Auckland Zoo Ideas for the South America Rainforest Trail (fantasy)

I wonder, in hindsight, if it might've been a better idea for Auckland Zoo to build a tropical dome based around South American rather than Southeast Asian fauna. This isn't intended as a knock on their current tropical dome - I haven't had the chance to visit it yet myself, but I've only heard good things about it. However, the rest of their Southeast Asian precinct holds up quite well on its own, so maybe it would've been a good idea to build the dome for South America instead to flesh out that precinct. Plus, since Jaguars can't be imported into Australasia and other species of South American megafauna like tapir would be quite difficult to obtain, perhaps it would've been a better idea to have a South American precinct focused on smaller tropical animals like reptiles, fish and inverts. Since it couldn't compete with the Asian and African precincts on megafauna, why not try something else entirely?

Looking over what South American species would be available for a tropical dome, I think you could do something quite similar to the exisiting dome: aquaria full of Amazonian fish species and a crocodilian (perhaps indoor facilities for the alligators), and if you wanted to go beyond that you could house the tarantulas in their own terraria, perhaps alongside couple of reptiles like Green Iguana or Plumed Basilisk, and have various kinds of South American butterflies fluttering through the air - the latter would be a good substitute for the birds that sadly can't be imported. A number of South American mammals would make for good occupants too - agoutis, tamarins, marmosets, squirrel monkeys or any combination thereof are already in the country, and Auckland Zoo applied for White-Faced Saki to be added to the Live Import list a few years ago. I imagine the dome would have to be partitioned into a couple of different sections to safely accomodate all these species without conflict, perhaps ending up as more of a tropical hall, but the end result could be spectacular! A slice of the Amazon in the middle of New Zealand.

Of course, there would be difficulties with a South American dome too. No South American turtle species can be imported into NZ at the present time, and while a couple of tortoise species from the region are on the Live Import list - red-footed and yellow-footed tortoises would be particularly good additions - they have no valid IHS, and Auckland Zoo's had a great deal of trouble getting an IHS for Southeast Asian testudines, likely due to fears of feral populations being established in Auckland waterways. I don't live in Auckland, but I understand the council up there has been having trouble with red-eared sliders. Ironically, sliders or a couple of other North American turtle species could be used as substitutes. The resulting dome would technically be neotropical rather than strictly South American, but Auckland Zoo might not mind that, as they already have alligators in that precinct.

Additionally, Butterfly Creek might resent Auckland Zoo having butterflies on display, so it might be wiser for Auckland to restrict themselves to fish and crocodilians like in their current tropical dome.

Some of the more exotic South American fish species would be great additions, but the only such animals held in the country recently were piranha, and there don't seem to be any left. They don't have any valid IHS, and as we've recently discussed on this board they may well have been soft-banned from the country.

Ultimately all this is just fantasy - I highly doubt any zoo would go to the trouble of building two tropical domes even if they could afford it. I'm just wondering if this might have been a better policy decision ten years ago. Ah well, too late now.

Auckland Zoo began planning for the tropical dome in the early 2010’s with an application made in 2013 to import the following species:

https://www.epa.govt.nz/assets/File...PP203434-APP203434-Application-form-FINAL.pdf

False gharial
Southern river terrapin
Northern river terrapin
Painted terrapin
Amboina box turtle
Giant Asian pond turtle
Spiny turtle
Sulawesi forest turtle
Malaysian giant turtle
Asian forest turtle

The False gharial were always intended to be the star of the show; but I know many of us were disappointed that not a single one of the terrapins or turtles listed here have been added to the dome. When the dome opened with just False gharial and fish, it was hoped they may have been a later addition - but nearly three years on and there’s no indication anything else will be added.

A tropical dome would undoubtedly enhance the South American zone; although it would be redundant in the housing of primates, which live outside all year round at Auckland Zoo. Ultimately it would likely mean the addition of a caiman and some fish, so not much beyond the South East Asian representation.
 
