European (Tea)Cup - League C - Beauval vs Burgers

Beauval vs Burgers - LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN

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This should be an interesting one - Beauval is all-but-certain to progress to the next round at this point, but this time it faces a collection which is generally regarded as one of the strongest in Europe where exhibit-by-exhibit quality is concerned. Can Burgers stop the winning streak of the French collection and strengthen its own chances?

The category of LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN will determine the answer.
 
A general reminder that the geographic remit of this category basically covers the entirety of the Americas barring the USA and Canada - so in other words Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean and South America.

Although Burgers perhaps doesn't have a massive *quantity* of category exhibits, I would argue that it more than compensates with the quality and scale of those exhibits it *does* have... bearing in mind the fact that Bush, Desert and Mangrove are all eligible to greater or lesser degrees. As such, pending further arguments which may lead me to switch to Beauval or strengthen my pro-Burgers position I shall open things up with a 3:2 vote for the Dutch collection :)
 
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Burgers is a high quality establishment and most likely all the mentioned exhibits have something to fit in this category, but for me the Beauval' collection and mainly the biggest in Europe South American Aviary with nearly 500 birds, including huge flock of free-flyng Caribbean Flamingos is difficult to mach.

I will start with 3:2 for Beauval and looking forward to the debate.
 
Burgers is a high quality establishment and most likely all the mentioned exhibits have something to fit in this category, but for me the Beauval' collection and mainly the biggest in Europe South American Aviary with nearly 500 birds, including huge flock of free-flyng Caribbean Flamingos is difficult to mach.

I will start with 3:2 for Beauval and looking forward to the debate.

I seem to recall that @lintworm has significant issues with the aviary complex to which you refer, which I imagine he will be discussing at great length soon enough :D:p
 
I seem to recall that @lintworm has significant issues with the aviary complex to which you refer, which I imagine he will be discussing at great length soon enough :D:p

First things first, before we get there I will be visiting Burgers' today ;).

This is easily Burgers' strongest geographical category. Only 4 exhibit complexes count but they include:
-A 1.3 hectare rainforest, of whom over half of the inhabitants fit this category
- The largest indoor desert in the world based on the Sonoran and Mojave desert where the vast majority of inhabitants count
- The Mangrove, which is one of the very best invertebrate displays in Europe and has a good manatee pool and rare birds to boot
- A primate enclosure that offers their inhabitants relatively more space than any of the primate exhibits in Beauval does.
 
Been to both zoos but haven’t seen the Dome and S.A. Aviary at Beauval in person. But based on what I have seen myself and what I know about those two exhibits, I am finding it quite difficult to look past Burgers’ here.

The Mangrove with its mudflat for Fiddler Crabs, excellent manatee pool and free-ranging birds, butterflies and lizards counts in its entirety, as does the in situ work in Belize which it commemorates. The Desert, the largest indoor desert in the world with pinpoint geographical accuracy and several rarities such as free-ranging Montezuma Quail and Ringtails in the nearby tunnels, counts fully as well. The Bush isn’t a geo-display, but there are several Latin American inhabitants, including Screaming Piha, and that exhibit needs no introduction. Elsewhere is one of my absolute favourite parts of Burgers’, the mixed-species Peruvian Squirrel Monkey and South American Coati enclosure with a network of mature trees that I would estimate are all upwards of 20 metres high. All four of these complexes single-handed exceed anything at Beauval, even if the numerical advantage is in the French side’s favour.

For now, I don’t think it should be much more than a 3-2 Burgers’, with Beauval having a delightful Pampas enclosure, manatees of its own (albeit in a far worse pool), Harpy Eagles, several relevant species including Andean Cock-of-the-rock in its excellent bird house, and even if there are serious landscaping issues in the new Aviary, the amount of flight space it offers its inhabitants is very commendable.
 
Here comes the expected Burgers' Zoo post.

