at 31.

La Reina Parque Zoológico y Botánico de Tizimín, Tizimín, Mexico (1/10/25)
28. Collared Peccary (Dicotyles tajacu) (These were also at Centenario, but I totally forgot to include them then.)

Valla Zoo, Valladolid, Mexico (1/10/25)
29. Coyote (Canis latrans)
30. White-lipped Peccary (Tayassu pecari)
31. Yucatán Black Howler Monkey (Alouatta pigra)
 
First One!
Detroit Zoo:
1. North American River Otter (Lontra canadensis?)
2. Western Lowland Gorilla (Gorilla Gorilla)
3. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes verus)
4. Common Eland (Tragelaphus oryx)
5. Grevy’s Zebra (Equus grevyi)
6. Southern White Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum simum)
7. Crowned Lemur (Eulemur coronatus)
8. Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
9. Red Ruffed Lemur (Varecia rubra)
10. Japanese Macaque (Macaca fuscata)
11. Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
12. Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
13. Bison (Bison bison)

I have two others that I don’t know if they count they are:
14. Domestic Bactrian Camel (Camelus ferus f. bactrianus)
15. White-Lipped Deer (Cervus albirostris)
16. Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis) Said deer is a hybrid of this and a bactrian deer.
Apologies if I messed up on any scientific names.
 
USZOOfan42 said:
I have two others that I don’t know if they count they are:
14. Domestic Bactrian Camel (Camelus ferus f. bactrianus)
15. White-Lipped Deer (Cervus albirostris)
16. Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis) Said deer is a hybrid of this and a bactrian deer.
Apologies if I messed up on any scientific names.
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Per Rule #7 in the opening post of the competition:
Coelacanth18 said:
7. Hybrid animals and domestic animals do not count unless an exception is made.
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The deer and the camel would not count. That said, per this post:
Coelacanth18 said:
Reticulated/Rothschild's (generic) Giraffe and Masai Giraffe can be counted as two species, despite IUCN still only recognizing one species of giraffe.
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An exception has been made to consider the generic and Masai giraffes separately, so you can count the generic giraffe now and Masai giraffe later if you see them.

Kudu21 said:
New year, same first zoo! I was shockingly able to see almost every eligible species, just missing the silvery lutungs (which are temporarily off-exhibit), the slender-horned gazelle, and the common dwarf mongoose!

San Diego Zoo (San Diego, CA) - 06 January 2025:
Macropodidae:
1. Parma wallaby (Notamacropus parma)

Proboscidea:
2. African bush elephant (Loxodonta africana)

Rodentia:
3. Black-tailed prairie dog (Cynomys ludovicianus)
4. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
5. Naked mole-rat (Heterocephalus glaber)
6. Patagonian mara (Dolichotis patagonum)

Primates:
7. Allen’s swamp monkey (Allenopithecus nigroviridis)
8. Angolan colobus (Colobus angolensis)
9. Black crested mangabey (Lophocebus aterrimus)
10. Blue-eyed black lemur (Eulemur flavifrons)
11. Bonobo (Pan paniscus)
12. Coquerel’s sifaka (Propithecus coquereli)
13. De Brazza’s monkey (Cercopithecus neglectus)
14. Francois’s langur (Trachypithecus francoisi)
15. Gelada (Theropithecus gelada)
16. Guinan squirrel monkey (Saimiri sciureus)
17. Hamadryas baboon (Papio hamadryas)
18. Lesser spot-nosed guenon (Cercopithecus petaurista)
19. Mandrill (Mandrillus sphinx)
20. Red collared lemur (Eulemur collaris)
21. Red ruffed lemur (Varecia rubra)
22. Red-tailed guenon (Cercopithecus ascanius)
23. Ring-tailed lemur (Lemur catta)
24. Tufted capuchin (Sapajus apella)
25. Vervet monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
26. Western gorilla (Gorilla gorilla)
27. Wolf’s mona monkey (Cercopithecus wolfi)

Cetartiodactyla:
28. Bontebok (Damaliscus pygargus)
29. Chacoan peccary (Catagonus wagneri)
30. Common eland (Tragelaphus oryx)
31. Gerenuk (Litocranius walleri)
32. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe)
33. Lesser kudu (Tragelaphus imberbis)
34. Masai giraffe (Giraffa tippelskirchi)
35. Nile hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
36. North Sulawesi babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis)
37. Red river hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
38. Soemmerring’s gazelle (Nanger soemmerringii)
39. Speke’s gazelle (Gazella spekei)

Perissodactyla:
40. Grevy’s zebra (Equus grevyi)
41. Plains zebra (Equus quagga)

Carnivora:
42. Lion (Panthera leo)
43. Slender-tailed meerkat (Suricata suricatta)
44. Spot-necked otter (Hydrictis maculicollis)
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The Safari Park was much kinder to me for this challenge than it was the Global Challenge :p The only no-shows were the species currently off-display (slender-horned gazelle and peninsular pronghorn) — I even got a fleeting glimpse of an ever elusive bongo on a late afternoon tram!