Auckland Zoo began planning for the tropical dome in the early 2010’s with an application made in 2013 to import the following species:

https://www.epa.govt.nz/assets/File...PP203434-APP203434-Application-form-FINAL.pdf

False gharial
Southern river terrapin
Northern river terrapin
Painted terrapin
Amboina box turtle
Giant Asian pond turtle
Spiny turtle
Sulawesi forest turtle
Malaysian giant turtle
Asian forest turtle

The False gharial were always intended to be the star of the show; but I know many of us were disappointed that not a single one of the terrapins or turtles listed here have been added to the dome. When the dome opened with just False gharial and fish, it was hoped they may have been a later addition - but nearly three years on and there’s no indication anything else will be added.

A tropical dome would undoubtedly enhance the South American zone; although it would be redundant in the housing of primates, which live outside all year round at Auckland Zoo. Ultimately it would likely mean the addition of a caiman and some fish, so not much beyond the South East Asian representation.

Do you think a tropical dome or hall would be good for housing primates in any of the more southerly zoos? I usually see larger primates housed outdoors, but tamarins and marmosets seem to often be kept in greenhouse-style enclosures.
 
Do you think a tropical dome or hall would be good for housing primates in any of the more southerly zoos? I usually see larger primates housed outdoors, but tamarins and marmosets seem to often be kept in greenhouse-style enclosures.

I could absolutely see value in that.

Auckland, Hamilton and Wellington Zoo all began by keeping their tamarins in greenhouse style exhibits. Wellington still does; and Hamilton’s is a glass fronted fully enclosed exhibits (as opposed to Auckland Zoo’s open air exhibit).

Above all else, I see value in zoos having the set up to house multiple pairs of Golden lion and Cotton-top tamarin. Mortality rate is high for infants (and even across all life stages), so having multiple adults on site offers contingencies for re-pairing animals at short notice.
 
Jaguar and Spectacled bear are the only South American species capable of elevating the precinct to the level of crowd appeal the African and South East Asian precincts attain

What about giant otters? They are the anchor species (along with jaguars) of the South America rain forest complex at the Los Angeles Zoo. Could giant otters be imported into New Zealand if somebody wanted to do that?
 
What about giant otters? They are the anchor species (along with jaguars) of the South America rain forest complex at the Los Angeles Zoo. Could giant otters be imported into New Zealand if somebody wanted to do that?

Unfortunately there’s not currently an Import Health Standard for this species; nor are they on New Zealand’s live import list. The Asian small-clawed otter is the only otter species approved for import into New Zealand (and widely supported within the region).

I agree they (and Jaguar) would make for an exciting addition to Auckland Zoo’s South American precinct though.

Thinking outside the box, it’s not beyond the realms to imagine Spectacled bear could one day come to New Zealand. The phase out of sun bear seems inevitable; with Spectaled or Sloth bear being the obvious choices for replacing them. Spectacled bear are held by 18 North American facilities; and 22 European facilities.
 
Unfortunately all otters are banned, apart from Asian Small Clawed Otters: https://www.epa.govt.nz/industry-areas/new-organisms/prohibited-organisms-in-new-zealand/#:~:text=Snakes, squirrels and sticklebacks are,field tested or released here. This list details all banned species and groups.

As far as South American anchor species go, the only species that actually be imported into NZ as of right now are pumas. South American tapirs are on the Live Import list, but lack a valid IHS. No caiman species are currently on the Live Import list, but it would be a simple matter to add them and the current Crocodilia IHS would automatically extend to them.

Do you think white-faced saki monkeys, ocelots, maned wolves, bushdogs and maras might make the import approval too?
 
What about giant otters? They are the anchor species (along with jaguars) of the South America rain forest complex at the Los Angeles Zoo. Could giant otters be imported into New Zealand if somebody wanted to do that?

Unfortunately all otters are banned, apart from Asian Small Clawed Otters: https://www.epa.govt.nz/industry-areas/new-organisms/prohibited-organisms-in-new-zealand/#:~:text=Snakes, squirrels and sticklebacks are,field tested or released here. This list details all banned species and groups.

As far as South American anchor species go, the only species that actually be imported into NZ as of right now are pumas. South American tapirs are on the Live Import list, but lack a valid IHS. No caiman species are currently on the Live Import list, but it would be a simple matter to add them and the current Crocodilia IHS would automatically extend to them.