It is just as easy to just copy stuff from the must see exhibits thread here:

14. Burgers’ Bush
Burgers’ Zoo, Arnhem, the Netherlands
Opened: 1988
Size: 14.000 square metres
Inhabitants: roughly 50 species, including aardvark, small-clawed otter, Rodriquez fruit bats, >35 bird species and a range of reptiles, amphibians and fish (and 1000+ plant species, as it is also a botanical garden)


Even after close to 35 years, the Bush is still a landmark in the European zoo landscape. What started as the first large-scale experiment at recreating an ecosystem in a zoo, is still one of Europe’s leading exhibits. Several large rainforest halls have been built since, but none have quite matched the wild rainforest feeling, as they are often somewhat cleaner interpretations. It is also still the only one that expects its visitors to explore the place, as there is a large trail network instead of following one fixed route. Despite this dense network, smart landscaping and planting means the cross-viewing is very limited, giving the hall an even larger feel. The only main drawback is that the roof doesn’t exceed 20 metres above the ground, and is often lower, due to building regulations. There is no specific theme, though the vegetation is neatly divided in an Asian, African and S-American section, but the free-ranging animals naturally don’t keep to those areas. Not only are there over 40 free-ranging animals to find, including many rarities, but many have seen breeding success here too. This is really a hall where one has to look for the animals, as there are only a few enclosures dotted around. With some patience and spotting skills you could spend hours here, and one should as this exhibit only shows it’s secrets after a lot of patience. With Dracaena bushii, this is probably also the only zoo exhibit which has a species named after it. One can only imagine how the Bush could have looked if the original plans, which were twice the size, could have been realised.

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With regards to S-American inhabitants, roughly 1/3 of the hall has S-American planting, including a significant collection of Aristolochia and there are 3 exhibits within the hall that are American. These are a red-footed tortoise exhibit, the former caiman exhibit (temporarily without the caiman), but still houses 6 S-American fish species and the capybara & yellow-spotted river turtle exhibit (with pacu & red-tailed catfish in the water). The free-ranging species that count for this category are:

Seba's short-tailed bat

Scarlet ibis
Sun bittern
Crested quail dove
American black vulture
Red-rumped cacique
Montserrat oriole
Screaming piha
Spangled cotinga
Purple honeycreeper
Brazilian tanager
Paradise tanager
Turquoise tanager
Violaceous euphonia
Chestnut-bellied seedfinch
Blue-backed grassquit
Rose-bellied bunting

Green iguana
Guadeloupe anole
Plumed basilisk
Montserrat whistling frog

The anoles and frogs number in the thousands. The bird collection is quite choice and with all species bar the paradise & turquoise tanager and the American black vultures (of which they only house 2 males) they have had breeding success. Of the scarlet ibis they currently keep a bachelor group, but breeding used to happen in the past.

Then on to the Desert:

32. Burgers’ Desert
Burgers’ Zoo, Arnhem, the Netherlands
Opened: 1994
Size: 6000 square metres
Inhabitants: large variety of Sonoran/American desert mammals, birds and some ectotherms


After creating a rainforest replica, Burgers’ Zoo raised the bar and set out to recreate a desert. Designing an immersive environment that faithfully represents such an open landscape is challenging, but they largely succeeded in avoiding any cross-viewing (designers of Beauval should take note). Unsurprisingly the Desert has hardly been copied, given the difficulty of creating a large varied environment. Contrary to the Bush the Desert focuses on one specific location, the Sonora and Mojave desert of Northern Mexico and Southern USA. Apart from the high attention to detail in the landscaping, there is also a quite faithful representation in terms of animal species kept. Apart from a few exceptions, most animals are native to the represented ecosystem. Given the paucity of N-American animals in European collections, this naturally means that the Desert houses more zoo rarities than the majority of zoos on the continent (4 of the bird species kept are unique for European zoos). To maintain such a unique collection, several bird and mammal species are kept in larger numbers behind the scenes to maintain a breeding population, and there is close collaboration with dedicated private keepers. Now approaching it’s 30th birthday, the building has held up remarkably well and is still a unique sight in the European zoo landscape.

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This is the current line-up in terms of free-ranging species:
Turkey vulture
Gambell's quail
Montezuma quail
Blue-winged teal
West-Peruvian dove (signed as white-winged dove)
Socorro dove
Common ground dove
Painted bunting
Rose-bellied bunting
Yellow grosbeak
Ultramarine grosbeak
American goldfinch
Grey cardinal
Black-breasted grosbeak

The vast majority of these species are big rarities in Europe, but are bred annually here. Side enclosures hold:

Ringtail (Burgers' Zoo was the only zoo to breed these in Europe in the past 20 years or so)
North American porcupine
Black-tailed prairie dog
Collared peccary
Merriam's kangaroo rat
Cactus mouse
Hispid cotton rat

Greater roadrunner
Burrowing owl
Mexican housefinch
Orange-breasted bunting

Gila monster
Red diamond rattlesnake
Milk snake
Colorado river toad
Red-knee tarantula

Another choice line-up and the zoo is heavily invested in being able to continuously show the rarer species. So apart from the on show animals, kangaroo rats and cactus mouse have off-show breeding rooms and Burgers' Zoo is the number 1 breeder of greater roadrunner in Europe (though for the first time in ages they only keep 1 pair + the chick from last year and no additional pairs).

