North American Asian Elephant Population 2025

On the Miami bull (Ongard), he's owned by San Diego so is effectively being loaned to Zoo Miami at the moment as San Diego is focused on the African sub species.

However, it's quite possible that he could be moved elsewhere if a recommendation does arrive. Or, Zoo Miami might decide to acquire some cows for him (but this would be difficult to achieve at the present time).
 
On the Miami bull (Ongard), he's owned by San Diego so is effectively being loaned to Zoo Miami at the moment as San Diego is focused on the African sub species.

However, it's quite possible that he could be moved elsewhere if a recommendation does arrive. Or, Zoo Miami might decide to acquire some cows for him (but this would be difficult to achieve at the present time).


Both African Lion Safari, White Oak, and Houston do have a large population of cows, with many of them still at the age to breed, or will be within the next decade or so.
 
Atlanta Update:

As mentioned on socials, all four elephants are now living together. This includes the recently arrived bull, Titan, from Sedgewick, who's apparently formed a close bond with the zoo's older bull, Msholo.

It's quite interesting that Atlanta have managed to achieve this, as it's unusual to have a number of elephants (with multiple males and females).
 
Im sure Hank and Booper have already met as they would have known each other from their Arkansas days.

While this is a great move, but it is strange to me. Tulsa wants breeding elephants but all of the elephants are non breeding or old? Are they going to eventually transfer some to TES? Just thinking "outloud".
 
Im sure Hank and Booper have already met as they would have known each other from their Arkansas days.

While this is a great move, but it is strange to me. Tulsa wants breeding elephants but all of the elephants are non breeding or old? Are they going to eventually transfer some to TES? Just thinking "outloud".
I'm not sure if they would have been together in Akansas, but it's possible.

With Tulsa, it appears they're just operating with what they're being given at the moment. Having a breeding herd likely isn't possible for now, so they're instead electing to hold a non breeding group in the meantime. Four of their elephants are all a very similar age (Early 50's), so once a number of them pass on they might consider starting to get the nucleus of their next herd in, whether that's females from Houston, White Oak ect.
 
I wonder if Miami may phase out one of their species and end up sticking with either Asian or African Elephants. I would hope that wouldn't be the case since they are still one of only two zoos that house both species, since Mikki and Punch from Louisville were sent to TES.
That would be the ONLY way for zoos to house both elephant breeds for the time coming. I know very little about the African habitat but I'm sure it could use some renovations if they were to house Africans long term. They seem more devoted to Asians so we'll have to wait and see how that pans out. I think Miami and Columbus would be the only zoos in the states with space to house both species in separate geographically accurate habitats.
 
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However, it's quite possible that he could be moved elsewhere if a recommendation does arrive. Or, Zoo Miami might decide to acquire some cows for him (but this would be difficult to achieve at the present time).
I know when Ongard come in 2018 they said they wanted to breed, but that seems up in the air now. I believe if they were to breed in the future, they'd have to greatly expand the indoor and outdoor spaces based on posts I saw on the speculation thread last year.
 
I know when Ongard come in 2018 they said they wanted to breed, but that seems up in the air now. I believe if they were to breed in the future, they'd have to greatly expand the indoor and outdoor spaces based on posts I saw on the speculation thread last year.
...and not based on seeing these facilities firsthand/learning from the keepers?
 
I know when Ongard come in 2018 they said they wanted to breed, but that seems up in the air now. I believe if they were to breed in the future, they'd have to greatly expand the indoor and outdoor spaces based on posts I saw on the speculation thread last year.
To be clear, plans to breed from him were merely the intention in the long term. It's only been seven years since he arrived, and he's still a young bull so time is not against him or Miami.

He's quite a valuable male too in a global perspective - only one of three surviving offspring of his father (a founder) and the only offspring of his mother (also a founder).
 
That would be the ONLY way for zoos to house both elephant breeds for the time coming. I know very little about the African habitat but I'm sure it could use some renovations if they were to house Africans long term. They seem more devoted to Asians so we'll have to wait and see how that pans out. I think Miami and Columbus would be the only zoos in the states with space to house both species in separate geographically accurate habitats.