EDIT: somehow accidentally deleted my post above lol. Reposting it down here.
 
Do you think white-faced saki monkeys, ocelots, maned wolves, bushdogs and maras might make the import approval too?

All of these are covered by both the Live Import list and various IHSs. Bush dogs have the complication that they're a CITES I species, and so can only be imported into the region if there's a breeding programme for them.

I should add that guanaco are already present in the country, on a number of small farms. I doubt they'll be of interest to Auckland, as they seem more interested in tropical South American species and in any case lack the space in that precinct, but I thought it was worth noting.
 
All of these are covered by both the Live Import list and various IHSs. Bush dogs have the complication that they're a CITES I species, and so can only be imported into the region if there's a breeding programme for them.

I should add that guanaco are already present in the country, on a number of small farms. I doubt they'll be of interest to Auckland, as they seem more interested in tropical South American species and in any case lack the space in that precinct, but I thought it was worth noting.

Oh awesome, so there are guanacos still in New Zealand, thats great.
 
Bush dogs have the complication that they're a CITES I species, and so can only be imported into the region if there's a breeding programme for them.
A breeding program for Bush Dogs is probably unlikely considering their status. I don't see there being many interest outside of that, ie. having them as just a display species.

However it is worth noting that with the Xenratha IRA being passed, there will likely be significant interest in South American precincts now, and the great potential of new breeding programs being formulated for species like Brazilian Tapir.
 
Auckland Zoo began planning for the tropical dome in the early 2010’s with an application made in 2013 to import the following species:

https://www.epa.govt.nz/assets/File...PP203434-APP203434-Application-form-FINAL.pdf

False gharial
Southern river terrapin
Northern river terrapin
Painted terrapin
Amboina box turtle
Giant Asian pond turtle
Spiny turtle
Sulawesi forest turtle
Malaysian giant turtle
Asian forest turtle

The False gharial were always intended to be the star of the show; but I know many of us were disappointed that not a single one of the terrapins or turtles listed here have been added to the dome. When the dome opened with just False gharial and fish, it was hoped they may have been a later addition - but nearly three years on and there’s no indication anything else will be added.

A tropical dome would undoubtedly enhance the South American zone; although it would be redundant in the housing of primates, which live outside all year round at Auckland Zoo. Ultimately it would likely mean the addition of a caiman and some fish, so not much beyond the South East Asian representation.

Testudines in general are a real gap in our country's animal import legislation. More than a dozen species are on the Live Import list, but only two have a valid IHS: star tortoises and yellow-headed tortoises. The latter is a Southeast Asian species, so if all else fails Auckland could import these for its tropical dome. By contrast, all crocodiles and lizards on the Live Import list are covered by IHSs, and any new species added to the Live Import list would be added to the relevant IHS automatically.

I understand that a lot of local governments have (valid) concerns about feral turtle populations establishing themselves in the upper North Island, so any IHS for testudines would likely be more restrictive than those for crocodiles and lizards - I don't think anyone is concerned about, say, a feral population of crocodiles in Northland, lmao. Nevertheless, I think it would be good if MPI could clear up the import of status of testudines in the country, and explicitly ban the species it doesn't want while providing an IHS for the species it's willing to permit. Besides the Tropical Dome, Auckland would be able to use this to import new stock for its galapagos tortoise population! This probably isn't an immediate concern given how long they live, but it'd be good to have the option.
 
Testudines in general are a real gap in our country's animal import legislation. More than a dozen species are on the Live Import list, but only two have a valid IHS: star tortoises and yellow-headed tortoises. The latter is a Southeast Asian species, so if all else fails Auckland could import these for its tropical dome. By contrast, all crocodiles and lizards on the Live Import list are covered by IHSs, and any new species added to the Live Import list would be added to the relevant IHS automatically.
From memory, the tropical dome isn't really designed for any other species that can't cohabit with the Gharials. Not sure how well tortoises would do with the Gharials, but it's something worth considering.
 
Testudines in general are a real gap in our country's animal import legislation. More than a dozen species are on the Live Import list, but only two have a valid IHS: star tortoises and yellow-headed tortoises. The latter is a Southeast Asian species, so if all else fails Auckland could import these for its tropical dome. By contrast, all crocodiles and lizards on the Live Import list are covered by IHSs, and any new species added to the Live Import list would be added to the relevant IHS automatically.