The tunnel connecting the Bush and the Desert also has a rather nice set up for blind cavefish:
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Then there is the Mangrove:

88. Burgers’ Mangrove
Burgers’ Zoo, Arnhem, the Netherlands
Opened: 2017
Size: 3000 square metres
Inhabitants: Caribbean manatee, fiddler crabs, horseshoe crabs and a large variety of butterflies, birds, fish and some reptiles.


As earlier projects have shown, a Burgers’ Zoo project tends to get better with age and nowhere is it as easy to see this process as in the Mangrove. Even though this is clearly one of the better zoo developments of the past 5 years, it is only now that it is really showing what it is set to become. With the vegetation slowly maturing, new species are slowly added to complete the system and some obvious cross viewing issues are slowly disappearing. It will still be years though before the building is in its prime. The Mangrove follows a journey through the ecosystems of the Shipstern Reserve in Belize, which Burgers’ Zoo bought together with Papiliorama, Kerzers, Switzerland 30 years ago. There are basically three areas in the building, each with their own star species: the Mangrove and its mudflat with fiddler crabs, a freshwater creek with manatees and the dry tropical forest with butterflies. While manatees and butterflies always fascinate regular zoo visitors, it is the fiddler crabs that are the real stars here. By keeping a large group on an even larger mudflat, there is always something going on and it is an exhibit most people spend a lot of time observing. It takes some guts to go all-in on such an obscure species, but with Europe’s first zoo breeding they are on the right track. Zoo nerds aren’t forgotten either, as a focus on Central American birds and fish has already brought in some rarities, most of which are breeding already. From a landscaping perspective, this might be Burgers’ weakest hall, but given the size and round shape that might be unavoidable. The walls are never far away from the visitor path, so there is always a reminder you are in the zoo. Ignoring the walls there is however so much to explore and to look forward to, that the only conclusion is that they did it again…

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The current line-up of free-ranging species is the following:

Crested bobwhite
West Peruvian dove
Blue ground dove
Red-legged honeycreeper
Blue-backed grassquit
Indigo bunting
Ruddy-breasted seedeater
Violaceous euphonia
Bay-headed tanager

Striped basilisk
Allison's anole
White-throated gecko

Again a choice collection with significant breeding success of the majority of species.

It is worth highlighting the sheer quality of the mudflat enclosure. It is an extremely engaging display, mostly because of the many fiddler crabs (the vast majority is however a W-African/European species, the American ones have almost all died out). But with a side pool with upside-down jellyfish and the main area also inhabited by four-eyed fish, surgeonfish, molly and horseshoe crabs (if you are lucky enough to see them), this is one of my favourite exhibits in the zoo. For the crabs the exhibit is self-sustaining, the sun provides ample algae growth, so they have never had to be fed by the keepers.
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The manatee pool is not shabby either at 1 million litres with a variety of depths and multiple cichlid species + tropical gar as natural predators.

The final S-American exhibit is inhabited by a male group of Peruvian squirrel monkeys and a few old ring-tailed coati. It is a well-planted exhibit of 950 square metres which included multiple mature oak trees which both species take full advantage of:
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Overall there is a lot of very high quality here and especially in terms of landscaping, Beauval just cannot compare. The animal collection might not be very large, but especially when it comes to birds it is a choice collection. It is also worth noting that the majority of those rarities are kept in sizable numbers and breeding success is very high with Burgers' being the only reason multiple species are around in other zoos too. A prime example is painted bunting, of which the zoo currently keeps 26 individuals and it breeds some 10-20 of them annually, which are often sent to other zoos where no long term success is managed (like Beauval...). Burgers' Zoo deliberately chooses to keep fewer species than it possibly could (which sometimes frustrates me), but by going all-in on the species it selects, it can in many cases keep even short-lived small passerine species in the collection for decades with good breeding results.
 