San Diego Zoo Safari Park (Escondido, CA) - 10 January 2025:
Macropodidae:
45. Matschie’s tree kangaroo (Dendrolagus matschiei)
46. Red-necked wallaby (Notamacropus rufogriseus)
47. Western grey kangaroo (Macropus fuliginosus)

Cetartiodactyla:
48. African buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
49. Aoudad (Ammotragus lervia)
50. Arabian oryx (Oryx leucoryx)
51. Banteng (Bos javanicus)
52. Barasingha (Rucervus duvaucelii)
53. Bighorn sheep (Ovis canadensis)
54. Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
55. Blue wildebeest (Connochaetes taurinus)
56. Bongo (Tragelaphus eurycerus)
57. Brow-antlered deer (Rucervus eldii)
58. Common impala (Aepyceros melampus)
59. Common waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
60. East African oryx (Oryx beisa)
61. Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
62. Generic giraffe (Giraffa sp.)
63. Greater kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros)
64. Hangul (Cervus hanglu)
65. Kob (Kobus kob)
66. Lowland nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
67. Nile lechwe (Kobus megaceros)
68. Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)
69. Nilgiri tahr (Nilgiritragus hylocrius)
70. Nubian ibex (Capra nubiana)
71. Pere David’s deer (Elaphurus davidianus)
72. Red lechwe (Kobus leche)
73. Red-fronted gazelle (Eudorcas rufifrons)
74. Roan antelope (Hippotragus equinus)
75. Sable antelope (Hippotragus niger)
76. Sambar (Rusa unicolor)
77. Scimitar-horned oryx (Oryx dammah)
78. Sika (Cervus nippon)
79. Springbok (Antidorcas marsupialis)
80. Thomson’s gazelle (Eudorcas thomsonii)
81. Urial (Ovis vignei)
82. Visayan warty pig (Sus cebifrons)

Perissodactyla:
83. African wild ass (Equus africanus)
84. White rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum)
85. Wild horse (Equus ferus)

Chiroptera:
86. Rodrigues flying fox (Pteropus rodricensis)

Carnivora:
87. Common dwarf mongoose (Helogale parvula)
 
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Two more visits to Mexican zoos today, but I am in Mexico City now. My total is now at 57.

Parque Zoológico del Centenario, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
1. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga)
2. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis/reticulata)
3. Barbary Sheep (Ammotragus lervia)
4. Yucatán Brocket Deer (Mazama pandora)
5. Lion (Panthera leo)
6. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe)
7. Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
8. Red Deer (Cercus elaphus)
9. Patas Monkey (Erythrocebus patas)
10. Tufted Capuchin (Sapajus apella)
11. Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
12. European Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
13. Wedge-capped Capuchin (Cebus olivaceus)
14. Vervet Monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
15. Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey (Ateles geoffroyi)
16. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
17. Hamadryas Baboon (Papio hamadryas)
18. Cotton-top Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
19. Black-tufted Marmoset (Callithrix penicillata)

Parque Zoológico Animaya, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
20. White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
21. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
22. Eland (Taurotragus oryx)
23. Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
24. Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
25. Scimitar Oryx (Oryx dammah)
26. Gaur (Bos gaurus)
27. Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)

La Reina Parque Zoológico y Botánico de Tizimín, Tizimín, Mexico (1/10/25)
28. Collared Peccary (Dicotyles tajacu) (These were also at Centenario, but I totally forgot to include them then.)

