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I'm hoping this isn't still the case by mid-May when I'm planning a visit to London, I'm quite fond of both babirusa and red river hogs, so it would be a shame to miss out on seeing them.
They have access to outdoor paddocks but due to the cold weather at the moment they spend pretty much all day inside, sorry my original comment was a tad misleading. By May I'd expect them to be pretty much permanently outside anyway, certainly the babirusa with their young
 
I visited briefly today from 2pm onwards, and I'm happy to say both the Red River Hogs and Babirusa were outside, though I couldn't see the Babirusa piglets. The Gorillas and large cats were also out and about so for a short visit in February it was surprisingly rewarding. The new Gueldi monkey is visible in a quarantine enclosure in the Clore, before introduction to the main rainforest exhibit. (Though that means you can't see the golden lion tamarins from inside as their area is partitioned off to make the quarantine area). My main surprise was seeing how large the lion cubs are since my last visit, they look to be getting on for the same size as their mother now.
 
London Zoo's had similar master plans before, but all that's really known post Monkey Valley/SLoRA is a new entrance and (if this goes through) the new Gorilla Kingdom renovations. A lot of the concept makes sense, save for converting Tiger Territory and the surrounding areas into a bigger African Jungle section and lumping Land of the Lions, an Indian themed area, into a new African Savanna area. That being said, it may be prudent that if London were to continue with giraffes, they'd start thinking about a brand-new facility in the same vein as SLoRA and Giants of the Galapagos...
The redevelopment area is already blocked off and clearing is taking place.
 
If this is a genuine plan, then it will take many, many years to complete.

A new and improved giraffe enclosure as part of an African Savannah would be great - facilitating a full herd without the serious welfare concerns of the current stable. I also love the idea of the Galapagos Tortoises and Humboldt Penguins being the foundation of a ‘Ocean’ zone with a clear South American theme.

But other than that, so much of this plan makes absolutely no sense, so much so that it leads me to believe it is, as @Tea_and_Biology suggests, ‘a demonstrative example’ from the architect firm of how these new Gorilla Kingdom plans could lead to a modern geo-zoo further down the line.

According to this, an area of the zoo with exclusively African animals (the African hoofstock on the Cottons and the colobus in Snowdon) will become ‘Asian Forest.’ Seems fairly random. But then there is a string of Southeast Asian exhibits (the Komodo house, Tiger Territory and the Babirusa on the Cassons) being lumped into the same ‘African Forest’ zone as Gorilla Kingdom and a Bird Safari that was originally intended for solely African species, but in recent years has lost any geographical consistency and now holds a rather random assortment of species, although that can easily be reverted, I feel.

The construction of two hotels is a bit of a leap, and I feel as though if this were the long-term plan there would be information about it more publicly (perhaps not, though). I don’t mind this myself, but I’m sure other members will. To be honest, given how widespread this practice is becoming in zoos, this is an actually one of the more plausible facets of this ‘masterplan.’

My scepticism about whether these plans are genuine goals rather than random ideas visualised on a map mainly comes down to two, particularly bizarre things: the incorporation of LotL, which is very clearly themed to an Indian village in a manner that directly links to ZSL’s in situ work in the Gir Forest, into an ‘African Savannah’; and the supposed transition of the Clore from an onshow area for animals to a pair of (presumably behind-the-scenes) staff facilities. I do not believe that the zoo intends to undo all the expenses that went into theming LotL by re theming it, or for that matter throwing much of their credibility in terms of enclosure design out of the window by having a clearly Indian exhibit in an African display. To be honest, incorporating Blackburn and Tiny Giants into it is bizarre, too. The Clore becoming staff facilities is just bizarre, and would be a real error by the zoo in my eyes.

Only time will tell. I suspect when the Gorilla Kingdom plans are officially announced, there will be some sort of cryptic reference to how this is the first stage of a metamorphosis should this actually be a long-term goal. But to be honest, I doubt it will ever happen. And in some ways, that may be a good thing.
 
It's not branded, doesn't fit with current priorities and I think needs to be ignored as the sort of thing we might play about with ourselves. I'm not sure exactly where it was found.
 
Fairly quiet day at London, mainly school groups (9 I believe!)