Looking at the gallery and reading the posts (having visited neither collection), have gone 3/2 Burgers on the basis of the desert, mangrove and the impressive exhibit for the squirrel monkeys and coatis and because I would really enjoy those free ranging birds displayed like that. I also enjoy the idea of a zoo creating a self sustaining mangrove for some of it's residents, that speaks to a real passion for exhibitry and husbandry.
 
We've already heard from @twilighter - but perhaps @pipaluk and/or @Jogy may have something to say which will encourage people to switch their allegiance to Beavual?
 
I know both zoos reasonably well and have just been to Burgers last summer again.

While I really love the Mangroove and the Ocean I'm not such a big fan of Dessert and Bush - knowing that they represent great settings and vegatation and also exclusive birds in exclusive bio-zones I'd love to see a few more animals in there (e.g. some more ecotherms in the Bush or overall a bit more 'life' in the Dessert). Also the exchange of bighorn sheep to pekaries at the dessert was reducing the 'wow-factor' for me.

On the other hand I really like to huge South American aviary and the huge collection of Latin America animals in mostly reasonably good to nice enclosures.

The manatee pool at the dome is likely too crowded - however one of the main reasons for that is that they had incredible success with breeding there over the last years.

I've checked Zootierliste for mammal species (no guarantee that it is complete) and believe Beauval has an really impressive collection:
  • Lowland tapir
  • Jaguar
  • Puma
  • Paraquay-Tamandua
  • Golden lion tamarin
  • Golden-headed lion tamarin
  • Bolivian monkey (Saimiri)
  • Patagonian mara
  • Big hairy armadillo
  • Golden-bellied capuchin
  • Giant anteater
  • Capybara
  • West Indian manatee
  • Colombian spider monkey
  • Cotton-top tamarin
  • Giant otter
  • White-lipped tamarin
  • South American coati
  • Coppery titi monkey
  • Golden-handed tamarin
  • Bearded emperor tamarin
  • Silvery marmoset
  • Goeldi's marmoset
  • Pygmy marmoset
  • Azara's agouti
  • Southern three-banded armadillo
  • Venezuelan red howler
  • White-faced saki
  • Two-toed sloth
I've not checked the bird list - however with the huge aviary, the harpy eagles or the vast collection of other birds across the zoo I believe this is also not to be underestimated.

Sorry to say but for me it is a win for Beauval and mainly because of the amazing Mangroove I'm not voting 4-1 but stay with 3-2
 
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I think this round of the cup illustrates well the debate on a couple of the other threads about quantity over quality.

Not suggesting Beauval lacks quality in itself incidentally but in direct comparison in this case Burgers appears to focus on fewer better exhibits and so it’s an interesting choice.

I’m still really impressed by the few standout exhibits but good to hear the ‘other side’ I do think the large aviary at Beauval brings it up beyond having just one point but I am quite taken by the Burgers ‘all in’ exhibitory in this category I have to say.

Looking from the outside of zoo chat you might be lead to believe everyone thinks the same (‘they like zoos!’) but far from it. Makes it interesting to be a part of.
 
I am really surprised this isn't closer than it is, a 3-2 vote either way I think is fair enough, depending what impresses you more.
This is clearly a strong category for Burgers but the 4-1 votes indicate people think Beauval is weak in it, which simply is not the case. As shown earlier Beauval would have more than enough to beat most others comfortably. Beauval's exhibits are nearly all of a high standard, the jaguar and puma exhibits are perhaps not the best, but they are certainly well above average in comparison to others I've seen for the species ( and at least they have them).
 
I'm giving 3-2 to Burgers here. Maybe it has to do that I'm a big fan of well-done indoor habitats, and the level of exhibitry and inmersion at Burgers it's quite splendid. And given the fact that those exhibits hold some rare birds and rare mammals is a plus. The mangrove is one, if not, the best manatee habitat for the species in Europe in my opinion, and the crab exhibit there is sounds fun with the changes of the tide. The squirrel monkey and coati habitat seems realy spacious and very lush, wich isn't always the case with small primates. Great to see they have access to the trees! Obviously Beuval has a great dome, but I think that the inmersion isn't realy pulled-off as great as the Bush or Mangrove, and that's a thing I think that can summarize this match. Beuval has mid-good exhibits while all of the exhibits at Burgers are high quality.
I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to ask, but @Haliaeetus why did you voted 3-0 to Beauval? Maybe a fan of the zoo could provide us with reasons to vote Beauval, as you may have very good arguments that could change the flow of the votes (but I feel 3-0 is a bit extreme for both zoos :p).
 