I understand that a lot of local governments have (valid) concerns about feral turtle populations establishing themselves in the upper North Island, so any IHS for testudines would likely be more restrictive than those for crocodiles and lizards - I don't think anyone is concerned about, say, a feral population of crocodiles in Northland, lmao. Nevertheless, I think it would be good if MPI could clear up the import of status of testudines in the country, and explicitly ban the species it doesn't want while providing an IHS for the species it's willing to permit. Besides the Tropical Dome, Auckland would be able to use this to import new stock for its galapagos tortoise population! This probably isn't an immediate concern given how long they live, but it'd be good to have the option.
From memory, the tropical dome isn't really designed for any other species that can't cohabit with the Gharials. Not sure how well tortoises would do with the Gharials, but it's something worth considering.

The tropical dome has a number of tanks the False gharial don’t have access to, so it could be possible to introduce the turtles and terrapins (aquatic) to some of these exhibits.

The zoo has space to keep two adult male Galapagos giant tortoise seperate (with one held with the two adult females). The juveniles (if female) could be held with either group in time; but I’d anticipate the male juveniles would transfer out (to Ti Point most likely) in time.
 
The tropical dome has a number of tanks the False gharial don’t have access to, so it could be possible to introduce the turtles and terrapins (aquatic) to some of these exhibits.

The zoo has space to keep two adult male Galapagos giant tortoise seperate (with one held with the two adult females). The juveniles (if female) could be held with either group in time; but I’d anticipate the male juveniles would transfer out (to Ti Point most likely) in time.
That's true, I just didn't think they would be suitable for Tortoises mainly. It's a real shame more testudines aren't on the live import list, I've always felt NZ as a whole really lacks with it's reptile species.
 
That's true, I just didn't think they would be suitable for Tortoises mainly. It's a real shame more testudines aren't on the live import list, I've always felt NZ as a whole really lacks with it's reptile species.

It was interesting to see Komodo dragon were on the live import list as I’m unaware of them being imported in a historical context, suggested they may have been added in response to a resurgence of this species in Australian zoos. They’re a notable gap from New Zealand collections.

I’d like to see more reptiles (and am pleased Auckland Zoo are acquiring Frilled lizard); though reptiles we have are largely unappreciated by the general public. Even the Galapagos tortoise hatchlings receive little interest.
 
It was interesting to see Komodo dragon were on the live import list as I’m unaware of them being imported in a historical context, suggested they may have been added in response to a resurgence of this species in Australian zoos. They’re a notable gap from New Zealand collections.

I’d like to see more reptiles (and am pleased Auckland Zoo are acquiring Frilled lizard); though reptiles we have are largely unappreciated by the general public. Even the Galapagos tortoise hatchlings receive little interest.

That's probably the reason why NZ zoos have relatively small reptile collections: it's a lot of hassle to import even small, commonly available species and they don't have much draw with the general public, so why go to all that bother? That said, if there was one reptile species that did have draw, it'd be komodo dragons.

When I was browsing through older threads on this forum I read that pre-covid Auckland had ideas for a precinct called "Island Giants", which would exhibit komodo dragons and galapagos tortoises. I have no idea if this is still planned, and people on here didn't seem to think much of the idea at the time, but I think it could make for a good precinct if you added a lemur enclosure as well, turning it into more of a generic "Wild Islands" precinct. Auckland's got a lemur enclosure that's not part of any other precinct, so this could be a good fit for them. As an alternative, Auckland could also exhibit the komodo dragons somewhere in the Asian precinct, but as I haven't been up north for a while I don't know if where they could fit, if anywhere.
 
That's probably the reason why NZ zoos have relatively small reptile collections: it's a lot of hassle to import even small, commonly available species and they don't have much draw with the general public, so why go to all that bother? That said, if there was one reptile species that did have draw, it'd be komodo dragons.

