European (Tea)Cup - League B - Zagreb vs Budapest

Zagreb vs Budapest - MOUNTAINS AND POLES

  • Zagreb 5/0 Budapest

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Zagreb 4/1 Budapest

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Zagreb 3/2 Budapest

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • Budapest 3/2 Zagreb

    Votes: 7 70.0%

  • Budapest 4/1 Zagreb

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Budapest 5/0 Zagreb

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .
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Neither of the collections closing out League B will be progressing further, having each endured a fairly unlucky Cup - but there is one last chance for glory and recognition ahead of them, as they contend against one another within the category of MOUNTAINS AND POLES.

You have three days to discuss and debate amongst yourselves :)
 
Looking through ZTL, whilst neither have anything as insane as, say, T-Berlin has, Budapest does look to have a decent few more notable species that would qualify as mountain or polar, and that's even discarding the ones that "stretch". Like, I know the penguins they have are African, which aren't really "polar", but the family as a whole is just so associated with that region, and at least Budapest HAS penguins.
 
Rohin said:
I think that is irrelevant to the actual species of penguin. African penguins are not found in mountains or the poles, so this species shouldn't be factored in.
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Doesn't change the fact, however, that Budapest has several more species that ARE considered Mountain or Polar. You're missing the point of my post... with or without the tedious inclusions, Budapest on the surface has the better species list on paper.
 
CrashMegaraptor said:
Doesn't change the fact, however, that Budapest has several more species that ARE considered Mountain or Polar. You're missing the point of my post... with or without the tedious inclusions, Budapest on the surface has the better species list on paper.
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I do agree with that part of your post (which is also why I voted for Budapest), and I might be misinterpreting, but you saying "at least Budapest HAS penguins" made it sound like you were counting them in making your vote.
 
Rohin said:
I do agree with that part of your post (which is also why I voted for Budapest), and I might be misinterpreting, but you saying "at least Budapest HAS penguins" made it sound like you were counting them in making your vote.
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Example of a "stretch". Besides, I'm not making a vote since I've not been to either of them.
 
Hmm, Zagreb is participating in two breeding programs for endangered mountain voles. And they also have a bunch of nice venomous mountain snakes. And I guess that the olms are countable too. Therefore I'm consider to vote for Zagreb. But before that, can someone familiar with Budapest share what they have to offer?
 
This feels very quiet. Does anyone want to share some of Budapest's strongest exhibit highlights?

It just feels like this match has been completely forgotten about. TB vs PD has 20 votes, and this only has seven?
 
CrashMegaraptor said:
This feels very quiet. Does anyone want to share some of Budapest's strongest exhibit highlights?

It just feels like this match has been completely forgotten about. TB vs PD has 20 votes, and this only has seven?
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I think the problem is that these 2 zoos have been visited far less than most of the others so a lot of people (like me) haven't any idea how to vote
 
Some thoughts but with the caveat that I have only visited Budapest.

I guess Budapest will score slightly better in this category and for two reasons:

- they have some recognisable mammal species in this category: Barbary sheep, Chilean Chinchilla, Chinese dhole, East Bolivian Highland Yellow-toothed cavy, European Mouflon, Mongolian Gerbil, Nepalese red panda, Shensi Takin, and to a some extent also Siberian Pallas Cat, New Guinea Ground Cuscus, Southern Pudu and Tasmanian Wombat.

- both iconic Great and Small Rock (1909-1912) allude perfectly to the “mountains” theme, with an altitude of 34 and 22m respectively. I think they are underrated, whereas they are imposing structures that dominate the central part of the zoo. There are several wikipedia pages that pay a lot of attention to them, and I think that is completely justified: the winding paths around and over these rock formations are very enjoyable, and the large trees and the greenery in general on the slopes contribute very much to the atmosphere. Together with the few emblematic buildings, these rocks are for me the essence of Budapest Zoo, much more than the (large) collections. They belong to the same category as the ones in Vincennes and Hamburg. Should the zoo ever have the resources to give the areas around both rocks a thorough update, there are unbridled opportunities to turn them into something great. That is not the case now, as in many places in the zoo, the enclosures are rather dusty and somewhat neglected.

Zagreb on the other hand has less known mammals in this category but both voles are certainly a great bonus.

These categories are not a stronghold for birds : both have Kea and Griffon vulture as true mountain specialist. Budapest : Mountain quail (quite rare in European collections), and to a certain extent: Maronon pigeon, Hooded crow, Common hill myna.
Zagreb : Variable hawk and Ural owl.

Zagreb's reptile and amphian collections look massive, and although I have too little knowledge, it seems to have a lot of mountain specialist: Lake Patzcuaro salamander, Alpine crested newt, Mangshan pitviper, Ethiopean mountain adder, Central Turkish mountain adder,

I vote 3:2 in favor of Budapest, because both rocks are the deciding factor.
 
Philipine eagle said:
Zagreb's reptile and amphian collections look massive, and although I have too little knowledge, it seems to have a lot of mountain specialist: Lake Patzcuaro salamander, Alpine crested newt, Mangshan pitviper, Ethiopean mountain adder, Central Turkish mountain adder,
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Not forgetting the small matter of their olms.... ;)


CrashMegaraptor said:
This feels very quiet. Does anyone want to share some of Budapest's strongest exhibit highlights?

It just feels like this match has been completely forgotten about. TB vs PD has 20 votes, and this only has seven?
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pipaluk said:
I think the problem is that these 2 zoos have been visited far less than most of the others so a lot of people (like me) haven't any idea how to vote
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All of the Budapest matches have been damp squibs to some extent or other - which is something of a surprise as this wasn't the case in previous Cups! I suspect part of the problem is that a) a lot of the members who have visited the collection and participated in prior Cups have either left the forum or severely reduced their presence and b) a decent number of the Budapest visitors who are still active on the forum haven't been participating in the cup.

Perhaps I should have dropped Budapest in favour of Hamburg after all ...
 
Philipine eagle said:
Definitely not, but apparently off show according to ZTL due to remodeling of their enclosure. But maybe that report is outdated.

Does anyone know why they are so rare in captivity?
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Well, even if that is still the case the fact they keep several individuals offshow (there's only ever been one female onshow) is nonetheless valid for consideration!

I would tend to suggest their captive rarity is equal parts due to a lack of interest by collections, generally more delicate requirements, and a lack of all that much husbandry knowledge.
 
A very quiet match, but one which ensured that Budapest left the Cup with at least one win:

Zagreb - 23/50 points - 46.000%
Budapest - 27/50 points - 54.000%

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