When we add the California sea lion, the Latin American mammal collection at Beauval reach the number 30 and most are living in very good to excellent conditions. Is there zoo in Europe with a bigger number ? With the extensive Bird, Reptile and Amphibian list of species, they probably have one of the biggest vertebrate South American collection outside the native continent.

Manatee deep pool is probably overstocked, but is definitely one of the best on the continent and with proven record. 3 births just in 2023.

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The Equatorial Dome offers many more South American experiences, like exhibits for Piranha, Cuviers Caiman, Yellow anaconda/Rio Cauca caecilian, Poison dart frogs and Tamandua/Squirrel Monkey Walkthrough exhibit.


Also Giant Otters exhibit
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The South American Pampas mixed exhibit with Lowland Tapirs, Capybaras, Maras, Rhea and various SA ducks also deserves recognition:

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South American Aviary needs time to flourish, but 100 strong Carebeen Flamingos in a free-flight are spectacular sight that few zoos in the World can offer.

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Andean Condor and Harpy Eagle aviaries are another great steps forward from Beauval:

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Both the Puma's and Jaguar exhibits were renovated and more space and enrichments have been added:
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Primates were discussed at the previous game

In addition to the Bird Show and SA Aviary there are free flying birds, together with Sloth and Armadillos at the Bird Tropical Greenhouse. Andean cock-of-the-rock been the highlight there. Also at various locations throughout the Zoo:

Brasil Aviary
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Both the Puma's and Jaguar exhibits were renovated and more space and enrichments have been added:
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Primates were discussed at the previous game

In addition to the Bird Show and SA Aviary there are free flying birds, together with Sloth and Armadillos at the Bird Tropical Greenhouse. Andean cock-of-the-rock been the highlight there. Also at various locations throughout the Zoo:

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Thanks! While I'm not going to be very critical with the habitat for felids, I think they're a weak spot for the place. Obviously they don't seem bad with grass, waterfalls and climbing structures; but it seem a bit tight in space, tho you've said that both exhibis had a renovation so maybe things are bit better. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of metal bars, I much prefer wire mesh. Or just have glass windows.
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Both exhibits are for animals that Burgers also holds and I do think that compared to what I think is a very good exhibit this ones seem less natural. The squirrel monkey habitat is adequate, but the coati is a tight in space and I'm not always a fun of exhibits that are surrounded by visitors.
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Having access to the trees is very good, not all primates exhibits offer that to primates. The exhibit feels very natural, and both animals could be outside and still hide from visitors.
So yes, Beauval has a bit the advantage on the species, but exhibitry and rare species do it for me.
Credit to @twilighter @lintworm @Mr Gharial for the photos.
 
Beauval's bird list according to ZTL is over 90 species:

