Howletts, Port Lympne and the RSCC

redpanda

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Due to an attempt by my parents to be "supportive", I am writing this from Kent and will be visiting these three zoos over the next three days (decided to let them off Drusillas, Wildwood and Winghams ;)). The current itinerary is Howletts tomorrow, RSCC the day after and Port Lympne on Sunday (weather dependent).

As such, if any of you have any questions or want any photos, now is the time to ask.

Also, if you have any specific tips on visiting, they would be appreciated as all three of these are new to me.

I'm really looking forward to all the rare species and the largest groups of Gorilla, Elephant and Black Rhino in the UK

Thanks in advance,

Redpanda.
 
I think they have the largest captive Gorilla group in the world not just the UK
 
It is the world, but it's the amount of gorillas over the 2 parks.
Please get some pics of the RSCC if it's sunny, some people think it looks terrible because it was pouring the day I got to take pics lol :rolleyes:
Could you maybe try and get some of the Brown hyena at Lympne too please?
Thanks :)
 
If you could try to get some photos of the North chinese leopards at Howletts that would be great.
 
RedPanda.

1. At Howletts the first Gorilla group you will see(nearest the Entrance) was headed by 'Kijo' until he died in December. (He was the first Gorilla ever born there). I believe a replacement male isn't being considered at the moment for husbandry reasons, but could you take a note of (or photo) anything about this if there is any notice on the enclosure? Thankyou.

2. Be prepared for lots of walking at Port Lympne- whereas Howletts is quite small(relatively speaking) and level, Port Lympne is huge and mostly on a hillside.A lot of the exhibits are distanced from each other. Vehicles take you around the 'African experience' though that will cost you another fiver.

Enjoy your visits....
 
I would love to have some info on the individual Howletts and PL gorilla troupes? Names (sex, dob, sirexdam) et cetera.

Also, please enquire about the new moloch/silvery gibbons which have arrived ex Indonesia/Schmutzer Center last year. Any news on new breeding combinations and expected births and new blood into the European and principal silvery gibbon breeding programme?

Also, any indication the sifaka male may get a female partner .. now the Vincennes Zoo is defunct and pushing up daisies?
 
Sounds like a great trip redpanda, hope you enjoy.

I would be grateful if you could find out the current status of the grizzled langur groups at Howletts.
Have the baboons been mixed with the black rhino at port lympne yet, as well as any pics of the new brown hyena, and their enclosure.
Any sign of the Palawan binturong at RSCC?

Thanks mate.
 
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Have the baboons been mixed with the black rhino at port lympne yet,

I'm pretty sure the answer will still be no(it was recently)- unless they have speeded up the elecrification of the paddock fencing.
 
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Lots of replies.

I will try and answer all of your questions however due to a change of schedule (Port Lympne today, Howletts on Sunday) I'm afraid I don't know all the answers. I've tried to take photos of as many things as possible, so hopefully this helps.

Please get some pics of the RSCC if it's sunny, some people think it looks terrible because it was pouring the day I got to take pics lol :rolleyes:
Could you maybe try and get some of the Brown hyena at Lympne too please?

I will try and get as many pics as possible of the RSCC, that's still on for tomorrow. Unfortunately, even after three consecutive visits (which, as the enclosure was at the very bottom of the park, was not easy) I did not see the Brown Hyena, very dissapointing :(.

For those of you who wish to know where the enclosure was, it is at the very bottom left of the park. Opposite the enclosure is the disabled *cough* Barbary *cough* Lion and it is below the Wild Dogs, on the right as you come down the path.

Really sorry to anyone who wanted pictures.

If you could try to get some photos of the North chinese leopards at Howletts that would be great.

I shall endeavour to do that.

How lucky are you Redpanda!:)
3 zoos in 3 days!! :eek:

Tell me about it! Originally we were planning on going to the South of France, but when that fell through, I suggested this instead! Never thought for a minute that my parents would agree to it but here we are. I must be the only person in the world who would rather come to Kent then the South of France.