Valla Zoo, Valladolid, Mexico (1/10/25)
29. Coyote (Canis latrans)
30. White-lipped Peccary (Tayassu pecari)
31. Yucatán Black Howler Monkey (Alouatta pigra)

Zoológico de Chapultepec, Mexico City, Mexico (1/14/25)
32. Mantled Howler Monkey (Alouatta palliata)
33. Stump-tailed Macaque (Macaca arctoides)
34. Spotted Hyena (Crocuta crocuta)
35. Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
36. Mandrill (Mandrillus sphinx)
37. Red Brocket (Mazama americana)
38. Japanese Macaque (Macaca fuscata)
39. Sika Deer (Cervus nippon)
40. Elk (Cervus canadensis)
41. California Sea Lion (Zalophus californianus)
42. Patagonian Mara (Dolichotis patagonum)
43. Red Lechwe (Kobus leche)
44. American Bison (Bison bison)
45. Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
46. Axis Deer (Axis axis)
47. Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
48. Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
49. Eastern Grey Kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
50. Black Wildebeest (Connochaetes gnou)
51. Sable Antelope (Hippotragus niger)
52. Grévy's zebra (Equus grevyi)
53. Impala (Aepyceros melampus)
54. Tonkean Black Macaque (Macaca tonkeana)
55. Bighorn Sheep (Ovis canadensis)
56. Blue Wildebeest (Connochaetes taurinus)
57. White-faced Capuchin (Cebus capucinus)

Acuario Inbursa & Acuario Interactivo, Mexico City, Mexico (1/14/25)
No species that qualify.
 
Coelacanth18 said:
These species are not eligible, so you are at 26.

Cool to see that Franklin Park has Large Flying Fox now! Must be a new holding, they used to only have African bats.
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Apologies, let me fix that up! I think Large Flying Fox might have been a mix up from my raw Lifelist, I think I had it put in for the wrong zoo. Corrected version to follow, plus updated from latest visit:

  1. Cotton-top tamarin | Saguinus oedipus | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo
  2. De Brazza's monkey | Cercopithecus neglectus | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  3. Western lowland gorilla | Gorilla gorilla gorilla | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  4. Ring-tailed lemur | Lemur catta | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  5. White-eared titi | Plecturocebus donacophilus | [1/5/2025] Buttonwood Park Zoo

  6. Bearded emperor tamarin | Saguinus imperator | [1/5/2025] Buttonwood Park Zoo

  7. Golden-headed lion tamarin | Leontopithecus rosalia | [1/5/2025] Buttonwood Park Zoo

  8. American bison | Bison bison | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  9. Common Pronghorn | Antilocapra americana | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  10. Sichuan takin | Budorcas taxicolor tibetana | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  11. Masai giraffe | Giraffa tippelskirchi | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  12. Red River hog | Potamochoerus porcus | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  13. Somali wild ass | Equus africanus somaliensis | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  14. Sika deer | Cervus nippon | [1/5/2025] North Attleboro World War I Memorial Park and Zoo

  15. Common fallow deer | Dama dama | [1/5/2025] North Attleboro World War I Memorial Park and Zoo

  16. Straw-colored fruit bat | Eidolon helvum | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  17. Long-haired rousette | Stenonycteris lanosa | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  18. Indian flying fox | Pteropus giganteus | [1/5/2025] Capron Park Zoo

  19. Rodriguez flying fox | Pteropus rodricensis | [1/5/2025] Capron Park Zoo

  20. African savanna elephant | Loxodonta africana | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  21. Asian elephant | Elephas maximus | [1/5/2025] Buttonwood Park Zoo

  22. Red-necked wallaby | Macropus rufogriseus | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  23. Western grey kangaroo | Macropus fuliginosus | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  24. Black-tailed prairie dog | Cynomys ludovicianus | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  25. Red wolf | Canis rufus | [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo

  26. African wild dog | Lycaon pictus | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  27. Southeast african lion | Panthera leo melanochaita | [1/5/2025] Franklin Park Zoo

  28. Meerkat | Suricata suricatta | [1/5/2025] Capron Park Zoo

  29. Matschie's Tree Kangaroo Dendrolagus matschiei [1/1/2025] Roger Williams Park Zoo
Also wasn't aware that Tree Kangaroos specifically could count? In that case I hope y'all don't mind that I threw him on there lol. Otherwise I'll see it tomorrow if y'all really mind that much haha. This is fun! <3
 
Question: for rodents, are we counting things like harvest, pygmy, and zebra mice? Jirds, degus, gerbils, etc.?
 
Starting off the year with 21 species seen last week!