American black vulture (Coragyps atratus)
American flamingo (Caribbean flamingo) (Red flamingo) (Phoenicopterus ruber ruber)
Andean condor (Vultur gryphus)
Bare-faced curassow (Crax fasciolata (Syn.: Crax sclateri))
Black-bellied whistling-duck (Black-bellied tree duck) (No Subspecific status) (Dendrocygna autumnalis)
Black-chested buzzard-eagle (Grey buzzard-eagle) (Chilean blue eagle) (Geranoaetus melanoleucus)
Black-crowned night heron (Nominate subspecies) (Nycticorax nycticorax nycticorax)
Black-faced ibis (Theristicus melanopis (Syn.: Theristicus melanopis melanopis) (Syn.: Theristicus caudatus melanopis))
Black-headed parrot (Black-capped caique) (Black-crowned parrot) (No Subspecific status) (Pionites melanocephalus (Syn.: Pionites melanocephala))
Black-necked stilt (Himantopus mexicanus mexicanus (Syn.: Himantopus himantopus mexicanus))
Black-necked swan (Cygnus melancoryphus (Syn.: Cygnus melanocoryphus) (Syn.: Sthenelides melancoryphus))
Blue ground-dove (Ashy dove) (Cinereous dove) (Claravis pretiosa (Syn.: Peristera cinerea))
Blue-and-yellow macaw (Blue-and-gold macaw) (Ara ararauna)
Blue-crowned hanging parrot (Blue-topped hanging-parrot) (Loriculus galgulus)
Blue-headed macaw (Coulon's macaw) (Primolius couloni (Syn.: Ara couloni) (Syn.: Propyrrhura couloni))
Blue-throated macaw (Wagler's macaw) (Ara glaucogularis (Syn.: Ara caninde))
Blue-throated piping-guan (Venezuelan blue-throated piping-guan) (White-headed piping-guan) (Pipile cumanensis (Syn.: Aburria cumanensis cumanensis) (Syn.: Pipile pipile cumanensis))
Blue-winged macaw (Illiger's macaw) (Primolius maracana (Syn.: Ara maracana) (Syn.: Propyrrhura maracana))
Blue-winged teal (Spatula discors (Syn.: Anas discors))
Brazilian tanager (Scarlet tanager) (Ramphocelus bresilia (Syn.: Ramphocelus carbo bresilius))
Brazilian teal (No Subspecific status) (Amazonetta brasiliensis)
Burrowing parrot (Burrowing parakeet) (Patagonian conure) (No Subspecific status) (Cyanoliseus patagonus)
Chaco chachalaca (Ortalis canicollis)
Channel-billed toucan (Nominate subspecies) (Ramphastos vitellinus vitellinus)
Chestnut-fronted macaw (Ara severus (Syn.: Ara severa))
Chiloe wigeon (Mareca sibilatrix (Syn.: Anas sibilatrix))
Collared trogon (Trogon collaris)
Common mallard (Northern mallard duck) (Anas platyrhynchos platyrhynchos)
Coscoroba swan (Coscoroba coscoroba)
Crested bobwhite (No Subspecific status) (Colinus cristatus)
Crested caracara (Caracara plancus (Syn.: Polyborus plancus) (sensu lato))
Cuban amazon (Eastern Cuban amazon) (Cuban parrot) (Amazona leucocephala leucocephala (Syn.: Amazona leucocephala palmarum))
Double yellow-headed amazon (Amazona oratrix oratrix)
Eastern brown pelican (Pelecanus occidentalis carolinensis)
Elegant crested tinamou (Eudromia elegans)
Ferruginous hawk (Ferruginous roughleg) (Buteo regalis)
Fulvous whistling-duck (Fulvous tree duck) (Dendrocygna bicolor (Syn.: Dendrocygna fulva))
Golden parakeet (Golden conure) (Guaruba guarouba (Syn.: Aratinga guarouba))
Great curassow (Nominate subspecies) (Crax rubra rubra (Syn.: Crax globicera) (Syn.: Crax panamensis))
Great green macaw (Buffon's macaw) (No Subspecific status) (Ara ambiguus (Syn.: Ara ambigua))
Great horned owl (Tiger owl) (No Subspecific status) (Bubo virginianus)
Green aracari (Pteroglossus viridis (Syn.: Pteroglossus viridis viridis))
Green-backed heron (No Subspecific status) (Butorides striata (Syn.: Butorides striatus))
Green-winged macaw (Red-and-green macaw) (Ara chloropterus (Syn.: Ara chloroptera))
Grey-winged trumpeter (Common trumpeter) (No Subspecific status) (Psophia crepitans)
Harpy Eagle (Harpia harpyja)
Harris's hawk (Bay-winged hawk) (no subspecific status) (Parabuteo unicinctus)
Humboldt penguin (Spheniscus humboldti)
Hyacinth macaw (Anodorhynchus hyacinthinus)
King vulture (Sarcoramphus papa)
Lake duck (Argentine ruddy duck) (Argentine blue-billed duck) (Oxyura vittata)
Lesser rhea (Darwin`s rhea) (Rhea pennata (Syn.: Pterocnemia pennata))
Lesser white-fronted amazon (Amazona albifrons nana)
Lilacine amazon (Ecuadorian red-lored amazon) (Amazona lilacina (Syn.: Amazona autumnalis lilacina))
Maguari stork (Ciconia maguari)
Muscovy duck (Cairina moschata)
Northern Helmeted curassow (Mérida helmeted curassow) (Pauxi pauxi pauxi)
Northern red-fan parrot (Northern hawk-headed parrot) (Deroptyus accipitrinus accipitrinus)
Ochre-marked parakeet (Blue-throated conure) (Blue-throated parakeet) (Pyrrhura cruentata)
Painted bunting (Passerina ciris)
Patagonian crested duck (Lophonetta specularioides specularioides (Syn.: Anas specularioides specularioides))
Peruvian Andean cock-of-the-rock (Rupicola peruvianus peruvianus)
Pink-backed pelican (Pelecanus rufescens)
Puna ibis (Plegadis ridgwayi)
Puna teal (Spatula puna (Syn.: Anas puna) (Syn.: Anas versicolor puna) (Syn.: Punanetta puna))
Red shoveler (Argentine shoveler) (Spatula platalea (Syn.: Anas platalea))
Red-crowned amazon (Green-cheeked amazon) (Red-crowned parrot) (Amazona viridigenalis)
Red-fronted macaw (Ara rubrogenys)
Red-legged honeycreeper (Cyanerpes cyaneus)
Red-legged seriema (Crested seriema) (Cariama cristata)
Red-tailed amazon (Amazona brasiliensis)
Ring-necked duck (Ring-billed duck) (Aythya collaris)
Ringed teal (Red-shouldered teal) (Ring-necked teal) (Callonetta leucophrys)
Roseate spoonbill (Platalea ajaja (Syn.: Ajaia ajaja))
Rosy-billed pochard (Rosybill) (Netta peposaca (Syn.: Metopiana peposaca))
Scarlet ibis (Eudocimus ruber)
Scarlet macaw (Red-and-yellow macaw) (Ara macao)
Silver teal (Versicolor teal) (No Subspecific status) (Spatula versicolor (Syn.: Anas versicolor) (Syn.: Punanetta versicolor))
Southern boat-billed heron (Cochlearius cochlearius cochlearius)
Southern screamer (Crested screamer) (Chauna torquata (Syn.: Chauna cristata))
Speckled teal (Chilean teal) (Anas flavirostris flavirostris)
Spectacled owl (No Subspecific status) (Pulsatrix perspicillata (Syn.: Strix perspicillata))
Sun parakeet (Sun conure) (Aratinga solstitialis)
Sunbittern (No Subspecific status) (Eurypyga helias)
Toco toucan (No Subspecific status) (Ramphastos toco)
Ultramarine grosbeak (Brazilian blue grosbeak) (Cyanoloxia brissonii (Syn.: Cyanocompsa brissonii) (Syn.: Cyanoloxia cyanea))
Upland goose (Magellan goose) (No Subspecific status) (Chloephaga picta)
Wattled jacana (Jacana jacana)
White-cheeked pintail (Bahama pintail) (No Subspecific status) (Anas bahamensis)
White-faced whistling-duck (White-faced tree duck) (Dendrocygna viduata)
Yellow-knobbed curassow (Crax daubentoni)
Yellow-shouldered amazon (Yellow-shouldered parrot) (Amazona barbadensis)
 