1. At Howletts the first Gorilla group you will see(nearest the Entrance) was headed by 'Kijo' until he died in December. (He was the first Gorilla ever born there). I believe a replacement male isn't being considered at the moment for husbandry reasons, but could you take a note of (or photo) anything about this if there is any notice on the enclosure?

I will try and remember to do that

2. Be prepared for lots of walking at Port Lympne- whereas Howletts is quite small(relatively speaking) and level, Port Lympne is huge and mostly on a hillside.A lot of the exhibits are distanced from each other. Vehicles take you around the 'African experience' though that will cost you another fiver.

PL wasn't as hard-going as I thought it would be, although there was a lot of walking involved. The African Experience was awesome and definitely worth the extra fiver.

I would love to have some info on the individual Howletts and PL gorilla troupes? Names (sex, dob, sirexdam) et cetera.

Unfortunatly, it's too late to find out any info on the PL gorilla troupes. All I know is that the Palace of the Apes silverback is called Djala and the Gorilla Pavillion has a bachelor group, I'm sure Pertinax will be able to elabourate on this.

I will try and find out what I can for you at Howletts.

Also, please enquire about the new moloch/silvery gibbons which have arrived ex Indonesia/Schmutzer Center last year. Any news on new breeding combinations and expected births and new blood into the European and principal silvery gibbon breeding programme?

Could you please elabourate on this, is it an in situ programme. If so, I will try and ask one of the primate keepers at Howletts.

If you mean the individuals at PL, there were four Molochs.

Sorry, I don't really understand the question.

Also, any indication the sifaka male may get a female partner .. now the Vincennes Zoo is defunct and pushing up daisies?

At PL today, I saw two sifakas, one in the main cage and one in a smaller enclosure to the back. Hope that helps you.

I would be grateful if you could find out the current status of the grizzled langur groups at Howletts.
Have the baboons been mixed with the black rhino at port lympne yet, as well as any pics of the new brown hyena, and their enclosure.
Any sign of the Palawan binturong at RSCC?

I will try and find out about the grizzled langurs, do you want any specific details other than genders and possible new births, apologies but I'm really rather new to this game.

Didn't see any evidence of baboon mixings with the Black Rhinos.

I will look out for the Palawan Binturong tomorrow.

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I hope that's answered all of your questions. For those of you who haven't been to PL, definitely try as it is a unique and amazing park.

I've never been to a zoo before where, around every turn, is a species which is really rare or which I have never seen before. I'm quite a small cat fan, so that was really great as there was ocelot, fishing cat, desert cat, caracal, lynx, geoffrey's cat and margay galore!

Also, Palace of the Apes is a truly extraordinary structure, a cathedral of the zoo world. Even better were the three baby gorillas playing on the slide and through the hatches!

Dholes and African Wild Dogs were also good to see and the Red Panda enclosure was massive. Plus, to see so many Black Rhino was simply astonishing and most of them came quite close to the fence so we got a really good view.

Finally, the African Experience is amazing and, suprisingly, does actually feel like Africa. Definitly worth a fiver! They only thing that they could have done is driven more through the centre as you are always next to a fence! Other than that, it was much better than I was expecting.

One thing which struck me about the whole park was that it seemed to have not quite decided what attraction it wanted to be. On the one hand there are some very touristy aspects (overwhelmingly tacky gift shop, African Experience, hot do stands), but in other areas, it was very, well aspinelly (MASSIVE enclosures, rubbish signage rare species). I hope they don't become too concentrated on the visitor as the park is special and it would be a grave shame to lose that.

Well, I think that's all for now. I will just add a quick recommendation for Down House, home of Charles Darwin, for any zoochatters who are in Kent. It is definitely worth a visit.

Lots of photos to come (not snowleopard level but quite a few ;)).

Sorry that was so long , I will report back tomorrow on the RSCC :)
 
Kiang, the Palawan binturong are at the RSCC, locked in on the day I went as they were putting net on the (ridiculously small) cage's roof.
 
