West Midland Safari and Leisure Park West midlands

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Paulkarli08 said:
I think the fun will start when the white male cubs all start fighting for dominace between themselves and their dad, and no zoo will take them, i think a few of them will 'go missing'
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they're not all together, there is the main drive by enclosure which usually houses the mother and cubs, then several drive by enclosures (connected to the main tiger reserve through tunells in the hill). these enclosures house orange and several pairs of white tigers
 
I doubt they'd give the white lions away as they're unique to WMSP. Presumably they'll just let them inbreed into oblivion :(
 
I'm surprised there hasn't been another litter actually.... possibly the females are resisting their brother's advances! They will probably have so many white lions soon with the cubs breeding with their mums and dad, that they will have to get rid of all the other safari animals and just have the safari park full of white lions, and rename the park 'white mutants safari park'
 
RTB1987 said:
. As far as i know either 'Mohan', the first and only wild caught white tiger, was bred consecutively with his own sisters; or any white cubs bred from him were bred with brothers/sisters/ half-siblings so as to produce more white tigers. Hybridisation therefore was present from the very start, so its impossible for them to be pure.
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That is inbreeding, not hybridisation.
This inbreeding in fact ensured that these tigers did remain pure (indian) tigers racially, albeit only in the White form as the normal coloration was selected against. The White tigers imported to and produced at Bristol Zoo were probably the last purebred Indian tigers in the UK.

The problems started when the original strain of White Indian tigers were outcrossed in both the UK and the USA with Siberians or other tigers of mixed race. All White tigers outside India are now of the resulting impure stock.
 
theorectically people have to decide whether they want to see a hands down beautiful animal so rare and unusual as a white iger, to the dtriment of tigers worldwide or allow them to be lossed and havea white tiger free world to the advantage of tigers.

...theorectically.
 
Paulkarli08 said:
I'm surprised there hasn't been another litter actually.... possibly the females are resisting their brother's advances! They will probably have so many white lions soon with the cubs breeding with their mums and dad, that they will have to get rid of all the other safari animals and just have the safari park full of white lions, and rename the park 'white mutants safari park'
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Actually the white Lions are pure members of the Panthera leo krugeri sub-species so i have no problem with the place keeping and breeding from them as long as some get shipped out to other collections to spread the gene pool,around the rest of Europe as there are quite a few about.
 
foz said:
theorectically people have to decide whether they want to see a hands down beautiful animal so rare and unusual as a white iger, to the dtriment of tigers worldwide or allow them to be lossed and havea white tiger free world to the advantage of tigers.

...theorectically.
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.... although White Tigers can hardly be classed as 'rare' anymore. i don't think there is any danger of most comitted zoos ever allowing their pure tigers to become crossbred. But the population of crossbred White tigers is ever increasing, particularly in the USA where there are hundreds of them.
 
zoogiraffe said:
Actually the white Lions are pure members of the Panthera leo krugeri sub-species so i have no problem with the place keeping and breeding from them as long as some get shipped out to other collections to spread the gene pool,around the rest of Europe as there are quite a few about.
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But they're the only ones, WMSP won't let them go and there weren't enough to start a European population. Are white lions themselves a sub-species, or aren't they just a "colour morph" of a pure subspecies like white tigers are?
 
ashley-h said:
But they're the only ones, WMSP won't let them go and there weren't enough to start a European population. Are white lions themselves a sub-species, or aren't they just a "colour morph" of a pure subspecies like white tigers are?
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They are just a colour Morph of the sub-species,actually i have seen them in at least one Dutch Zoo and they got them from another European collection with them so i think there are more about than we think,also Paradise Wildlife Park has 3 here in the U.K but theirs are not the white colour morph,as for West Mids not letting them go they already have moved some on.
 
If you can find the book 'White Lions of Timbavati' it should help you discover more about their original background ( a South African game reserve). However I am not sure if the ones in Europe are descended from the original Timbavati white lions- or whether this mutation also came from a different source e.g. in some already captive lions elsewhere.
 
zoogiraffe said:
They are just a colour Morph of the sub-species,actually i have seen them in at least one Dutch Zoo and they got them from another European collection with them so i think there are more about than we think,also Paradise Wildlife Park has 3 here in the U.K but theirs are not the white colour morph,as for West Mids not letting them go they already have moved some on.
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Ah ok, just seems like they don't want to part with them. Don't think it would hurt though, the initial rush to see them is kind of over now.
 
I thought the ones at Paradise Wildlife Park came over a few months after the first ones at West Mids came over from South Africa. Have ones from west mids joined the original ones or were the original ones actually from west mids?
 
RTB1987 said:
I thought the ones at Paradise Wildlife Park came over a few months after the first ones at West Mids came over from South Africa. Have ones from west mids joined the original ones or were the original ones actually from west mids?
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as far as im aware, paredises 3 came from west mids
 
Paradise wildlife park originally obtained 2 white lions (1 male and 1 female) but the female was put down due to a spinal problem (she was only 2 years old). i think they were brought over from an african lion breeding centre? then after a long wait they then recieved 2 new, young lionesses, one being pure white and one which looks a bit patchy) so i presume these 2 lionesses came from west midlands?
 
Cat-Man said:
as far as im aware, paredises 3 came from west mids
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No the ones at Paradise Wildlife Park did not come from West Mids,although i do know where the ones West Mids have moved on have gone i`m not going to post it on here as i`m sworn to secrecy.
 
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