Few things of note:

  • Something seems to be happening at the warthogs, haven't a clue what as nothing was actually done but it looks like they're preparing for some engineering works
  • Work on the painted dog exhibit is going well, lots of scaffold up. Also got confirmation the old pack killed each other. Lovely.
  • Not sure if it was mentioned last year but the gentle lemurs have offspring, around 3 months old now. The former spider monkey exhibit is their permanent home now
  • Mzimu has been introduced to Oni and it would seem a calf is to be expected if all goes well
  • The Cassons is closed again, so no way to view the RRH or babirusa
  • All the Ailanthus silkworms in Tiny Giants have pupated and I was lucky enough to watch one emerge. The Atlas moths in the butterfly house also seem to have been quite successful
  • The komodo dragon exhibit has been slightly remodelled, mainly landscaping, but I found it gave much better views

Honestly not much of note from the past few weeks, it's pretty much business as usual aside from the Gorilla Kingdom expansion work. The tiger boys should hopefully be moving on in the next few months finally, and the lion young all looked very healthy.

Quite a few no-shows as expected of a chilly February day, but made up for by the aforementioned big cats. Was great to see the Darwin's frogs, the BBC story definitely worked because the window was packed even in a pretty empty zoo. The zebra and ostrich were outside all day together, giraffes locked inside. Still yet to see the tree shrew.

However, the impossible did occur. I finally saw the small Indian mongoose - although the only way I could photograph them was by standing about 15 metres away as not to scare it
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I was there with one of the school groups. Giraffe were not locked inside during the early afternoon but with zebra and ostrich in their paddock and only one door open, and given the cold and the amount of food they had inside, I would suggest they were 'discouraged' from going out. I wasn't aware that they were mixing the zebra and ostrich with them but they absolutely could have gone out if they had wanted to.
 
I was there with one of the school groups. Giraffe were not locked inside during the early afternoon but with zebra and ostrich in their paddock and only one door open, and given the cold and the amount of food they had inside, I would suggest they were 'discouraged' from going out. I wasn't aware that they were mixing the zebra and ostrich with them but they absolutely could have gone out if they had wanted to.
As with everything else you've replied to...this has all been discussed in the thread earlier in the week.
 
Thanks for that; I'm not used to people being rude on here.

Some people can’t help themselves mate….
It wasn't my intention to come across as rude, but thank you anyway. I do pride myself on my scathing wit.

Point is, these threads fill up with posts very quickly as it is and repeating information doesn't make reading them any easier. Neither do passive-aggressive comments but I feel that's besides the point.
 
Just give yourself plenty of time as their is a lot of walking , land of the lions there is plenty of enclosures the lions might be in! Also look out when you go across the road to not miss out on the houses which hold large amounts of animals that you can easily walk on by, if you don’t notice them!
 
Also look out when you go across the road to not miss out on the houses which hold large amounts of animals that you can easily walk on by, if you don’t notice them!
I know London Zoo very well but must admit I'm rather confused by the above statement; I don't understand what houses you're referring to.

For the benefit of others, please could you be more explicit and explain what buildings with "large amounts of animals that you can easily walk on by" you're thinking about.
 
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I know London Zoo very well but must admit I'm rather confused by the above statement; I don't understand what houses you're referring to.

For the benefit of others, please could you be more explicit and explain what buildings with "large amounts of animals that you can easily walk on by" you're thinking about.
I suppose on that side of the Outer Circle it would be the Clore Pavilion and the lemur house? I didn't miss them but they certainly seemed more unassuming then they should have based on their contents, though I did miss the Dik dik (not sure, but I know it was Chinese water deer previously) enclosure near the otter/dwarf mongoose area.
 
I suppose on that side of the Outer Circle it would be the Clore Pavilion and the lemur house? I didn't miss them but they certainly seemed more unassuming then they should have based on their contents, though I did miss the Dik dik (not sure, but I know it was Chinese water deer previously) enclosure near the otter/dwarf mongoose area.
The dik-dik area is currently fenced off anyway, or at least it was last week. I'm honestly not quite sure what the plan for the area is, there's no work going on as far as I know.

The lemur house is fairly easy to miss if you choose to skip the ring-tailed walkthrough I suppose, but I tend to enter it through Rainforest Life anyway
 
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