Also at various locations throughout the Zoo:
Brasil Aviary
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Green Aracari (first)
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Whereabouts in the zoo are these? I have no memory of them and they look rather nice.

I still feel confident that Burgers' is superior because its enclosures are so innovative, so evocative, and so unique. Nothing at Beauval quite matches the genius of the Mangrove or the awe of the Bush. However, it really is very close, and I think the seven 4-1 Burgers' votes are unmerited and dismissive of Beauval's larger and equally rarity-packed collection with consistently good exhibits, some of which arguably exceed Burgers' purely from an animal's perspective . Believe it or not, the S.A. Aviary is bigger than the Bush by area and presumably by volume too; say what you like about the landscaping but the flight space is remarkable. Similarly, compare Beauval's huge and beautiful Pampas exhibit to the tiny barren grotto in the Bush and tell me where would you rather be a Capybara. Yes, Burgers' is ahead, but it is more of a 5-4 than a 4-1 in my opinion.

My question then is this: would it be fair play to switch to 3-2 Beauval to balance out the percentages towards what I deem a more accurate scoreline? Asking before I do so, because I completely understand if that goes against the rules of fair play, but if it doesn't then I am quite tempted. Obviously, if I am permitted to do this, and some of the 4-1 voters switch to 3-2, then I too will revert my vote to the original 3-2 Burgers'.

Or alternatively, could some of the 4-1 voters elaborate on why they feel that all of Beauval's high-quality offerings deserve only a single point? I am not sure we have heard from any of them yet, and I am starting to get a feeling that the same 'bias against Beauval's exhibits' which @pipaluk and myself discussed in previous threads is coming into play again. I will feel much more content with a comfortable Burgers' win should a little more explanation be provided. :)
 
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