Thanks for the review! Great to know you enjoyed the day, despite the unruly weather today (or was it dryer in Kent?) and sorry to hear you weren't able to see the hyeanas. Talking about the African Experience, Marwell says they may have a safari vehicle tour in their African Valley sometime in the future; however it's only half the size and not nearly enough planting to give the true savannah feel, so I'll look forward to it even more when I (hopefully) visit in half-term! :)
 
Kifaru Bwana: Unfortunately it`s impossible right now to get a female sifaka, simply because there are none availible. There`s a female in Mulhouse, which hasn`t bred in the last years, 3 breeding females each in Belfast, Besancan and Apenheul (the first and the last ones ex Paris), and a female handraised baby in Besancan. I fear these are ALL female sifakas in Europe. I hope very much that there is another one I don`t know about but I don`t think so. PRAY for many female offspring in the next years or the species is lost!
 
Well done Redpanda- a good update on Port Lympne. The Brown Hyaenas must be in the most South westerly enclosure in the whole Park. Sorry you didn't get to see them. Similarly at Howletts DON't expect to see the Spanish Wolves- they are famously invisible...:(

The slightly odd mix of Aspinall and more 'touristy' features reflects the result of their attempts to bring in more visitors/revenue in recent years. They have had to try and move on but the old 'private collection' feel is still there. same at Howletts.
 
The moloch or silvery gibbons is a ex situ captive-breeding operation at both PL and Howletts Zoos. It has an in situ component as JAF is heavily involved with the Schmutzer Primate Center in Jakarta, Indonesia and in situ conservation activities in a rescue facility and protected areas on Java.

What I would like to know concerns the new immigrants from Jakarta Zoo that have been absorbed into the collections by JAF. I would appreciate any information on pairings and recent breedings at both facilities.

Hope that helps you out answering my queries.

K.B.
 
Evening all, just got back from the RSCC but more on that later. First a few more replies. Also, I only have a limited amount of time on the hotel's internet connection, but I will try and start downloading some photos this evening so watch out for them.

Kiang, the Palawan binturong are at the RSCC, locked in on the day I went as they were putting net on the (ridiculously small) cage's roof.

The two Binturong were out today, the cage is too small for such large animals and the mesh is very difficult to photograph through (I did try) however they do at least have some climbing oppurtunities.

Thanks for the review! Great to know you enjoyed the day, despite the unruly weather today (or was it dryer in Kent?) and sorry to hear you weren't able to see the hyeanas. Talking about the African Experience, Marwell says they may have a safari vehicle tour in their African Valley sometime in the future; however it's only half the size and not nearly enough planting to give the true savannah feel, so I'll look forward to it even more when I (hopefully) visit in half-term! :)

Thankfully, Kent was one of the few places in the UK to have good weather yesterday, hence the decision to go to PL as it would have been utterly miserable on a wet day.

Yes, the African Experience truly does feel like Africa (and I have been on a safari). I took lots of pictures which I may upload this evening which could almost have been taken in Africa. The only problem was that you almost always drive along the fence-line which seemed unnecessary in such a large area.

The moloch or silvery gibbons is a ex situ captive-breeding operation at both PL and Howletts Zoos. It has an in situ component as JAF is heavily involved with the Schmutzer Primate Center in Jakarta, Indonesia and in situ conservation activities in a rescue facility and protected areas on Java.

What I would like to know concerns the new immigrants from Jakarta Zoo that have been absorbed into the collections by JAF. I would appreciate any information on pairings and recent breedings at both facilities.

Hope that helps you out answering my queries.

K.B.

Thanks that clears it up for me, I will try and find a primate keeper at Howletts tomorrow who I can ask for you. Regarding the Molochs at PL, there were four there (sorry, don't know genders) which I will upload some photos of.

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I feel that I should now say a little about the RSCC as it has been heavily criticized by some on zoochat (most of whom have only seen photos). Personally, I was expecting very little but this place really suprised me.

Firstly, this zoo really is small and could be much improved with a little more space. However, what they have done, I believe they have done relatively well.