Prospect Park Zoo: January 6, 2025
1.) Golden lion tamarin (Leontopithecus rosalia)
2.) White-faced saki monkey (Pithecia pithecia)
3.) Geoffery’s marmoset (Callithrix geoffroyi)
4.) Dingo (Canis familiaris)
5.) White-eared titi monkey (Callicebus donacophilus)
6.) North American river otter (Lontra canadensis)
7.) California sea lion (Zalophus californianus)
8.) Dwarf mongoose (Helogale parvula)
9.) Straw-colored fruit bat (Eidolon helvum)

Bronx Zoo: January 7, 2025
10.) Thompson’s gazelle (Eudorcas thomsonii)
11.) Pere David’s deer (Elaphurus davidianus)
12.) Silvered leaf langur (Trachypithecus cristatus)
13.) Asian small-clawed otter (Aonyx cinereus)
14.) White-cheeked gibbon (Nomascus leucogenys)
15.) Rodrigues flying fox (Pteropus rodricensis)
16.) Western lowland gorilla (Gorilla gorilla)
17.) Wolf’s guenon (Cercopithecus wolfi)
18.) Pygmy marmoset (Cebuella pygmaea)
19.) Matschie's tree kangaroo (Dendrolagus matschiei)

Queens Zoo: January 11, 2024
20.) Roosevelt elk (Cervus canadensis)
21.) Plains bison (Bison bison)

Do lesser galagos count under primates? If so, it would be 22 with the lesser galago (Galago senegalensis) at the Prospect Park Zoo.
 
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Visited the other three facilities located in Mexico City yesterday before we flew back home this morning.

My total is now at 66.

Note that I may add one more to San Juan de Aragon, but there was no signage in that area of the zoo an I am waiting to see if I get a confirmation from someone more familiar with these zoos on the species. I have a feeling I know what it is, but still want to double check.

Parque Zoológico del Centenario, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
1. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga)
2. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis/reticulata)
3. Barbary Sheep (Ammotragus lervia)
4. Yucatán Brocket Deer (Mazama pandora)
5. Lion (Panthera leo)
6. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe)
7. Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
8. Red Deer (Cercus elaphus)
9. Patas Monkey (Erythrocebus patas)
10. Tufted Capuchin (Sapajus apella)
11. Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
12. European Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
13. Wedge-capped Capuchin (Cebus olivaceus)
14. Vervet Monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
15. Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey (Ateles geoffroyi)
16. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
17. Hamadryas Baboon (Papio hamadryas)
18. Cotton-top Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
19. Black-tufted Marmoset (Callithrix penicillata)

Parque Zoológico Animaya, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
20. White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
21. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
22. Eland (Taurotragus oryx)
23. Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
24. Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
25. Scimitar Oryx (Oryx dammah)
26. Gaur (Bos gaurus)
27. Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)

La Reina Parque Zoológico y Botánico de Tizimín, Tizimín, Mexico (1/10/25)
28. Collared Peccary (Dicotyles tajacu) (These were also at Centenario, but I totally forgot to include them then.)

Valla Zoo, Valladolid, Mexico (1/10/25)
29. Coyote (Canis latrans)
30. White-lipped Peccary (Tayassu pecari)
31. Yucatán Black Howler Monkey (Alouatta pigra)

Zoológico de Chapultepec, Mexico City, Mexico (1/14/25)
32. Mantled Howler Monkey (Alouatta palliata)
33. Stump-tailed Macaque (Macaca arctoides)
34. Spotted Hyena (Crocuta crocuta)
35. Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
36. Mandrill (Mandrillus sphinx)
37. Red Brocket (Mazama americana)
38. Japanese Macaque (Macaca fuscata)
39. Sika Deer (Cervus nippon)
40. Elk (Cervus canadensis)
41. California Sea Lion (Zalophus californianus)
42. Patagonian Mara (Dolichotis patagonum)
43. Red Lechwe (Kobus leche)
44. American Bison (Bison bison)
45. Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
46. Axis Deer (Axis axis)
47. Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
48. Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
49. Eastern Grey Kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
50. Black Wildebeest (Connochaetes gnou)
51. Sable Antelope (Hippotragus niger)
52. Grévy's zebra (Equus grevyi)
53. Impala (Aepyceros melampus)
54. Tonkean Black Macaque (Macaca tonkeana)
55. Bighorn Sheep (Ovis canadensis)
56. Blue Wildebeest (Connochaetes taurinus)
57. White-faced Capuchin (Cebus capucinus)

Acuario Inbursa & Acuario Interactivo, Mexico City, Mexico (1/14/25)
No species that qualify.

Zoológico Los Coyotes, Mexico City, Mexico (1/15/25)
No new species that qualify.