When I was browsing through older threads on this forum I read that pre-covid Auckland had ideas for a precinct called "Island Giants", which would exhibit komodo dragons and galapagos tortoises. I have no idea if this is still planned, and people on here didn't seem to think much of the idea at the time, but I think it could make for a good precinct if you added a lemur enclosure as well, turning it into more of a generic "Wild Islands" precinct. Auckland's got a lemur enclosure that's not part of any other precinct, so this could be a good fit for them. As an alternative, Auckland could also exhibit the komodo dragons somewhere in the Asian precinct, but as I haven't been up north for a while I don't know if where they could fit, if anywhere.
That's a great idea and potentially an idea to consider for the Rainforest trail in the long term, which essentially neighbors the current Tortoise precinct.

Lemurs could fit into the current Spider Monkey enclosure without much need for renovation and the zoo could potentially build an exhibit for Komodos where the Saimang enclosure used to be.
 
That's probably the reason why NZ zoos have relatively small reptile collections: it's a lot of hassle to import even small, commonly available species and they don't have much draw with the general public, so why go to all that bother? That said, if there was one reptile species that did have draw, it'd be komodo dragons.

When I was browsing through older threads on this forum I read that pre-covid Auckland had ideas for a precinct called "Island Giants", which would exhibit komodo dragons and galapagos tortoises. I have no idea if this is still planned, and people on here didn't seem to think much of the idea at the time, but I think it could make for a good precinct if you added a lemur enclosure as well, turning it into more of a generic "Wild Islands" precinct. Auckland's got a lemur enclosure that's not part of any other precinct, so this could be a good fit for them. As an alternative, Auckland could also exhibit the komodo dragons somewhere in the Asian precinct, but as I haven't been up north for a while I don't know if where they could fit, if anywhere.

You’re absolutely right, I’d forgotten all about ‘Island Giants’. It’s been long abandoned, with the theme of the precinct now ‘South America.’ Technically, it should be ‘The Americas’ due to the American alligators from North America, but I won’t split hairs. The general public neither know or care.

In addition, the small number of holders limits the number of species we can hold. Sustainable populations need to be maintained and that requires either regular acquisitions or sustainable breeding unless it’s for a long-lived species like giant tortoise (Auckland’s import in the 80’s could see them through a century or more)!
 
That's a great idea and potentially an idea to consider for the Rainforest trail in the long term, which essentially neighbors the current Tortoise precinct.

Lemurs could fit into the current Spider Monkey enclosure without much need for renovation and the zoo could potentially build an exhibit for Komodos where the Saimang enclosure used to be.

Honestly, unless tapirs, xenarthrans or both are allowed to be imported at some point in the near future, I think Auckland Zoo's best option would be to turn the South American precinct into a more generic Rainforest or Tropical Forest precinct. It'd break with their biogeographic theming a bit, but if that wasn't a deal-breaker for them it'd be a lot easier to build up the precinct under current import legislation.

Some of the species mentioned, like galapagos tortoises, komodo dragons and ringtail lemurs, live in more open dry forests or thorny scrub forests, so perhaps the precinct could be called "tropical forests" and highlight the diversity of tropical forest ecosystems and their animals.
 
Honestly, unless tapirs, xenarthrans or both are allowed to be imported at some point in the near future, I think Auckland Zoo's best option would be to turn the South American precinct into a more generic Rainforest or Tropical Forest precinct. It'd break with their biogeographic theming a bit, but if that wasn't a deal-breaker for them it'd be a lot easier to build up the precinct under current import legislation.

Some of the species mentioned, like galapagos tortoises, komodo dragons and ringtail lemurs, live in more open dry forests or thorny scrub forests, so perhaps the precinct could be called "tropical forests" and highlight the diversity of tropical forest ecosystems and their animals.

I agree. The Rainforest originally opened to house Siamang and macaques from Asia; and various monkeys and tarantulas from South America. The Siamang pair raised several offspring in that exhibit, making it a hive of activity throughout the late 1990’s and early 2000’s.

New Zealand doesn’t currently have an IHS for tapir, but with renewed interest in Australia, it could follow.

I’ll otherwise be interested to see what happens with the lemur as with three elderly female RTL, the zoo has the option to phase out soon. Going back to 2014 and there was interest in acquiring Red ruffed lemur.
 
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