Having entered the centre, you start by going through "New Guinea", a small tropical hall with only one species which actually comes from the island, the Victoria Crowned Pigeon. The enclosure for the Jaguarundi is reasonably small although, if you add the two joined cages together, they are not too bad. Also, the Emperor Tamarins could certainly do with more space. This area would benefit from more foliage and free-flying birds as well as less netting.

Upon leaving the building, there is, to your right, a small aviary-style enclosure for Fishing Cat which has nowhere near enough foliage and hiding places and pales in comparison to the ones I at at PL yesterday. Ahead is the flamingo pool which is not too small, but has too few flamingos and too small a land area.

Here, we took a left and entered the "Indo-China" section of the zoo, home to the majority of the collection. Most of this area is viewed from a boardwalk which works quite well as the majority of species are arboreal. On your left as you enter are the White-Cheeked Gibbons, this enclosure is nice but could be improved by a greater height and more climbing oppurtunities. On the left are the pair of Malayan Sun Bears, this enclosure is no where near as bad as some people have portrayed it and, although not massive, seems a reasonable size especially with all the climbing oppurtunities.

Here, the boardwalk forks, we took a left past the gibbon enclosure and into a raised shelter which looks over the infamous Clouded Leopard enclosure which actually only has a cloudy in at night and is now home to a pair of Puma during the day. This enclosure now has a lot more logs for climbing as well as more vegetation and I feel it to be of a reasonable size, certainly it does not deserve some of the criticism it has garnered on this site.

Leaving this viewing area and returning to the bears, you pass the UK's only New Guinea Singing Dogs. Their enclosure, however, is rather small and the dogs have very few places in which to hide from the public.

Round the corner, you come to the Binturong and Malayan Tapir enclosures. As I have said, the Binturong enclosure is much too small for the two inhabitants although they do, at least, have some climbing oppurtunities. To me, the Tapir enclosure was too small, and the pool not big enough. This view may, however, have something to do with the size of the Tapir enclosures which I saw yesterday at PL. Also in this area is a Civet which I did not see.

Leaving "Indo-China", we went into the "Madagascar" section. This basically consisted of two small lemur enclosures (one for Crowned Lemurs, one for Red-Ruffed) and two for Fossa, one of these enclosures was quite a good size whilst the other seemed a little small.

The final outdoor area which, according to the leaflet, will be called Snow Leopard Ridge was unfinished although the Snow Leopard enclosure appeared done and I got a picture of it, unfortunatly it did seem a little small for the pair it will contain. I saw one of these two on top of a rock at the back of the exhibit. There appears to be one other enclosure being constructed in this area although I am not sure what it is for.

Finally, we went back inside to another tropical house called "Amazonia" (again, with very few amazonian species). You enter this through a cave with some terrariums for herps and one for Slow Loris. Leaving this, you see the pair of Smooth-Coated Otters (which hardly stopped their squeeling the whole time that we were there) and an enclosure for Potto.

Also in this section, there are netted enclosures for Rhinoceros Hornbill, Ocelot, Gibbons, Toco Toucan and Sand Cat (?).

Overall, I was surprised by the centre and would probably give it a 6 or 7 out of 10. One of my main gripes is that it is so un-photogenic. Almost every enclosure has a net or bar barrier in the way so most of my photos are not particularly good (even worse than they would have been!).

Sorry that was so long but I wanted to give people a feel of the place and show them that it was not as bad as some (who mostly haven't visited the place) have been saying, in my opinion at least. It is suprisingly well themed, and most of the animals appeared healthy and active.

I will report back tomorrow on Howletts, hopefully with the answers to your questions.

Photos to come.
 
@redpanda: thank you for taking the time to type out comprehensive reviews from your mini-zoo trip, and it is something that many overseas visitors appreciate. You have said that there are a number of exhibits that are extremely unphotogenic at the locations that you visited (particularly RSCC) but I still look forward to the photos in the ZooChat gallery.:)
 
Okay, thanks for the review. I am puzzled, however, by your overall assessment (quite positive) when you point out the inadequacies of almost all the major exhibits: binturongs, singing dogs, jaguarundis, gibbons, fossa, tamarins, snow leopards, tapirs...????
 
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