Both zoos seem to have been going under some major renovations the past few years, so if Miami decides to renovate its exhibits, I wouldn't be surprised. I'll probably head down later this year to check it out, and hopefully find some answers.
 
There is absolutely zero need for Miami to phase out either species. The exhibits are clean across the zoo from each other with zero mixture between the animals. Short of infrasound and *perhaps* the loudest of trumpets or roars, they’re not even within auditory distance of each other.

As for their exhibits… Miami has technically bred both species in the past. As has already been mentioned here, Ongard is an incredibly genetically valuable individual, but he is still very young, only 15 years old. Their Asian exhibit is perfectly capable of holding a small breeding group of at least four adult animals plus dependent calves. The main issue with Miami acquiring more animals is Nelly. She’s coming up on almost 60 years old, and while Miami is technically capable of holding three separate groups of animals, their Asian exhibit really is best suited to holding only two separate groups at most. I would not be surprised to see them hold off on any new acquisitions of Asian elephants until Nelly passes away, which realistically, will most likely be at some point within the next 10 years.

As for Africans, the United States is in the very unique position of having the 14 recently imported Swaziland cows, all of whom, barring one, are proven breeders. While I doubt we will see any further splitting from Fresno or Dallas for the foreseeable future, Sedgwick and Omaha are both primed, and probably wanting, to offload cows as their breeding success as taken off. Given that Miami only has the two geriatric African cows, I would not be at all surprised to see them either offload them to a retirement facility, which Miami has essentially been functioning as so far, or simply retaining them while still bringing in a mother/calf pair at some point in the next few years. Given the fact that both cows are coming up on 50 years old, they statistically will both be deceased within the next 10 years as well. It would be pushing it if they did end up living for that full 10 years or slightly exceeding it, but conceivably it would be no issue for Miami to hold off on any further breeding until those two pass away, before bringing in a mature bull to breed, which at that point, there would be several of in the states.
 
That would be the ONLY way for zoos to house both elephant breeds for the time coming. I know very little about the African habitat but I'm sure it could use some renovations if they were to house Africans long term. They seem more devoted to Asians so we'll have to wait and see how that pans out. I think Miami and Columbus would be the only zoos in the states with space to house both species in separate geographically accurate habitats.
When does the Columbus Zoo plan on housing African Elephants again? I know there is the concern of the Elephant endotheliotropic herpesviruses (EEHV) that could spread between the two species, but it might change as a Vaccine is being developed.
 
When does the Columbus Zoo plan on housing African Elephants again? I know there is the concern of the Elephant endotheliotropic herpesviruses (EEHV) that could spread between the two species, but it might change as a Vaccine is being developed.
Columbus getting African elephants again doesn't make sense - elephants are expensive in general, especially with Columbus actively building up a herd of Asian elephants and going through the time and effort with importing Johnson from ALS.
 
Colombus Zoo getting Africans is not happening. They are not set up for it. The entire elephant facility is built for an Asian breeding herd.

Unless they are having some at the Wildlands, but I highly doubt it. Too dangerous for vehicles to drive through with elephants roaming through the pastures.

Other than that, I have not seen any press releases about it.

Miami a big maybe down the road but again no press releases.
 
When does the Columbus Zoo plan on housing African Elephants again? I know there is the concern of the Elephant endotheliotropic herpesviruses (EEHV) that could spread between the two species, but it might change as a Vaccine is being developed.

EEHV already happens in the wild. I am fairly convinced it is not about the species with the research I have seen. It is possible for elephants to expose the young ones to the virus no matter what the species are.
 
EEHV already happens in the wild. I am fairly convinced it is not about the species with the research I have seen. It is possible for elephants to expose the young ones to the virus no matter what the species are.
I made the same assumption on this thread a week ago and then Yassa corrected me with the same answer ZZChip just made. Research seems to now have shown that indeed EEHV is now in wild populations and has nothing to do with mixing the two elephant species in the same enclosure.
 
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