Zoológico de San Juan de Aragon, Mexico City, Mexico (1/15/25)
58. South American Sea Lion (Otaria flavescens)
59. African Buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
60. African Savanna Elephant (Loxodonta africana)
61. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
62. Common Eland (Tragelaphus oryx)
63. Aoudad (Ammotragus lervia)
64. Mexican Prairie Dog (Cynomys mexicanus)
65. Golden-headed Lion Tamarin (Leontopithecus chrysomelas)

Acuario Michin CDMX, Mexico City, Mexico (1/15/25)
66. Red Ruffed Lemur (Varecia rubra)
 
Mary said:
Do lesser galagos count under primates? If so, it would be 22 with the lesser galago (Galago senegalensis) at the Prospect Park Zoo.
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Yes, they do - but you are still at 21 because the gibbon does not.

NSU42 said:
Just double checking that European Mouflon (Ovis musimon/Ovis aries musimon) does not count, correct? Appears they are descended from domestic sheep, but not sure if the IUCN officially sees it this way or if they still consider it a subspecies of Mouflon.
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I will go ahead and make an exception for this too, since it pretty much follows the same logic as Dingo (species descended from domestics but has been wild for a very long time) and I don't have a great rationale for allowing one and not the other.

On the other hand (and this is my fault for not being specific enough), Mazama is one of the deer that I intended to exclude from this challenge under "small deer" as I understand them to be solitary/paired animals... so you are at 56, the mouflon counted and the two brocket deer dropped.

Kudu21 said:
51. Banteng (Bos javanicus)
52. Barasingha (Rucervus duvaucelii)
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I will have to think about whether to count animals from SDZSP's Asian safari area... reason being it's a gray area between "normal public access" and "limited access". Anyone can theoretically book a tour through that part of the zoo, but it is very much not included in the general admission cost and is presumably limited to a certain number of spots per day.

Given that ungulates are a big part of the challenge this year I should have anticipated this and made a decision beforehand, so I apologize for that - but as it stands I do need some time to mull it over. Until then, just continue counting from what you have.
 
Coelacanth18 said:
I will have to think about whether to count animals from SDZSP's Asian safari area... reason being it's a gray area between "normal public access" and "limited access". Anyone can theoretically book a tour through that part of the zoo, but it is very much not included in the general admission cost and is presumably limited to a certain number of spots per day.

Given that ungulates are a big part of the challenge this year I should have anticipated this and made a decision beforehand, so I apologize for that - but as it stands I do need some time to mull it over. Until then, just continue counting from what you have.
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I figured the Asian species would be a bit of a grey area. Technically they can be seen from a couple of vantage points from the East Africa overlook on up along the new pathway to Tiger Trail and then on to Condor Ridge, but the view isn’t exactly good. For a good view you do have to pay at least $50-70 more for the Asian Cart Safari (or more for a caravan), but a lot of people that visit the Park do choose to do so to see those species. I am fine with whichever way you decide :)
 
Coelacanth18 said:
On the other hand (and this is my fault for not being specific enough), Mazama is one of the deer that I intended to exclude from this challenge under "small deer" as I understand them to be solitary/paired animals... so you are at 56, the mouflon counted and the two brocket deer dropped.
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I realized as I was entering the second species that these might qualify as one of the small deer species you said don't count, but figured I didn't get a message saying the first one didn't count so figured I'd include the second. Thank you for the clarification.

Follow up question for further clarification on Mouflon, are we counting that as a typical Mouflon subspecies (ie Ovis gmelini) or as the domestic sheep (ie Ovis aries). In the end, it likely doesn't matter as I am not aware of any actual Mouflon in North America, but figured I'd ask just in case.
Coelacanth18 said:
You already had all 3 of these, so you are at 62.
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Not sure how I missed these as I typically do a ctrl-F on my list just to make sure I don't include something a second time. I have put an updated list in the following spoiler noting these changes. The European Mouflon I have simply inserted where the Yucatan Brocket Deer was so I didn't have to renumber the entire list.

Total is now 62.

