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Some sad news from today - one of the pumas from CST recently rehomed at WildSide Exotic Rescue has been put down today. :( He was darted to assess an old injury which was causing him a lot of pain, and the decision was made to PTS - apparently both vets present said it was the worst break they had ever seen, and it had clearly been left untreated for quite some time. Very sad and utterly sickening frankly.

On a brighter note the other seven pumas at the same location are said to be settling in very well and will soon be moving from their present temporary accomodation to new, larger enclosures.
 
Sand Cat said:
Some sad news from today - one of the pumas from CST recently rehomed at WildSide Exotic Rescue has been put down today. :( He was darted to assess an old injury which was causing him a lot of pain, and the decision was made to PTS - apparently both vets present said it was the worst break they had ever seen, and it had clearly been left untreated for quite some time. Very sad and utterly sickening frankly.

On a brighter note the other seven pumas at the same location are said to be settling in very well and will soon be moving from their present temporary accomodation to new, larger enclosures.
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Poor thing looks like that was Kitkat the puma they featured on one of their other videos with the fused elbow? He's the cat pictured by the former volunteer upthread talking about enclosure standards I believe if so. Ironic.

How sad and cruel to leave it untreated like that (that xray speaks more than for itself), but it was also good to see the other side of that care and the positive homes these cats can have in captivity with the swift action at Wildside exotic rescue. At least he was well cared for in his final days.
 
Sand Cat said:
Some better news is that Tropiquaria are now intending to keep the Bobcat they agreed to house 'temporarily', and an appeal for donations online has been a great success! The plan is to upgrade an existing enclosure for him which currently houses some elderly Raccoon Dogs; these will be re-homed elsewhere at the zoo.

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountr...LF3SmIW74zYOm68jFg_aem_0XrRTxiQkToDz8pNp6ytqA
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Yes - it is such a crying shame that the public wont donate to conservation projects, but will do so for rescues - flies the face of what zoos are supposed to be doing AND legally have to do...
 
Lafone said:
Poor thing looks like that was Kitkat the puma they featured on one of their other videos with the fused elbow? He's the cat pictured by the former volunteer upthread talking about enclosure standards I believe if so. Ironic.

How sad and cruel to leave it untreated like that (that xray speaks more than for itself), but it was also good to see the other side of that care and the positive homes these cats can have in captivity with the swift action at Wildside exotic rescue. At least he was well cared for in his final days.
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I saw this post yesterday and was really upset to see another animal destroyed due to Terry's ill treatment, at least now the surviving animals will be looked after. This should have been dealt with 20 years ago when I reported the problems. I wasn't happy before this but my hands were tied. The family were proud about his charity and donated large amounts of money, especially for the rain forest in Argentina, however he never purchased this land.
 
GaryA said:
I could not agree with you LESS.

People having compassion for a maltreated animal and wanting it to have a good life is a bad thing?
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Whether you agree or not has no impact on the law, and what zoos HAVE to do.
The FACT is, that zoos have a legal responsibility to undertaken conservation projects, be they at home in house, ex-situ or in-situ - sometimes potentially using the new EAZA policy of population control by euthanasia.
In the same way, Zoos do NOT have to act as rescue centres. Some may position themselves in this way, often for short-term financial gain or media coverage - but that is their choice.
 
Roz Moore said:
The family were proud about his charity and donated large amounts of money, especially for the rain forest in Argentina, however he never purchased this land.
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He alluded to such a “reserve” when I met him. Are you saying no such place existed? If so, where did all the funds/donations go for it? Because it seems they never went towards the cats!
 
Panthera1981 said:
He alluded to such a “reserve” when I met him. Are you saying no such place existed? If so, where did all the funds/donations go for it? Because it seems they never went towards the cats!
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He was doing this for at lest 25 years he had a map in his "farm shop" which illustrated where it was , I'm sorry but no prison sentence,no reputation from his lies . And not to mention the blatant negligence on his part !!! Of the treatment and welfare of these animals. If he is allowed anywhere near that site again is an injustice!!!
 
Panthera1981 said:
He alluded to such a “reserve” when I met him. Are you saying no such place existed? If so, where did all the funds/donations go for it? Because it seems they never went towards the cats!
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The rain forest does exist, but Terry Moore didn't own it or pay for it. We contacted them directly 20 years ago and they confirmed Terry did NOT purchase the land. So where did all the money raised go. We shall see.
 
polarbear said:
Article on rescue of cats

'Saving caged big cats in Welwyn was a race against time'
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Good article pleased to see this is still current. Still trying to trace where all the donations for the supposed purchase of the rain forest went, but I think we all know where the money went. Certainly not on the poor animals housed there. I repeat we tried to stop this over 20 years ago, no one would listen, it should never have come to this. Still waiting to see what the charities commission is doing too......
 