Parque Zoológico del Centenario, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
1. Plains Zebra (Equus quagga)
2. Reticulated Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis/reticulata)
3. Barbary Sheep (Ammotragus lervia)
4. European Mouflon (Ovis gmelini)
5. Lion (Panthera leo)
6. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe)
7. Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
8. Red Deer (Cercus elaphus)
9. Patas Monkey (Erythrocebus patas)
10. Tufted Capuchin (Sapajus apella)
11. Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
12. European Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
13. Wedge-capped Capuchin (Cebus olivaceus)
14. Vervet Monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
15. Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey (Ateles geoffroyi)
16. Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
17. Hamadryas Baboon (Papio hamadryas)
18. Cotton-top Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
19. Black-tufted Marmoset (Callithrix penicillata)

Parque Zoológico Animaya, Mérida, Mexico (1/8/25)
20. White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
21. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
22. Eland (Taurotragus oryx)
23. Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
24. Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
25. Scimitar Oryx (Oryx dammah)
26. Gaur (Bos gaurus)
27. Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)

La Reina Parque Zoológico y Botánico de Tizimín, Tizimín, Mexico (1/10/25)
28. Collared Peccary (Dicotyles tajacu)

Valla Zoo, Valladolid, Mexico (1/10/25)
29. Coyote (Canis latrans)
30. White-lipped Peccary (Tayassu pecari)
31. Yucatán Black Howler Monkey (Alouatta pigra)

Zoológico de Chapultepec, Mexico City, Mexico (1/14/25)
32. Mantled Howler Monkey (Alouatta palliata)
33. Stump-tailed Macaque (Macaca arctoides)
34. Spotted Hyena (Crocuta crocuta)
35. Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
36. Mandrill (Mandrillus sphinx)
37. Japanese Macaque (Macaca fuscata)
38. Sika Deer (Cervus nippon)
39. Elk (Cervus canadensis)
40. California Sea Lion (Zalophus californianus)
41. Patagonian Mara (Dolichotis patagonum)
42. Red Lechwe (Kobus leche)
43. American Bison (Bison bison)
44. Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
45. Axis Deer (Axis axis)
46. Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
47. Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
48. Eastern Grey Kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
49. Black Wildebeest (Connochaetes gnou)
50. Sable Antelope (Hippotragus niger)
51. Grévy's zebra (Equus grevyi)
52. Impala (Aepyceros melampus)
53. Tonkean Black Macaque (Macaca tonkeana)
54. Bighorn Sheep (Ovis canadensis)
55. Blue Wildebeest (Connochaetes taurinus)
56. White-faced Capuchin (Cebus capucinus)

Acuario Inbursa & Acuario Interactivo, Mexico City, Mexico (1/14/25)
No species that qualify

Zoológico Los Coyotes, Mexico City, Mexico (1/15/25)
No new species that qualify.

Zoológico de San Juan de Aragon, Mexico City, Mexico (1/15/25)
57. South American Sea Lion (Otaria flavescens)
58. African Buffalo (Syncerus caffer)
59. African Savanna Elephant (Loxodonta africana)
60. Mexican Prairie Dog (Cynomys mexicanus)
61. Golden-headed Lion Tamarin (Leontopithecus chrysomelas)

Acuario Michin CDMX, Mexico City, Mexico (1/15/25)
62. Red Ruffed Lemur (Varecia rubra)
 
Coelacanth18 said:
I will go ahead and make an exception for this too, since it pretty much follows the same logic as Dingo (species descended from domestics but has been wild for a very long time) and I don't have a great rationale for allowing one and not the other.
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If mouflon count now, I've got another addition from the Toronto Zoo!
9. Mouflon (Ovis aries musimon)
 
Franklin Park Zoo - January 18th 2024
My second Zoo visit was successful as my local Zoo has a decent amount of social mammals, and I was very successful seeing animals that I haven't even seen before.

Primates:
1) Western Gorilla (Gorilla gorilla)
2) Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
3) Cotton-headed Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
4) De Brazza's Monkey (Cercopithecus neglectus)
Ungulates:
5) African Wild Ass (Equus africanus)
6) Red River Hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
Bats:
7) Long-haired Rousette (Stenonycteris lanosus)
Rodents:
8) Black-tailed Prairie Dog (Cynomys ludovicianus)
Carnivores:
9) African Wild Dog (Lycaon pictus)
10) Spotted Hyena (Crocuta crocuta)
 
Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  1. Mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  2. Fallow deer (Dama dama) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  3. Common marmoset (Callithrix jacchus) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  4. Mexican wolf (Canis lupus baileyi) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  5. North American river otter (Lontra canadensis) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  6. Guanaco (Lama guanicoe) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  7. Addax (Addax nasomaculatus) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  8. Bactrian camel (Camelus bactrianus) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
  9. Red kangaroo (Osphranter rufus) – Alameda Park Zoo 1/23
 
I saw a zoo animal yesterday from outside the zoo on a public walking path outside of zoo opening hours. Does this count?
 
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