I would love to speak to Roz as I'm sure there's a lot of things we could expose about the place. In terms of the 'Race against time' article. Well don't believe everything you read. It's amazing what a bit of publicity and money can do to change minds. The organisations involved in rescuing were asked by numerous people and authorities to help re-home the animals after the 'not' a Dr was initially arrested two years ago. They point blank refused. The only interested parties were tiny wildlife parks, and they didn't receive any money or publicity and didn't want it. Just goes to show what's important to Zoos or so called Sanctuaries. It just carries on from the 'lets have cubs and babies because it brings the punters in' it's just a constant trade of animals between zoos. Would we like to be born in a cell, never leave it our entire life then die. Not much of a life hey.
 
Well fair said:
I would love to speak to Roz as I'm sure there's a lot of things we could expose about the place. In terms of the 'Race against time' article. Well don't believe everything you read. It's amazing what a bit of publicity and money can do to change minds. The organisations involved in rescuing were asked by numerous people and authorities to help re-home the animals after the 'not' a Dr was initially arrested two years ago. They point blank refused. The only interested parties were tiny wildlife parks, and they didn't receive any money or publicity and didn't want it. Just goes to show what's important to Zoos or so called Sanctuaries. It just carries on from the 'lets have cubs and babies because it brings the punters in' it's just a constant trade of animals between zoos. Would we like to be born in a cell, never leave it our entire life then die. Not much of a life hey.
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If you believe the conditions and techniques employed in this now closed place are comparable to those in reputable zoos and collections, then I'd suggest you should do some more research.
 
Well fair said:
I would love to speak to Roz as I'm sure there's a lot of things we could expose about the place. In terms of the 'Race against time' article. Well don't believe everything you read. It's amazing what a bit of publicity and money can do to change minds. The organisations involved in rescuing were asked by numerous people and authorities to help re-home the animals after the 'not' a Dr was initially arrested two years ago. They point blank refused. The only interested parties were tiny wildlife parks, and they didn't receive any money or publicity and didn't want it. Just goes to show what's important to Zoos or so called Sanctuaries. It just carries on from the 'lets have cubs and babies because it brings the punters in' it's just a constant trade of animals between zoos. Would we like to be born in a cell, never leave it our entire life then die. Not much of a life hey.
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Hi, terrible situation all round, makes my blood boil every time I see an advert for the RSPCA claiming to protect all animals. They wouldn't listen to us. The Police wouldn't listen to us, and there's a lot more to this. The charities commission wouldn't listen to us. We sat through the Court case, we couldn't believe how badly these poor animals had been treated. And yes I know a lot more.
 
Lafone said:
If you believe the conditions and techniques employed in this now closed place are comparable to those in reputable zoos and collections, then I'd suggest you should do some more research.
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No I believe zoos for the most part are better than that place, I just think that keep breeding animals for a life in captivity is unfair.
 
Well fair said:
No I believe zoos for the most part are better than that place, I just think that keep breeding animals for a life in captivity is unfair.
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It’s an opinion you’re entitled to of course but it’s a contradictory position to have animals in zoos and no captive breeding, particularly for insurance populations and conservation, unless of course you prefer animals to be taken from the wild.

Anyway it is what it is, this collection was grim and the conditions found to be illegal (which you and the other posters here after it’s shut saying you knew all about the cruel conditions for 10 years know better than some of the rest of us). It was never in the same category as reputable collections which is made clear in the first pages of this thread alone.
 
Lafone said:
It’s an opinion you’re entitled to of course but it’s a contradictory position to have animals in zoos and no captive breeding, particularly for insurance populations and conservation, unless of course you prefer animals to be taken from the wild.

Anyway it is what it is, this collection was grim and the conditions found to be illegal (which you and the other posters here after it’s shut saying you knew all about the cruel conditions for 10 years know better than some of the rest of us). It was never in the same category as reputable collections which is made clear in the first pages of this thread alone.
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Of course, you too are entitled to your opinion. The collection in question was reported to multiple authorities over multiple years, but they all wished to sweep it under the carpet, and do nothing about it. As Roz said, reports go back 20 years , but when the authorities that are supposed to help chose to ignore the issue it just fuels a mad man's ego, making him think he's untouchable. Then you see an organisation saying they have swooped in to save the day on T.V just to create publicity and money, when they were already paid to step in, it's extremely disappointing. If they had helped when originally asked maybe some of the animals suffering could have been prevented.
 
Lafone said:
It’s an opinion you’re entitled to of course but it’s a contradictory position to have animals in zoos and no captive breeding, particularly for insurance populations and conservation, unless of course you prefer animals to be taken from the wild.

Anyway it is what it is, this collection was grim and the conditions found to be illegal (which you and the other posters here after it’s shut saying you knew all about the cruel conditions for 10 years know better than some of the rest of us). It was never in the same category as reputable collections which is made clear in the first pages of this thread alone.
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I comment as an individual who visited this place once on an organised visit for ABWAK members.
What I saw then was very comparable to many private collections and 'sanctuaries' of the time, many of which the zoos (including some of the major ones) were very keen to work with by 'placing' their surplus animals with them.
 
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